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[Steelcan]

LessThanKate wrote....

. I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

[Rudy Lis]

Steelcan wrote...
 I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

But she trusted Udina whom she disliked, no? And she defended him agains Shepard, despite witnessing how often Udina threw sand in Shepard's wheels. And all what can change her position is your visits. Hm.

[iSousek]

Steelcan wrote...

LessThanKate wrote....

. I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

Why not?
Beside Shepard, I mean.

[Steelcan]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

But she trusted Udina whom she disliked, no? And she defended him agains Shepard, despite witnessing how often Udina threw sand in Shepard's wheels. And all what can change her position is your visits. Hm.

. She trusted Udina because she's not exactly a genius, Kaiden s no better, she distrusts just about everyone in the universe

[Steelcan]

iSousek wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

LessThanKate wrote....

. I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

Why not?
Beside Shepard, I mean.

How many aliens does flat out say that she likes? Only one that I know of, and it's Tali

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

But she trusted Udina whom she disliked, no? And she defended him agains Shepard, despite witnessing how often Udina threw sand in Shepard's wheels. And all what can change her position is your visits. Hm.

. She trusted Udina because she's not exactly a genius, Kaiden s no better, she distrusts just about everyone in the universe

She trusted Udina because he always wanted the good of humanity, even if he was willing to be a total politician.  Even more than TIM, Udina was always fighting for humanity's place in the galaxy.  No reason to think he'd be behind the coup.

[iSousek]

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

LessThanKate wrote....

. I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

Why not?
Beside Shepard, I mean.

How many aliens does flat out say that she likes? Only one that I know of, and it's Tali

Considering how they interact in ME1 and ME 3, I don't think she has any problem with Garrus and Wrex (beside the first 5 mins of ME 1). And we don't really see any of her interactions with others like Mordin or Thane (thank BW for that)

EDIT: I don't think that she trusted or distrusted Udina in ME 3. The same way I didn't arbitrarily trust him or distrust him. She was just doing her job.
Again, we don't really see how she interacts with others, so shaying that in ME 3 she distrusts everybody is just simplifying thigs

Modifié par iSousek, 31 août 2012 - 06:42 .

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

But she trusted Udina whom she disliked, no? And she defended him agains Shepard, despite witnessing how often Udina threw sand in Shepard's wheels. And all what can change her position is your visits. Hm.

. She trusted Udina because she's not exactly a genius, Kaiden s no better, she distrusts just about everyone in the universe

She trusted Udina because he always wanted the good of humanity, even if he was willing to be a total politician.  Even more than TIM, Udina was always fighting for humanity's place in the galaxy.  No reason to think he'd be behind the coup.

. Udina fought for himself, Ashley was there in ME she should know that

[Steelcan]

iSousek wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

LessThanKate wrote....

. I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

Why not?
Beside Shepard, I mean.

How many aliens does flat out say that she likes? Only one that I know of, and it's Tali

Considering how they interact in ME1 and ME 3, I don't think she has any problem with Garrus and Wrex (beside the first 5 mins of ME 1). And we don't really see any of her interactions with others like Mordin or Thane (thank BW for that)

she wants to kill Wrex on Virmire!  How does she get along with him?

[iSousek]

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

LessThanKate wrote....

. I doubt Ashley would hook up with an alien

Why not?
Beside Shepard, I mean.

How many aliens does flat out say that she likes? Only one that I know of, and it's Tali

Considering how they interact in ME1 and ME 3, I don't think she has any problem with Garrus and Wrex (beside the first 5 mins of ME 1). And we don't really see any of her interactions with others like Mordin or Thane (thank BW for that)

she wants to kill Wrex on Virmire!  How does she get along with him?

She doesn't want to kill Wrex. Do you know the differents between wanting to kill someone and killing someone to protect superior officer/close friend? Also, Shepard basically tells her to kill him if things get out of control. Again, blaming Ashley is an example of simplifying what really happened.

[Steelcan]

iSousek wrote...

.   She distrusts Liara, Garrus, Wrex, is neutral on Tali until ME3, calling her slightly xenophobic is reasonable.  She also does not suggest talking to Wrex, she will however gun him down.  Not exactly a friendly attitude

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

.   She distrusts Liara, Garrus, Wrex, is neutral on Tali until ME3, calling her slightly xenophobic is reasonable.  She also does not suggest talking to Wrex, she will however gun him down.  Not exactly a friendly attitude

She doesn't trust them because they're different political affiliations that won't have the Alliances back if things go south.

Which they didn't.

She's not xenophobic, she has a proper understanding of intergalactic politics.  She doesn't like cerberus either.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

.   She distrusts Liara, Garrus, Wrex, is neutral on Tali until ME3, calling her slightly xenophobic is reasonable.  She also does not suggest talking to Wrex, she will however gun him down.  Not exactly a friendly attitude

She doesn't trust them because they're different political affiliations that won't have the Alliances back if things go south.

Which they didn't.

She's not xenophobic, she has a proper understanding of intergalactic politics.  She doesn't like cerberus either.

.  She flat out says they shouldn't be given free reign because they are aliens, not human

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

.   She distrusts Liara, Garrus, Wrex, is neutral on Tali until ME3, calling her slightly xenophobic is reasonable.  She also does not suggest talking to Wrex, she will however gun him down.  Not exactly a friendly attitude

She doesn't trust them because they're different political affiliations that won't have the Alliances back if things go south.

Which they didn't.

She's not xenophobic, she has a proper understanding of intergalactic politics.  She doesn't like cerberus either.

.  She flat out says they shouldn't be given free reign because they are aliens, not human

Yup from other planets.  Other cultures.  And when trouble comes, they'll gladly sacrifice humanity for their own good.

Do I need to diagram the bear/dog analogy again?

FYI: Humanity is the dog in the analogy, if you don't know that, you're doing it wrong.

[Obvakhi]

Steelcan wrote...
.  She flat out says they shouldn't be given free reign because they are aliens, not human

Why do you have a period at the beginning of all your posts?

Modifié par Obvakhi, 31 août 2012 - 07:01 .

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

iSousek wrote...

.   She distrusts Liara, Garrus, Wrex, is neutral on Tali until ME3, calling her slightly xenophobic is reasonable.  She also does not suggest talking to Wrex, she will however gun him down.  Not exactly a friendly attitude

She doesn't trust them because they're different political affiliations that won't have the Alliances back if things go south.
Which they didn't.
She's not xenophobic, she has a proper understanding of intergalactic politics.  She doesn't like cerberus either.

.  She flat out says they shouldn't be given free reign because they are aliens, not human

Yup from other planets.  Other cultures.  And when trouble comes, they'll gladly sacrifice humanity for their own good.
Do I need to diagram the bear/dog analogy again?
FYI: Humanity is the dog in the analogy, if you don't know that, you're doing it wrong.

. I doubt Wrex would sacrifice Alliance interests for the Krogan, he has given up on them.  Liara has no affiliation with the Adari government, and Garrus has no love lost for Turian hierarchy command

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...Yup from other planets.  Other cultures.  And when trouble comes, they'll gladly sacrifice humanity for their own good.
Do I need to diagram the bear/dog analogy again?
FYI: Humanity is the dog in the analogy, if you don't know that, you're doing it wrong.

. I doubt Wrex would sacrifice Alliance interests for the Krogan, he has given up on them.  Liara has no affiliation with the Adari government, and Garrus has no love lost for Turian hierarchy command

Well, Ashely doesn't know them at that point (Liara may not even be on the ship when you have that convo, so I'm omitting her).  They're simply avatars of their species.

Wrex (Krogan) won't help you fight the Reapers unless you cure the genophage.
Garrus (turians) won't help you unless you get them Krogan support first.
And Tali (Quarians) won't help you unless you win their war for them.

Their own kind comes first for them.  Which is fine, but that's the point Ashley is making.

And Tali totally steals tech from the normandy, check the OP.

Ashley=prophet.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...Yup from other planets.  Other cultures.  And when trouble comes, they'll gladly sacrifice humanity for their own good.
Do I need to diagram the bear/dog analogy again?
FYI: Humanity is the dog in the analogy, if you don't know that, you're doing it wrong.

. I doubt Wrex would sacrifice Alliance interests for the Krogan, he has given up on them.  Liara has no affiliation with the Adari government, and Garrus has no love lost for Turian hierarchy command

Well, Ashely doesn't know them at that point (Liara may not even be on the ship when you have that convo, so I'm omitting her).  They're simply avatars of their species.
Wrex (Krogan) won't help you fight the Reapers unless you cure the genophage.
Garrus (turians) won't help you unless you get them Krogan support first.
And Tali (Quarians) won't help you unless you win their war for them.
Their own kind comes first for them.  Which is fine, but that's the point Ashley is making.
And Tali totally steals tech from the normandy, check the OP.
Ashley=prophet.

. When Liara suggests melding minds Ashley flips out.  Wrex in ME does not care about the Krogan, he's not the leader yer.  Garrus as well,  he's not really important in ME

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

Well, Ashely doesn't know them at that point (Liara may not even be on the ship when you have that convo, so I'm omitting her).  They're simply avatars of their species.
Wrex (Krogan) won't help you fight the Reapers unless you cure the genophage.
Garrus (turians) won't help you unless you get them Krogan support first.
And Tali (Quarians) won't help you unless you win their war for them.
Their own kind comes first for them.  Which is fine, but that's the point Ashley is making.
And Tali totally steals tech from the normandy, check the OP.
Ashley=prophet.

. When Liara suggests melding minds Ashley flips out.  Wrex in ME does not care about the Krogan, he's not the leader yer.  Garrus as well,  he's not really important in ME

At least respond to what I write.  I'll restate:
"Ashely doesn't know them at that point (Liara may not even be on the ship when you have that convo, so I'm omitting her). They're simply avatars of their species."
She's simply pointing out that ultimately, the aliens on board will choose their own species over their human allies.
And she's 2/3 right easily (Tali/Wrex).  Remember, the Normandy was a new prototype, she had every reason in the world to want to keep the plans from getting out.

As for the mind meld, ummmm, yeah.  She's protective of shepard and that could damage him, just like the beacon did.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...
At least respond to what I write.  I'll restate:
"Ashely doesn't know them at that point (Liara may not even be on the ship when you have that convo, so I'm omitting her). They're simply avatars of their species."
She's simply pointing out that ultimately, the aliens on board will choose their own species over their human allies.
And she's 2/3 right easily (Tali/Wrex).  Remember, the Normandy was a new prototype, she had every reason in the world to want to keep the plans from getting out.

As for the mind meld, ummmm, yeah.  She's protective of shepard and that could damage him, just like the beacon did.

. I disagree on Wrex.  And it's completely impossible the quarians came up with that tech? (unlikely but not impossible). And Ashley seems to be more than just protecting Shepard, she is very antagonistic in this scene

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...
At least respond to what I write.  I'll restate:
"Ashely doesn't know them at that point (Liara may not even be on the ship when you have that convo, so I'm omitting her). They're simply avatars of their species."
She's simply pointing out that ultimately, the aliens on board will choose their own species over their human allies.
And she's 2/3 right easily (Tali/Wrex).  Remember, the Normandy was a new prototype, she had every reason in the world to want to keep the plans from getting out.

As for the mind meld, ummmm, yeah.  She's protective of shepard and that could damage him, just like the beacon did.

. I disagree on Wrex.  And it's completely impossible the quarians came up with that tech? (unlikely but not impossible). And Ashley seems to be more than just protecting Shepard, she is very antagonistic in this scene

Liara is the daughter of a traitor who now wants to poke around in her commanding officer's head.  I can understand a big of antagonism.

Wrex is completely willing to let Earth burn until you cure the genophage.  He has no problems with it.  Ashley was right about him.

I'm not criticizing him, I know why he wanted that, but Ashley was right about him.

[Steelcan]

[quote]krukow wrote...
[quote]Steelcan wrote...
[quote]krukow wrote...
At least respond to what I write.  I'll restate:
"Ashely doesn't know them at that point (Liara may not even be on the ship when you have that convo, so I'm omitting her). They're simply avatars of their species."
She's simply pointing out that ultimately, the aliens on board will choose their own species over their human allies.
And she's 2/3 right easily (Tali/Wrex).  Remember, the Normandy was a new prototype, she had every reason in the world to want to keep the plans from getting out.
As for the mind meld, ummmm, yeah.  She's protective of shepard and that could damage him, just like the beacon did.[/quote]. I disagree on Wrex.  And it's completely impossible the quarians came up with that tech? (unlikely but not impossible). And Ashley seems to be more than just protecting Shepard, she is very antagonistic in this scene
Liara is the daughter of a traitor who now wants to poke around in her commanding officer's head.  I can understand a big of antagonism.
Wrex is completely willing to let Earth burn until you cure the genophage.  He has no problems with it.  Ashley was right about him.

I'm not criticizing him, I know why he wanted that, but Ashley was right about him.[/quote]. In the context of ME1 Wrex does not care about the Krogan, he makes this very clear

[Steelcan]

Ashley was not right about Wrex or Garrus or Liara, and possibly Tali

[krukow]

Steelcan wrote...

Ashley was not right about Wrex or Garrus or Liara, and possibly Tali

Wrex will not help you till he gets his cure.
Ash-1 you-0

Tali won't join up until you win her war.
Ash-2 you-0

And, using what I said earlier about Ashley not knowing Garrus, just seeing him as a turian
The turians will not help you until you get the Krogan help
Ash-3 you-0.5 (half a point because Garrus would have joined up)


The whole plot of ME3 is going around the galaxy solving everyone else's problems so they'll unite to save the galaxy.  Everyone is content to let their neighbors burn until they solve their own problems.  The exact thing Ash says will happen.  The EXACT thing.

Ashley-55 you-10 (stole that from a lopsided superbowl).
Ashley is a prophet.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Ashley was not right about Wrex or Garrus or Liara, and possibly Tali

Wrex will not help you till he gets his cure.
Ash-1 you-0
Tali won't join up until you win her war.
Ash-2 you-0
And, using what I said earlier about Ashley not knowing Garrus, just seeing him as a turian
The turians will not help you until you get the Krogan help
Ash-3 you-0.5 (half a point because Garrus would have joined up)
The whole plot of ME3 is going around the galaxy solving everyone else's problems so they'll unite to save the galaxy.  Everyone is content to let their neighbors burn until they solve their own problems.  The exact thing Ash says will happen.  The EXACT thing.

Ashley-55 you-10 (stole that from a lopsided superbowl).
Ashley is a prophet.

.  What part of Mass Effect 1 did you not understand?