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Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!


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jeweledleah wrote...

what is wrong with the bun? I loved that bun on Ashley, it was a little loose, like she put her hair up carelessly and in a hurry, but at the same time it was so very much a practical get to the point Ashley.

I'm not sure how being a spectre suddenly removes that practical part of her personality.

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Indeed.  The long hair looks good.  But notice it's obsuring her left eye.  That can't be practical for combat...

Now on the Normandy, I say go for it!

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iakus wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

what is wrong with the bun? I loved that bun on Ashley, it was a little loose, like she put her hair up carelessly and in a hurry, but at the same time it was so very much a practical get to the point Ashley.

I'm not sure how being a spectre suddenly removes that practical part of her personality.


Indeed.  The long hair looks good.  But notice it's obsuring her left eye.  That can't be practical for combat...

Now on the Normandy, I say go for it!

 

pfft what are you talking about Ashley uses the very sound of  her awesome to echo-locate and find her targets she does not need to  'See' it to kill it.

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*sigh* Did we get Ashley in armor yet or was that more smoke from Chud being blown up our collective...?

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Pax was about femshep so no other characters got anything new. No one, which means Ashley didn't. The game is half a year away so there'splaetny of time for new Ashley pics so chill.

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 Sadly, nothing yet.:(

No comment on the smoke :mellow:

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ADLegend21 wrote...

I'm not too cracked up about the bun toggle. I'm all for the helmet keepingher hair out of her face, but the Bun just seems too "ME1"-ish with Spectre Ashley.


I must disagree; the bun and Ash are inseperable. Just like Gianna's bun =]

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If there actually is a bun toggle maybe she'll wear it in a different style from ME1 to keep with the whole "I'm a Spectre now" vibe. By the way, is that symbol on her suit the Spectre logo?

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Bun or no bun, I don't care. After not having her in ME2 (*clicks heels* Horizon never happened, Horizon never happened*clicks heels*) I would take her naked on the field.

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PMC65 wrote...

Bun or no bun, I don't care. After not having her in ME2 (*clicks heels* Horizon never happened, Horizon never happened*clicks heels*) I would take her naked on the field.

That came out wrong ... Posted Image

Or did it?^_^

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Pax was about femshep so no other characters got anything new. No one, which means Ashley didn't. The game is half a year away so there'splaetny of time for new Ashley pics so chill.


Looking at my tweets to Hudson (I don't have a list here) I see that he made a tweet on July 6th asking us what new pics we wanted to see.  Actually I'll post the actual tweet:

For the next set of #MassEffect3screenshots, what are you hoping to see most? Ashley in armor? A first look at James Vega? Something else?


Some time later he acknowledged the desire to see Ashley in armor and, I believe, made a statement that that's what we'll see next.  September's a few days from now and still nothing, but we've been given new screenshots since that tweet.  My question is: what gives?  Either his statement was bunk or he actually meant for it to happen.  So far it's looking like the former.  I, for one, will hold him to his statement because I'm interested in buying his product.  I want to be sure that there is something to keep my interest and that entails keeping to the core of a character that is getting/got a new writer.  If that can't happen then I will not buy.

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To go back to an older post... (sorry for bringing it back up, but I wasn't here when topics were switched)


ADLegend21 wrote...

@Reed Ashley CAN rally a species, she can rally the Alliance. I can see alot fo the brass besides Hackett and Anderson being short and mistrusting with Shepard and leaving her out to dry when she needs them, then Ashley standing at her side and getting them on Shepard's "team" so to speak. With Shepard out of the picture Ashley is the best thing the Alliance has going so she can rally them if need be. Kaidan too. Tehy're both career marines so they msut have a ton of pull now since they're Spectre's. Hell they could rally the Spectre's, which would be amazing.


Good luck rallying the alliance or the humans.... they're kinda busy being wiped out by the reapers fighting for Earth. Doesn't their fleet practically get obliterated? 

And as for rallying the spectres... there aren't so many as to make a huge difference I wouldn't think. Think of them like jedi... unless they have battle meditation... a few hundred (or however many there are) aren't going to completely change the tide of war. 




jeweledleah wrote...

what is wrong with the bun? I loved that bun on Ashley, it was a little loose, like she put her hair up carelessly and in a hurry, but at the same time it was so very much a practical get to the point Ashley.

I'm not sure how being a spectre suddenly removes that practical part of her personality.


I absolutely agree! And, in fact, I loved the look of her bun and wanted to use it on my femshep rather than those poor excuses for buns that we got in the CC. 

She looked absolutely amazing in ME1 :wub::wub: ... so I fail to see how that's a crime. 

As for the new hair, I love the look of it as well and actually wanted to see some hairdown!Ash ... either way, the main thing is... as long as Ash is back... it really doesn't matter.

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I like her hair down. It looks so good she should do a shampoo commercial.

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PMC65 wrote...

Bun or no bun, I don't care. After not having her in ME2 (*clicks heels* Horizon never happened, Horizon never happened*clicks heels*) I would take her naked on the field.

That came out wrong ... Posted Image

 


Horizon was understandable but very poorly written ,  its rather emotionally jarring to  see some you loved dearly, some one you watched die,  you buried, you grieved and you found closer.  To walk up to you and say high opens up even most old and well healed wounds.   They messed up  basing the whole conversation around Cerberus and then  making it so short. I  was rather dissappointed.    That being said -  Hopefully I get  the kinda of conversation that  Shepard and Ashley  deserved in the ME 3.  

And yes I would take  naked  on a feild, in a feild....

oh  that came out a lot worst   :bandit:

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nitefyre410 wrote...

pfft what are you talking about Ashley uses the very sound of  her awesome to echo-locate and find her targets she does not need to  'See' it to kill it.



No, see ME2 taught Ashley that her universe does not, in fact, rely on practicality. She saw Miranda wearing high heels, Jack wearing almost nothing at all, so she just said hey, I can let my hair down!

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StaffSgt. Dignam wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

pfft what are you talking about Ashley uses the very sound of  her awesome to echo-locate and find her targets she does not need to  'See' it to kill it.



No, see ME2 taught Ashley that her universe does not, in fact, rely on practicality. She saw Miranda wearing high heels, Jack wearing almost nothing at all, so she just said hey, I can let my hair down!

 


Gaint -  Talking  -   Robotic - Space - Squids. AKA   Reapers

its all I have to say

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Only part of Mass Effect 2 I didn't care for was the lack of Ash, however Mass Effect 3 is solving that problem. I can't wait till this comes out, have played both Mass Effect 1 + 2 so many times. Support Ash LI 110%

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jason9880 wrote...

I like her hair down. It looks so good she should do a shampoo commercial.

I was thinking of making a statement about what shampoo and conditioner Ashley has been using too.

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jreezy wrote...

jason9880 wrote...

I like her hair down. It looks so good she should do a shampoo commercial.

I was thinking of making a statement about what shampoo and conditioner Ashley has been using too.


Funny, I did make a statement like that in another thread:

"Renegon brand shampoo and conditioner:  When you just gotta look your best blasting Cerberus goons!" Posted Image

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iakus wrote...

jreezy wrote...

jason9880 wrote...

I like her hair down. It looks so good she should do a shampoo commercial.

I was thinking of making a statement about what shampoo and conditioner Ashley has been using too.


Funny, I did make a statement like that in another thread:

"Renegon brand shampoo and conditioner:  When you just gotta look your best blasting Cerberus goons!" Posted Image

Nice! Ashley and Miranda should have a hair face off in Mass Effect 3.

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Ash doing a shampoo Advertisement? I'm like so totally seeing a slow motion hair flip.

I hope the hair isn't going to a problem. I don't want Shepard and crew waiting for Ashley to finish straightening her hair. Now I'm no expert on long hair like that...but damn it must be hard to maintain. lol

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MegaBadExample wrote...

Ash doing a shampoo Advertisement? I'm like so totally seeing a slow motion hair flip.

I hope the hair isn't going to a problem. I don't want Shepard and crew waiting for Ashley to finish straightening her hair. Now I'm no expert on long hair like that...but damn it must be hard to maintain. lol


I know!!!

I totally already suggested that they have a mini cut-scene where Shep and Ash have just finished killin some reaper goons and then Shep turns to Ash to tell her well done or w/e and then she removes her helmet and .... BAM! ... slow motion shiny hair flip! hahahaha!!!

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"I'll have what she's having."

^_^

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jeweledleah wrote...

what is wrong with the bun? I loved that bun on Ashley, it was a little loose, like she put her hair up carelessly and in a hurry, but at the same time it was so very much a practical get to the point Ashley.

I'm not sure how being a spectre suddenly removes that practical part of her personality.


I'm not too up to date on what's been revealed so far, (trying to avoid spoilers), but maybe the reason her hair is down in the action scenes we've seen is because she wasn't expecting combat? I'm assuming that her first appearance in game is during Shepard's trial right? So since the Reapers sneak attack Earth she probably didn't have time to fix up her hair properly and just jumped into the action.

Maybe her in the jacket, hair down appearance is her noncombat zone look, like her Alliance gear in the first game, and during missions she'll be decked out more appropriately.
At least, I hope so any way. Miranda's outfit always irked me for that very reason.:P

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Mike2640 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

what is wrong with the bun? I loved that bun on Ashley, it was a little loose, like she put her hair up carelessly and in a hurry, but at the same time it was so very much a practical get to the point Ashley.

I'm not sure how being a spectre suddenly removes that practical part of her personality.


I'm not too up to date on what's been revealed so far, (trying to avoid spoilers), but maybe the reason her hair is down in the action scenes we've seen is because she wasn't expecting combat? I'm assuming that her first appearance in game is during Shepard's trial right? So since the Reapers sneak attack Earth she probably didn't have time to fix up her hair properly and just jumped into the action.

Maybe her in the jacket, hair down appearance is her noncombat zone look, like her Alliance gear in the first game, and during missions she'll be decked out more appropriately.
At least, I hope so any way. Miranda's outfit always irked me for that very reason.:P


Good point, Shepard and Anderson aren't in combat gear during that demo, either.

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I really don't know who's side I'm on when it comes to this whole 'Ashley redesign' thing.

On the one hand, I think she looks great on a pure aesthetical level. She's a beautiful woman, and far be it from me to suggest that a sexy and beautiful woman is automatically disqualified from the ranks of 'badassery' because of it. Plus I remind myself how happy I was when I first saw Ashley's picture in that magazine, enough that I didn't even care how she looked, because it meant that she was actually back. This was the first lot of good news VS fans had recieved in almost one and a half years and I always feel bad when I think about how much hostility got generated by it.
I don't want to appear like I'm spitting in the face of the one good thing Ashley fans have been handed in so long.

On the other hand I do have issues with how women get sexualized in our media, especially in gaming media. I object to the fact that there seems to be a written rule that every female character 'must' be hyper sexy in our media, especially when the rule certainly doesn't have to apply to males (it can happen, but there's no requirement) and yes, it does bother me that they opted to make Ashley into a more sexual image like that.
It does actually genuienly annoy me that the one female character who was just attractive in an ordinary believable human way was redesigned into a bombastic space vixen.
Given my long record of bad mouthing other characters like Miranda for being overly sexualized, defending or justifying the recreating of Ashley would make me feel like a hypocrite.

So it becomes a choice between being happy with the good stuff and feel like I'm sacrificing my principles in the process, or hold onto my principles and values and get to feel like I'm spoiling something I should be happy about.

I just have no idea which side I should stand with on this issue. Because I love and hate this whole situation so much on an almost equal level. The closest I've come to a resolution so far has been simply 'acceptance'.
Meaning that I neither condemn nor condone the decision to change Ashley's appearance, but have to deal with the fact that it is how it is no matter what. I am forcing myself to become neutral in this regard, so that I can, hopefully, keep both my principles and my joy at her return going on in equal levels.

If nothing else, no matter how she looks... I'm just glad she's back.

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