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[Dragon_Claw]

Im writing from a laptop in my class. When I got home, I´ll upload 2 ME1 screenshots, if Data wants to write some dialogue to them.

Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 05 septembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[Igib]

She can definitely be a soldier and still look like a woman. The problem is, like Data pointed out, about "the essence." They simply took the only real woman in ME and turn her into another $2 wh0re. Why? We already got Miranda for that. The reason behind the change is missing. But hey, some moron thought it would soooo cool, so they did it.

Modifié par Igib, 05 septembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Dragon_Claw]

Igib wrote...

She can definitely be a soldier and still look like a woman. The problem is, like Data pointed out, about "the essence." They simply took the only real woman in ME and turn her into another $2 wh0re. Why? We already got Miranda for that. The reason behind the change is missing. But hey, some moron thought it would soooo cool, so they did it.

As I have written before, Im 1000000% convinced, that Ashley´s change from butch to Barbie, was to market her to the average money spending consumer, who just wants something pretty to look at, and dosen´t "talk back".

And as Jenny have said in several interviews, the VA´s has zero saying regarding lines or character arcs, even though it´s them that brings the characters to life...

I gotta admit that every time I type & read my own words regarding Ashley´s change, I kinda feel depressed. Because I feel that Bioware just isn´t the same game company, that they started out to be back in the 90´s. And it´s their own damn fault for merging with EA, who live by the golden rule.

That´s why when I see the people over at CD Project RED in Poland, who made the Witcher series, gives me so much joy. They are making exactly the kind of games they want, without bullsh't interference & restrictions. And you know what... The Witcher 2 kicked DA2 ass on EVERY level. Story, graphics, gameplay, you name it!

Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 05 septembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[laikabaws]

Roobz82 wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

laikabaws wrote...
Team Milky Way Snip 

Thank you for posting, but seeing these just makes me heartsick at the Virmire choice... The only squadmate I lost under my command in ALL of ME...
Wish I could've had EVERYONE in the finale...

I agree.  The pathos evoked in this event is probably the only real choice of mass effect that makes a difference.   The stupid thing is I prefer Ashley for the most part until ME3.  The plastic surgery she had was a turn off.

Pops in thead~ I know this is a tad bit late but thanks for supporting the trio~ I just love their dynamic and snarky bits together in ME1, and how they support Shepard in their own ways--Kaidan's yin to Ash's yang and mutually whole in Shepard's life. Still hatest decision other than those gruesome ME3 endings imo, but as much as I hate to admit it, was wonderfully done (wish I'd sacrifice someone else though).


 

[Aurora313]

@laikabaws

I'd dump Liara in that Virmire sacrifice in a flash. If only to keeps her from hogging all the other media and DLCs. Goddamn it, I hate how her character has developed. We've gone from being able to gleefully ignore her existance for 95% of the first game. To being a part of story-based DLC and progression in 2, to being pretty much Shepard's best friend. She's not my friend, my Shepards (as extention of myself) do not like Asari. Half the crap she has should have been reserved for the Love Interest for cryin' out loud! Almost all of it has a romantic subtext and to cap it off, she's a f*ckin' drama queen after Thessia! I wanted to deck her so badly...

How the hell does she think Ashley feels? Shepard? Kaidan? EVERY GODDAMNED HUMAN ON THE SHIP feels!?

[laikabaws]

Aurora313 wrote...

@laikabaws

I'd dump Liara in that Virmire sacrifice in a flash. If only to keeps her from hogging all the other media and DLCs. Goddamn it, I hate how her character has developed. We've gone from being able to gleefully ignore her existance for 95% of the first game. To being a part of story-based DLC and progression in 2, to being pretty much Shepard's best friend. She's not my friend, my Shepards (as extention of myself) do not like Asari. Half the crap she has should have been reserved for the Love Interest for cryin' out loud! Almost all of it has a romantic subtext and to cap it off, she's a f*ckin' drama queen after Thessia! I wanted to deck her so badly...

How the hell does she think Ashley feels? Shepard? Kaidan? EVERY GODDAMNED HUMAN ON THE SHIP feels!?

I was preventing myself from saying that, but yes, I'd sacrifice Liara . It's not that I hate her character per se (I never hated on an ME character...aside from that Star Brat), it's just how Bioware had intended her to be--all that media and in-game exposure (lol counting her banter against Kaidan is so pitiful every mission; cut Kaidan some slack and pipe down), and forceful BFF thing with Shep. She was particularly grating on Thessia and its aftermath though (I mean humans were turned into husks for such a long time--Banshees are new), which was all because of the asari's ignorance and selfishness too. All that hand-holding after Thessia and petty squabble with Javik who's telling the truth was too much; the support that Shep needed particularly from their LI was spent on her. And don't get me started on that special Liara sex scene...also the one from ME1, although much less so.

I just miss Ash, and I wish she was given more attention since she was supposed to be the titular LI for Sheploo media-wise...or better yet feature different LIs per ad. But yeah that's already too much to ask <_<

[Aurora313]

If it was too much to ask that the option to save both VSs to be added back into the game, then asking for some more VS time is off the table.

I mean, is it too much to ask that the VSs not be interchangable? (apparently yes) And not be limited to just a few interactions and most of their content wrapped up in the Citadel standoff (Again, apparently yes)

[t3HPrO]

I dunno about you guys, but I honestly didn't give a damn about Ashley's 'drastic' appearance change in ME3. At least they didn't wreck her like they did to just about everything else ingame, really.

[Aurora313]

I really don't. Hell, I like her hair. It's just How the hell does she shoot with one eye covered?

... I guess if Futurama's Leela could fly with one eye, then it could work. But seriously?

Other than than, I like her new appearance.

[laikabaws]

Aurora313 wrote...

If it was too much to ask that the option to save both VSs to be added back into the game, then asking for some more VS time is off the table.

I mean, is it too much to ask that the VSs not be interchangable? (apparently yes) And not be limited to just a few interactions and most of their content wrapped up in the Citadel standoff (Again, apparently yes)

:crying:
They were such different people in ME1!!! And I approve of more meaningful content for the both of them.

My heart aches for Ash though. Seeing the cut Ash content thread and transcribing Kaidan's lines, I realized that those cut lines would have perfectly paralleled the stuff Kaidan has (forgot which ones specifically) <_<

I also hate that their spectredom was reduced to an advantage for Udina. Yes, they earned it, but they didn't get the chance to show it, thus it seems that the spectredom was forced to meet Udina's purposes. HOPEFULLY A DLC ADDRESSES THAT! I just want to see them being capable as Shep (not that they aren't already) like in Mars. And I also want them openly supporting Shep because of that bond they shared in ME1, being the first characters Shepard meets (like in Eden Prime...more of that!), and also as an LI.

What could have been...(blue looks good on them both)

Modifié par laikabaws, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:07 .

[Aurora313]

I don't want a DLC for content that should have been included within the final product in the first place. They should have included it ALL in the final product in the first place. Instead we've gotten a glitchy shallow ghost of what could have potentially become a masterpiece.

Also, Liara's a dialogue wh*re. (No surprise there )

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[laikabaws]

Aurora313 wrote...

I don't want a DLC for content that should have been included within the final product in the first place. They should have included it ALL in the final product in the first place. Instead we've gotten a glitchy shallow ghost of what could have potentially become a masterpiece.

Also, Liara's a dialogue wh*re. (No surprise there )

Sigh, but sadly that's the way the gaming world works now. <_<

And as much as it lessens my efforts in transcribing Kaidan's banter, this hurts me. I'd rather be looking at Kaidan's banter and hear his voice thank you very much. I realize that this also implies less banter for Ash. I like your word choice though, made me laugh. 

[Aurora313]

Blunt? Tactless? and harsh yet truthful?

Why thank you

[CptData]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

^ Yeah I know... Not much of her me1 personality was shown in me3 sadly, I missed that too but I still liked her looks  a lot more in me3, they should just have let her have the bun on missions so her hair didnt get in the way lol. ^

I'd prefer her new looks for Shepard/Ashley romantic moments ... I really loved her old, tomboyish and soldier-like looks in ME1. It made her who she was: a professional soldier, tough as nails, efficient, serious.

In ME3 she's still that Ash, but her looks are more feminine. I just wished her attitude and character would have been similar like in ME1 'though ...

[laikabaws]

Aurora313 wrote...

Blunt? Tactless? and harsh yet truthful?

Why thank you

Much like Ash maybe?  But not tactless though 

Also, I don't particularly care about her appearance (she's beautiful!), as immersion breaking as it was. What I didn't like was how, yet again, Bioware intended to market her. According to the artbook, the point and purpose of her whole look overhaul was so that she could be more sexy <_< I like Ash a lot more than that and she definitely has more depth than that--please respect it.

She's quite beautiful here 


Ash spanning the trilogy

[Aurora313]

@Laikabaws

All Williams women are blunt and brutally honest. It's a family trait. 

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:40 .

[Dragon_Claw]

Well Im back home again. And Data, could you provide some dialogue to these (not tampered with) ME1 screenshots?





*trying to keep a straight face here*

[laikabaws]

@Aurora313 You said it!

Definitely fierce~

[iSousek]

I don't actually consider it that much off. She added make-up and let her hair down. I don't really see a problem with that.

EDIT: Out of context comment is out of context.

Modifié par iSousek, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Aurora313]

@ Laikabaws

Yeah - my name is 'Williams' too. So, three guesses where Ash gets it from?

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 septembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[Rudy Lis]

CptData wrote...

Rudy, you have a tendency to cut the important parts and leave the unimportant ones left.

Quite the opposite. I just don't concentrate on imaginery things, like "art" or "speculations".

CptData wrote...

My main focus was on her character - that has changed more than her appearance.

What character? What changes? There were no changes, because there is no character - it was multiplied by zero. There was mere empty shell of former self. Maybe sounds and looking somewhat close to previous iteration of self, but that's all.

It's not character, it is lack of it. I won't accept adding character just for show, as placeholder, nor take those bones they've thrown at our direction and thank them for bones, especially for a price they arsk for those bones. If you don't have enough money for character's proper writing and VO, well, probably you shouldn't spent your goddamn fcuking budgets on trailers and better spend those money on characters. We play games, not trailers.
I don't give a fcuk Kaidan had same budget per line as Ashley. Why they weren't given same amount of budget as Liara, for instance? Because they could be dead? Garrus and Tali could be dead, but they have pretty hefty conversations. Oh, because they could be killed twice or rejected? Then why you made those options in first place?
I really want to see their cost estimation and budget lines, because with all due respect to higher grade actors (and I really like Henriksen), if their cuts ate away most of VO budget, fcuk them, hire someone else. For some reason, most American actors don't have tendency to fcuk everything up without reason. Even "c-movie" actors you haven't heard in any titles before (and after).

As for "logic" behind Ashley (and Kaidan) behavior in ME3 - I already told everything (several times). Most of it about "you and Cerberus", "Cerberus and you", "you in Cerberus" and "Cerberus in you". And "Cerberus in general". Also, for those who chose Miranda in ME2, apparently most hilarious jealosy I ever heard... Armour, not swimsuit, yeah, right, sure, armoured cleavage - new trend in 22 century armour.

OneWomanArmy wrote...

I still don't see anything wrong with a military woman doing something out of herself appearance wise, a woman should look like a woman and she can do that without exaggerating which I dont think Ashley did in ME3.

Whats wrong with looking good as a military woman? It may distract the soldiers but other than that, nothing comes to mind

Tactical strings and bra, assault high-heel boots with new high-grip self-cleaning outsoles from Vibram and new mag and drop pouches on laces with laced camouflaged pantyhose. Also that sexy collar for insignia with Swarowski crystals.

If you in the army, you not man, not woman, you soldier. There are apperance standards. Because each of you represent army and unit you belong and by your action and appearance others will judge you and thus your army and your unit. Especially if you officer, because you also serve as example for your soldiers. Kaidan for some reasons feels comfortable in fatigues, why Ashley isn't? Pwetty pwincess much? I guess for same reasons Miranda has her suit.
For "looks" there are "non-uniformed" hours but each soldier should have reasonable considerations, what is allowed even for non-uniformed time and what is not, for reasons above.

OneWomanArmy wrote...

looks being too feminin

If that's "too feminin", I do not want to have anything with those "femines" who look like that.

[laikabaws]

@Aurora313 Aha! That's nice

Ash approves of having a soul sistah~

[BP93]

@Dragon... "My mind's telling me no, but my body is telling me yes!"


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