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[ashlover mark 2]

@iSousek i know there are plenty of ash fans, ive met many, but like i said though the ones that used to contributed have all gone there own way and if there still around here wed have to get them to help out, which im not sure they would.

second bioware wont acknowldge whats up with ashs content, unless couple us spam them on twitter thats not likely to change.

i think the possiablity of them already working a LI dlc is there but they have yet to talk about that either.

[iSousek]

JedTed wrote...

Getting Bioware's attention shouldn't be too hard, we just need some dedicated people willing to "rally the troops" as they say.  Somebody made that book with a whole bunch of fan-art of each LI as a "thank you" gift to Bioware.  If we show Bioware how much we'd like to have LI DLC [/b]then they should take notice, all that's left is the finacial support for the actual game content.

I figure EA won't invest that much anything ME related(unless it's a new retail game) so why don't have the fans chip in and support some of Bioware's projects?

You might wanna check this out 
http://me3cosmiclove.wordpress.com/ 

and this
[b]http://social.biowar.../index/12870201 

I think that if we are to do anything it should be Ashley-centric (or VS at best)

@ashlover
So? We'll just have to poke and rally some of the "missing" fans. Some of them might join, some not. You can't know till you try. 
Also, we can't know what is BW working on currently, nor what they are thinking, but we can try to influence them and maybe make them reconsider things that they might not consider originally. Wasn't this how Liara got LOTSB basically? Or how Garrus and Tali became LI?

Not showing BioWare what we want will definitely not get us any new content.

Modifié par iSousek, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:25 .

[ashlover mark 2]

iSousek wrote...



Getting Bioware's attention shouldn't be too hard, we just need some dedicated people willing to "rally the troops" as I think that if we are to do anything it should be Ashley-centric (or VS at best)

that makes it harder to get it. i doubt bioware do anything for ash alone. or even for ash/kaidan. it would have to atleast include liara. EA wouldnt dare risk putting a dime into an ashley centric product. their afraid she wont make a profit. shes got to many ppl who simply outright hate her guts.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:25 .

[iSousek]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

that makes it harder to get it. i doubt bioware do anything for ash alone. or even for ash/kaidan. it would have to atleast include liara. EA wouldnt dare risk putting a dime into an ashley centric product. their afraid she wont make a profit. shes got to many ppl who simply outright hate her guts.

Thats not true, look at the LOTSB, it is one character centric. Also, nobody said it had to be something that is gonna cost them tons of money, nor does it have tob e a in game DLC. For example it can be a comic book where one issue is related to Ashley and what she did before ME 3, while the other issue is kaiden related.

Again, man you need to throw the word "doubt" out of your dictionary. Inaction will defintely give you nothing.

[ashlover mark 2]

iSousek wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

that makes it harder to get it. i doubt bioware do anything for ash alone. or even for ash/kaidan. it would have to atleast include liara. EA wouldnt dare risk putting a dime into an ashley centric product. their afraid she wont make a profit. shes got to many ppl who simply outright hate her guts.

Thats not true, look at the LOTSB, it is one character centric. Also, nobody said it had to be something that is gonna cost them tons of money, nor does it have tob e a in game DLC. For example it can be a comic book where one issue is related to Ashley and what she did before ME 3, while the other issue is kaiden related.

Again, man you need to throw the word "doubt" out of your dictionary. Inaction will defintely give you nothing.

youre optomistic, i understand. thats cool i usually am to. but ive been around bioware forums for a long while, i know how bioware/EA  thinks and operates. LOTSB works because liara is less of a risk. meaning as many players love that charecter as hate her, ashley has a crap load of haters who wouldnt even look twice at an ashley product. are there enough us to make it profitable for them? maybe. but they dont think so. also ashley can be killed numerous times liara cannot, haveing a crap load of liara stories wont upset anyones canon but makeing one ashley story will.

its simple math really, not enough ashley fans to show bioware that spending ANY amount of money is worth the loss they belive theyd take. now if all the ashley fans were active and posting how much they love the charecter everyday and ash was high up there in polls in every single poll that comes out then that would be a diffrent story.in fact we wouldnt even be talking about how to try and get her more content really wed just be getting it.

like i said though if somebody comes up with a feasible plan,and ill support it the best way i can.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[DWH1982]

Liara isn't as divisive as Ash, at least she wasn't before she got so much attention from Bioware.

A large chunk of the ME fanbase hates Ash because she's "racist" or whatever. Not to mention the fact that Ash/Kaidan have more chances to die throughout the trilogy than any of the other squadmates, AND you have the option of refusing to take them along with you in ME3 if they're still alive.

All of those things significantly harm our chances for seeing Ash DLC. Do you really think that Bioware is going to spend time on DLC for a character that much of the fanbase hates, and who many players don't even bother taking with them after the coup - if they don't kill her outright?

I really don't think the remaining writers care for her much, either, to be honest. She got a much reduced role in ME3 compared to ME1. Whoever wrote her came up with some good stuff, but it doesnt seem whoever is running the show wants her to have much of a place. Not anymore.

EDIT: Depressing talk is depressing. Time for my favorite Sheply pic:

Modifié par DWH1982, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[ashlover mark 2]

DWH1982 wrote...

Liara isn't as divisive as Ash, at least she wasn't before she got so much attention from Bioware.

A large chunk of the ME fanbase hates Ash because she's "racist" or whatever. Not to mention the fact that Ash/Kaidan have more chances to die throughout the trilogy than any of the other squadmates, AND you have the option of refusing to take them along with you in ME3 if they're still alive.

All of those things significantly harm our chances for seeing Ash DLC. Do you really think that Bioware is going to spend time on DLC for a character that much of the fanbase hates, and who many players don't even bother taking with them after the coup - if they don't kill her outright?

I really don't think the remaining writers care for her much, either, to be honest. She got a much reduced role in ME3 compared to ME1. Whoever wrote her came up with some good stuff, but it doesnt seem whoever is running the show wants her to have much of a place. Not anymore.

EDIT: Depressing talk is depressing. Time for my favorite Sheply pic:

sadly i agree. only optomistic thing i can come up with is that they cut all that content from ash so they could save it for an upcomeing dlc. thats about it.

[DWH1982]

I just don't think they consider her a priority.

Maybe if ME3 had more development time, characters they seemed to feel were "lower" priority would have gotten more attention/less cuts. I'm thinking Ash, Thane, and Kelly.

As it is, I think they decided they had to sacrafice character content to get the game out on time, so they had to prioritize characters. Probably this was done via a combination of fan feedback, criticalness to story, and, frankly, how much the writers themselves liked the characters.

The end result is that certain characters were treated very well (Liara, Garrus), while others didn't get enough(Ash) or were treated quite poorly (Thane) or downright horribly (Jacob).

I don't know if it's true or not, but I heard somewhere that one of the writers admitted that they "forgot" that Thane was a romancable character in ME2, and had come up with some romance content to add after they remembered. I HOPE that's not true, but the sad thing is - ME3 has such a rushed feel to it, regardless of what Bioware tries to say to the contrary, that I can actually beleive that story.

Ash and Thane used to be written by the same person. I think his departure from Bioware more or less screwed the fans of both characters.

[ashlover mark 2]

i wont say ash was screwed. but i agree i dont think bioware cared to much about her. i think they just said "lets just do the bare minimum for this charecter"

although her cut and shortned content makes me wonder if they activley tried to do that to her to make liara look better.

[JedTed]

DWH1982 wrote...

All of those things significantly harm our chances for seeing Ash DLC. Do you really think that Bioware is going to spend time on DLC for a character that much of the fanbase hates, and who many players don't even bother taking with them after the coup - if they don't kill her outright?

That's why WE need to stand up and show Bioware how much we want that extra content.  Obviously they're not gonna waist time and resources on the whim of the fans which is why suggested the Kickstarter campaign so we can actually help fund that DLC that we all asking for.

The Kickstarter wouldn't be solely for Ashley/Kaiden DLC but all of the other LIs that fans feel were under utilized in ME3(i should've mentioned that before).  It we get the entire BSN community involved then there's a chance we could actually make it happen.  We got Bioware to release Extended Cut which expanded on the poor endings so there's no reason they wouldn't listen to this if enough people request it.

That Cosmic Love site looks like a good start, we just need to keep up the discussion.  What's the old saying?  "It only takes ONE voice to start a revolution."

Modifié par JedTed, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:34 .

[DWH1982]

There was a tweet that suggested more content for the ME2 squad. I think they consider the ME 1 squad finished storywise, though.

In any event, if this is what you want to do, good luck. I hope you're successful, but after the controversy with the ending, and their failure to listen to the large majority of fans who felt the endings were complete and utter crap that deserved a total re-write instead of the polish they got with the EC - and, frankly, the condescending way that they interacted with their fans concerning the matter -  I no longer have the energy to try to convince Bioware to do anything. Would rather just focus on the remaining things that I find enjoyable about the franchise, and hope that whatever DLC comes is fun.

Modifié par DWH1982, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[Dragon_Claw]

Again, thanks for the positve words regarding my comic. Im also getting alot of love from the Liaramancers because of that. It´s nice to feel appricated.

And the discussion about Ashley & future stuff. I have to fully agree with DWH & Mark 2. I have written this several times, and Ashley do have more haters then lovers. And from a buisness standpoint, it will be a bad move to invest time & money into future stuff with her. Whatever Bioware has in mind, they will always have to ask EA permission from now on, since EA is a coporation that´s only into the money. Just see what they did to Origin Systems & their Ultima series...

I really REALLY hate to type this guys, but Ashley & Shepards story is finished, and they are never coming back again. But that doesn't we should stop caring or disbust or whatever. Look at A New Hope. That flick came out in the 70´s, and we still love that ****ing thing to this day. In 10 years time, we will still be playing ME. But we would probably call it retro gaming.....

Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:43 .

[ashlover mark 2]

it was weekes i belive. he said something along the lines of as much as i would like to do an ash and kaidan story i would like to do one for charecters who didnt have much time. something like that.


@dragon i dont think ash has more haters. i think ashs bulk of fans just play the game and enjoy her. however the players that hate her are far more vocal than those that love the charecter. im waiting to see what bioware has up their sleeve. until their finished with the game 100%   ill hold out hope.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[DWH1982]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

Again, thanks for the positve words regarding my comic. Im also getting alot of love from the Liaramancers because of that. It´s nice to feel appricated.

It was a fun comic.

Dragon_Claw wrote...
I really REALLY hate to type this guys, but Ashley & Shepards story is finished, and they are never coming back again.

Yeah, pretty much. The only stuff left is head canon. It'd be that way even if ME3 had been a better product, to be honest, but the fact that it wasn't and that Ash wasn't handled better makes it a litlte worse, I think.

Dragon_Claw wrote...
But that doesn't we should stop caring or disbust or whatever. Look at A New Hope. That flick came out in the 70´s, and we still love that ****ing thing to this day. In 10 years time, we will still be playing ME. But we would probably call it retro gaming.....

I dunno. There's still a lot about the franchise that's fun, but I've been looking for an "out" for some time now.

I've stopped buying non-game related merchandise (comics, books, and I'm no longer interested in any of the proposed movies at all) and I'm no longer involved at Cerberus Daily News. And back before ME3, I wrote most of the front page articles there.

That "punched in the gut" feeling I got after ME3 took a lot of the enthusiasm I had for the franchise, and much of it just hasn't come back.

[JedTed]

I don't see how it helps dwelling on all the game's short comings, sure it could have been better if they had just one or two more months of development time but unless you have a time machine how exactly can you fix that?

Only thing you can do is have faith that it can be fixed and focus on making it better. Personally i'm content with what little dialog Ashley has in ME3, considering how much i got to know her in ME1 i'm not sure what else Bioware could do to further evolve her character(leave that up to Ashley fan-fics i guess). I wouldn't mind seeing an Ashley focused comic book which explain what she was doing between ME1 and 2 or between ME2 and 3.

Surely Bioware owes us that much.

[DWH1982]

The Ash content in ME3 is good, but it only focuses on one or two elements of her character, and perhaps overplays her trust issues.

And the problem with Ash in ME3 is that I think, in many cases, she's ONLY appealing to people who got to know her in ME1. Because of the way her content was handled, there's no reason for new players to like her at all, or see her as anything other than some "shrill woman" who points a gun at Shepard, versus, say, Liara, who's always accomodating and "always seems to be there," as I've heard at least one person describe it.

Even some people who romanced her in ME1 gave up because of her content in ME3, I think. Unless you use head canon to fill in the blanks, she quite often seems like a shell of her former self, especially on the Normandy. Hell, we don't even know what she did between ME1 and ME3. You'd think that's a discussion she and Shepard would have at some point.

EDIT: You do realize the problem with an Ash comic book for filling in the blanks between ME1 and ME3, right?

In many playthroughs, she's dead.

Such a comic book would step on the personal canon of quite a few players. The only way I can think of to explain what she was doing is in game, and, sadly, I don't see that happening.

Modifié par DWH1982, 16 septembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[ashlover mark 2]

@jedted i think bioware could have done alot more for the sqaud. and most definiatley ash in particular. comes down to wheither they cared to or had the time. but thats me. i enjoy the game for what it is and im glad ash is featured in the game as much as she is considering what they didn to the ME2 charecters.

[DWH1982]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...




@dragon i dont think ash has more haters. i think ashs bulk of fans just play the game and enjoy her. however the players that hate her are far more vocal than those that love the charecter.

I wish there were some reliable way to get information on the average age of the players who prefer each of the LIs.

I have no evidence, but I honestly have a sneaking suspicion that players who pick Ash and Kaidan as their primary romance tend to be a little older than the players who pick the other romances.

If that's the case, they might just focus on playing the game, and never bother with BSN.

The reason I bring this up is because it seems like, since 2010/2011 when I started reading the Ash and Kaidan threads, and since I started interacting with their fans, I noticed that quite a few were at least in their late 20s, early 30s, while some were even in their late 30s or 40s.

In 2010/2011, at least, there were quite a few women in the Kaidan thread who were at least in their 30s. Haven't been in the Kaidan thread since ME3, so I don't know if that's the case anymore.

[iSousek]

I think that you ppl think way to linear and just consider "this" as an Ash version of LOTSB.

It can be anything, it doesnt have to be a DLC, hell it doesn't even need to be all about Ashley.

If it's a good piece of lore content, ppl will buy it no matter if the emphisize is on Ashley/Kaiden

But that is not even the point, and that is not even our issue. All we need to do is make sure BioWare knows that there is a demand for Ashley content. That's all.

We don't need to bash our heads with things like "omg, some fans hate character x and won't buy it and BW knows it". We just need to make sure BoWare knows there is a demand.

C'mon ppl, being all "i know BW doesn't care and won't do anything, so I'll just do nothing" attitude will defintely get you nothing. being proactive is the only way you might get something.

Also, stop saying that there is a problem with creating comic book. I said this a countless times. I twitted Mr. Weekes once of apossiblity of a VS comic one day, and he said that if the demand is high enough they might consider it.
One of the VS survivors being dead is not any kind of issue since Garrus/Tali could possibly be dead in someones playthrough and yet they got their comic.

[ashlover mark 2]

@DWH yep i agree. alot of ashley fans are adults. if anything me and few other older regulars were teenagers when we started posting. i just turned 21.

[DWH1982]

@iSousek: As I said, if you guys want to get something started, good luck. I'll keep an eye on how it's developing and decide if I want to get involved - but at this point, given my enthusiasm level for the franchise and the competition for my time from "real life," I'd say I probably wouldn't be involved directly.

[ashlover mark 2]

ill help if i see its going anywhere. but at the moment the storys over and im content if nothing else comes from upcomeing dlc. however, i like to be pleasantly surprised so ive got my eyes open.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 16 septembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[DWH1982]

Not enough Ash:

[iSousek]

Dont know if you guys saw this

I newer saw it before for obvious reasons, but I think it's was very tastefully delivered, and, no matter the sad context, very spot on.

edit: some pic

Modifié par iSousek, 16 septembre 2012 - 11:37 .

[ADLegend21]

iSousek wrote...

Dont know if you guys saw this

I newer saw it before for obvious reasons, but I think it's was very tastefully delivered, and, no matter the sad context, very spot on.

Seen it. You an do it for both VS and I'm glad there was something mentioned about Virmire.