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[Ywasibanned]

Hey guys, I've been messing around with a programme called "Blender" for a while, and I've got a request for you..

I'm trying to model several of my favourite fictional characters, so do any of you have an anterior and lateral view of her head/body? Better yet, a finished blender model! Thanks~ in advance.

[Badpie]

I can't see my Shepard just kissing Ash right off the bat. Even if he wanted to, he knows that that's assuming a lot. He's just not that presumptuous. And to be honest while there's the chance that it would go well and Ash would love it and yada yada, grown ups know that's not what fixes things. It would probably be awkward more than hot, especially if Ash wasn't ready for it.

But you all have got me thinking of that Liara kiss at the end of LotSB and holy crap now I totally want something like that.

I guess my main want is that they handle the whole relationship thing like Ash and Shepard are adults rather than high school kids. I'm sure it will be fine, but sometimes I worry about subtlety and maturity in a game where conversations need to move the story along really quickly.

As for the mention of Horizon, as bad as I thought the writing was there I think the general outcome of the situation was the right one. Shepard showed up, things got heated, they left it open and uncomfortable. That's the right way of it for the story, even if it was executed poorly.

[jakeN7]

[quote]ADLegend21 wrote...


I'm aware of these parts of Ashley, but she's a big girl. from the demo she doens't look distant from Shep at all, possibly hijacking the Normandy to pick Shepardup while the Reapers destroy earth. You'd think the reapers would be on the lookout for the Normandy since it, You know, kill Sovereign.


Top Ash




I saw the demo and i thought that the normandy that ash "hijacked" looked to small to be the SR2, I thought it might be her own ship since she's a spectre now, maybe another SR1 model. I might have to look again

[Aurora313]

@Badpie

I agree. In my defence, all I'm saying is that I can't wait for the inevitable 'make-up' scene. Although I wouldn't think it was beyond possibility that Shepard (mine at least) would have at least given her a brief hug as a way to show he was glad she was safe or something like that.

[Badpie]

Aurora313 wrote...

@Badpie

I agree. In my defence, all I'm saying is that I can't wait for the inevitable 'make-up' scene. Although I wouldn't think it was beyond possibility that Shepard (mine at least) would have at least given her a brief hug as a way to show he was glad she was safe or something like that.

I would love if after the whole exodus from Earth, when there is a quiet moment before they start planning what's next there is for both Shepards who romanced and didn't, some sort of hug.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Hey, I just got kinda inspired to write some poetry...one of them turned out to be about Ash!

A faint glistering on the white
Radiating warmth from the red
I shiver at the shimmer in those eyes, full and brown.
The passion in these lips made it look as if she said:

“You make me feel … good enough”
But now I fear it was a lie
“I don’t need a knight in shining armour” I was not
Yet now my death and return only caused her to sigh

The red has faded into black
The white disappeared into the blue
Her hair fell down, as I let her
The shimmer, the shiver, they are back, she’s back in my crew

Or as possible replacement for the ending sentence:
And once more she showed me, I’m not Mary Sue 

btw, red&white are the colours of Phoenix armour so...That might make things a little clearer, cause it does all make sense (which thinking about it might not have been very obvious, or it might have been...or not)

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 01 septembre 2011 - 03:19 .

[Grey34]

this is my first post in this thread so hello everyone its 12 30 at night down here in aus. so i assume theres no news about ash in me3 yet.

[Badpie]

Grey34 wrote...

this is my first post in this thread so hello everyone its 12 30 at night down here in aus. so i assume theres no news about ash in me3 yet.

Hello Grey and welcome!  There hasn't been too much in the way of news as far as Ash goes.  We know she's in the game and she's "a major part of the storyline" according to Mac Walters.  We know she's "matured and more sure of herself" and from the pictures we've all gleaned that she is now a SpecTRe and possibly a Lieutenant (based on audio dialogue from a demo).  Beyond that they've been pretty quiet about Ash.

[ADLegend21]

A Horizon rewrite? That would be....interesting to say the least.

[Rdubs]

Badpie wrote:

As for the mention of Horizon, as bad as I thought the writing was there I think the general outcome of the situation was the right one. Shepard showed up, things got heated, they left it open and uncomfortable. That's the right way of it for the story, even if it was executed poorly.

Badpie you know I admire your creative talents and believe that you set the gold standard for ME fan fiction and as such, in my book, I give you the largest say of anyone in the non-canon ME world about what things could or could not be.  But while I see what you're getting at and agree with it in some contexts, I have to disagree with you on another angle.

I don't know what the time gap between the end of ME2 and start of ME3 will be, but for discussion let's just say it's three months (there would need to be at least enough time for LotSB).  So if you were Commander Shepard and had  just competed the suicide mission, would you go park the Normandy somewhere in space and do nothing during that three months - or would one of the first things you do be to try and get in contact with Ash to talk things out.  Especially since he told Cerberus to shove it, Ash wouldn't be able to use the "you're with Cerberus" reason to run away.  My point is, Liara romancers had LotSB to play out something that would likely happen "in reality".  Ash fans on the other hand are asked to believe that Shepard did jack **** to talk to Ash in between the ME games which I find hard to believe. 

So what I was joke-thinking about was an easy way to help bridge that gap (and throw us a bone) would be to modify Horizon to provide responses that we'd at least find plausible while also helping close the "rekindling gap" going into ME3.  Something as simple as saying on Horizon, "As soon as I could I tried to contact you but not even Anderson would tell me where you were."  Instead remember we had to choose WTF crap like "I didn't want to hurt you." 

I just have a hard time believing that in the [whatever period] of time between the ME games, Shepard didn't do **** to try and talk to Ash to smooth things over a bit even though the last moments he might have ever had to himself before dying he spent looking at her picture.  Modifying Horizon to give us some hope would be a pretty economical way for Bioware to put us in the same place that LotSB did for Liara fans.  That all being said, maybe having a greater "rekindling gap" to close will make for a better story.  Could you imagine though if they wanted to keep the romances on the same level and as such had to come up with something to take Shepard/Liara's relationship down a peg?

[Mr. Brainheart]

elektrego wrote...

A Horizon do-over? No way! I cried and raged and dealt with it. But it is, what it is. Let's focus on ME3 and how we get this love story back on track. What badpie said in the second post of this page is absolutely right

I wanted to say something, but you already said it for me.

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

ADLegend21 wrote...

A Horizon rewrite? That would be....interesting to say the least.

I can't imagine them actually rewriting it, but even if they did I'm not sure I would purchase it anyway.  Horizon was heartbreaking, shocking, and most of all, got Ash fans amped up for their reunion in ME3, leaving us to wonder whether or not she would be around at all.  It made me sad at first, but then I accepted the fact that this would make me even more excited for ME3
Now that we know she is going to be in the third installment(YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!) having that for DLC might take away some of the fear and anticipation that is making us await Ashley's return so faithfully.

Good thought though, whoever came up with that.  You're right, they should have rewrote that dialogue...

BEFORE THEY RELEASED THE GAME

[Badpie]

Rdubs wrote...

Badpie wrote:

As for the mention of Horizon, as bad as I thought the writing was there I think the general outcome of the situation was the right one. Shepard showed up, things got heated, they left it open and uncomfortable. That's the right way of it for the story, even if it was executed poorly.

Badpie you know I admire your creative talents and believe that you set the gold standard for ME fan fiction and as such, in my book, I give you the largest say of anyone in the non-canon ME world about what things could or could not be.  But while I see what you're getting at and agree with it in some contexts, I have to disagree with you on another angle.

I don't know what the time gap between the end of ME2 and start of ME3 will be, but for discussion let's just say it's three months (there would need to be at least enough time for LotSB).  So if you were Commander Shepard and had  just competed the suicide mission, would you go park the Normandy somewhere in space and do nothing during that three months - or would one of the first things you do be to try and get in contact with Ash to talk things out.  Especially since he told Cerberus to shove it, Ash wouldn't be able to use the "you're with Cerberus" reason to run away.  My point is, Liara romancers had LotSB to play out something that would likely happen "in reality".  Ash fans on the other hand are asked to believe that Shepard did jack **** to talk to Ash in between the ME games which I find hard to believe. 

So what I was joke-thinking about was an easy way to help bridge that gap (and throw us a bone) would be to modify Horizon to provide responses that we'd at least find plausible while also helping close the "rekindling gap" going into ME3.  Something as simple as saying on Horizon, "As soon as I could I tried to contact you but not even Anderson would tell me where you were."  Instead remember we had to choose WTF crap like "I didn't want to hurt you." 

I just have a hard time believing that in the [whatever period] of time between the ME games, Shepard didn't do **** to try and talk to Ash to smooth things over a bit even though the last moments he might have ever had to himself before dying he spent looking at her picture.  Modifying Horizon to give us some hope would be a pretty economical way for Bioware to put us in the same place that LotSB did for Liara fans.  That all being said, maybe having a greater "rekindling gap" to close will make for a better story.  Could you imagine though if they wanted to keep the romances on the same level and as such had to come up with something to take Shepard/Liara's relationship down a peg?

Well they sort of gave a rough time line for the end of ME2 to ME3.  It's not really set in stone.  if it something like three months -  they went through the relay, Shep took care of Shadow Broker stuff and Arrival then it's not that implausible that Shepard hasn't spoken to Ash yet.  He may want to, but it's not as if he can just turn the ship around and go where he needs to go to talk to her.  There are priorities, you know like dealing with the fact that he just killed 300,000 people and facing the consequences of that.  Everyone always says "wouldn't the first thing you'd do be to go talk to Ash?"  The answer is no.  That's pretty far down the list of "sh*t Shepard has to do today."  

And honestly, an email isn't going to cut it.  Shepard knows this.  He has literally had to shove aside all personal stuff for the sake of this mission - and that includes settling the score with Ashley.  That's entirely believable to me.  And like I said, Horizon was written poorly but the gist of how it turned out is still absolutely correct and an engaging storyline.  I would have made the dialogue a bit more honest and open from Shep's end, but it all ends as it should, with conflict and Ash walking away, then her sending an email to him.

Modifié par Badpie, 01 septembre 2011 - 05:25 .

[Rdubs]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

elektrego wrote...

A Horizon do-over? No way! I cried and raged and dealt with it. But it is, what it is. Let's focus on ME3 and how we get this love story back on track. What badpie said in the second post of this page is absolutely right

I wanted to say something, but you already said it for me.

Until ME3 comes out, all we can do is talk about what we wish we'd see or what we think is likely.  Most people talk about what they'd like to see in ME3.  Most of the time I do that.  In this case I was talking about something I wouldn't mind seeing in the lead-up to ME3, understanding of course it would never happen. 

Cracks me up to see someone talking about fantasy in a fantasy world try to pass judgment over what in that fantasy world people should be fantasizing about LOL.

Modifié par Rdubs, 01 septembre 2011 - 05:31 .

[Rdubs]

Badpie wrote...

Well they sort of gave a rough time line for the end of ME2 to ME3.  It's not really set in stone.  if it something like three months -  they went through the relay, Shep took care of Shadow Broker stuff and Arrival then it's not that implausible that Shepard hasn't spoken to Ash yet.  He may want to, but it's not as if he can just turn the ship around and go where he needs to go to talk to her.  There are priorities, you know like dealing with the fact that he just killed 300,000 people and facing the consequences of that.  Everyone always says "wouldn't the first thing you'd do be to go talk to Ash?"  The answer is no.  That's pretty far down the list of "sh*t Shepard has to do today."  

And honestly, an email isn't going to cut it.  Shepard knows this.  He has literally had to shove aside all personal stuff for the sake of this mission - and that includes settling the score with Ashley.  That's entirely believable to me.  And like I said, Horizon was written poorly but the gist of how it turned out is still absolutely correct and an engaging storyline.  I would have made the dialogue a bit more honest and open from Shep's end, but it all ends as it should, with conflict and Ash walking away, then her sending an email to him.

Guess it's a matter of preference really.  I agree with you fully that the Horizon situation makes for a very interesting setting going into ME3 and has more potential for greatness than going into it a little less far apart.  On the other hand I also wouldn't mind having the option to close the gap a bit to help make it what I think would be a little more "real".  I completely agree that after Arrival, Shepard probably had to lay low until ME3 starts and probably had a warrant out for him.  I was thinking more post-ME2 and pre-Arrival would be when he'd reach out.  You talk about him needing to "turn the ship around" to talk to Ash.  My view is, that ship wasn't headed anywhere important after it came back through the O-4 relay.  Pre-suicide mission: of course.  Post, but pre-Arrival: there's time.

Like I said though I completely agree with you that the current situation will make for a very good story.  I'll even say a more dramatic one.  I just was thinking how I'd like to have the option to go into ME3 set up a little more towards the way I'd like, i.e., a little closer than an email entitled "Hey" (IIRC).

Modifié par Rdubs, 01 septembre 2011 - 05:52 .

[Rdubs]

elektrego wrote...

They are both soldiers with a lot of responsiblities that both take very seriously, if they didn't meet up by chance again, than this is the way it is. I can't certainly see either running away from their duties to find someone they love to have a talk about the status of their relationship. I want an epic resolution to that love story, too but on its own terms. I don't want what Liara fans had, just because they had it.

edit: I was giving my opinion, I am not passing judgement on anybody. I do fantasize about things others don't agree with, too. I wasn't attacking you! Sometimes it cracks me up, that people who  love Ash have a problem, when someone is talking to them a little more "assertive."

Wasn't talking about you passing judgment elektrego.

[MegaBadExample]

^Wouldn't it be really, really stupid and selfish of Shepard to drag Ash into that sh*tstorm just because he misses her? I think so.

Shepard can't even contact Ash. He has no clue where she even is as that information is 'classified'. And hell, Shepard may have cut ties with Cerberus, but after what he's done I doubt Anderson would give out Ashley's location or any information on her after finding out he killed 300,000.

As for Ash finding Shepard? She's out in deployment on her own missions, doing her own thing. She wouldn't drop it. But I've gotta feeling she's the spectre with the job of bringing him to Earth to face the music. There has just got to be a scene before the trial, between Shepard and Ash. I mean how the hell is she already on the Normandy? Lookin' all fly with the flowing silky hair.

Guess we'll see how it plays out.

[Mr. Brainheart]

@Rdubs, I wasn't trying to pass judgement, either, merely agreeing that I don't feel any need for such a scene. I often take things personal too quickly though, if I did I apologize.

@Mega; since they took the normandy in custody and refitted it, it has been there for a little while, Ash might not have shown herself to Shep in that time, it seems more likely that they already had a chat, to me.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 01 septembre 2011 - 06:04 .

[Badpie]

Rdubs wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Well they sort of gave a rough time line for the end of ME2 to ME3.  It's not really set in stone.  if it something like three months -  they went through the relay, Shep took care of Shadow Broker stuff and Arrival then it's not that implausible that Shepard hasn't spoken to Ash yet.  He may want to, but it's not as if he can just turn the ship around and go where he needs to go to talk to her.  There are priorities, you know like dealing with the fact that he just killed 300,000 people and facing the consequences of that.  Everyone always says "wouldn't the first thing you'd do be to go talk to Ash?"  The answer is no.  That's pretty far down the list of "sh*t Shepard has to do today."  

And honestly, an email isn't going to cut it.  Shepard knows this.  He has literally had to shove aside all personal stuff for the sake of this mission - and that includes settling the score with Ashley.  That's entirely believable to me.  And like I said, Horizon was written poorly but the gist of how it turned out is still absolutely correct and an engaging storyline.  I would have made the dialogue a bit more honest and open from Shep's end, but it all ends as it should, with conflict and Ash walking away, then her sending an email to him.

Guess it's a matter of preference really.  I agree with you fully that the Horizon situation makes for a very interesting setting going into ME3 and has more potential for greatness than going into it a little less far apart.  On the other hand I also wouldn't mind having the option to close the gap a bit to help make it what I think would be a little more "real".  I completely agree that after Arrival, Shepard probably had to lay low until ME3 starts and probably had a warrant out for him.  I was thinking more post-ME2 and pre-Arrival would be when he'd reach out.  You talk about him needing to "turn the ship around" to talk to Ash.  My view is, that ship wasn't headed anywhere important after it came back through the O-4 relay.  Pre-suicide mission: of course.  Post, but pre-Arrival: there's time.

Like I said though I completely agree with you that the current situation will make for a very good story.  I'll even say a more dramatic one.  I just was thinking how I'd like to have the option to go into ME3 set up a little more towards the way I'd like, i.e., a little closer than an email entitled "Hey" (IIRC).

Just out of curiosity, how much time do you think is there?  I got the impression that the missions like Collectors/Shadow Broker/ Arrival happened BOOM BOOM BOOM!  I never pictured Shepard just sitting there on the ship doing nothing for a week or two in between.

And even if the beginning of ME3 happens like 6 months after Arrival, we don't know yet how long Shepard has been on Earth, possibly incarcerated awaiting this "trial."  Paperwork and politics is a long and slow process.

I still feel like anything Shepard could have possibly done to reach out to Ashley would simply not be enough to satisfy either of them (let alone the fans).  Even if it was a response in email, what could he have said?  There's too much to say, which is essentially why things didn't go as well on Horizon.

They both have their lives and responsibilities at the moment and those are top priority, but I'm sure they both know that when they have the chance, when they finally do get to talk some things need to be settled.

Modifié par Badpie, 01 septembre 2011 - 07:00 .

[MegaBadExample]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Rdubs, I wasn't trying to pass judgement, either, merely agreeing that I don't feel any need for such a scene. I often take things personal too quickly though, if I did I apologize.

@Mega; since they took the normandy in custody and refitted it, it has been there for a little while, Ash might not have shown herself to Shep in that time, it seems more likely that they already had a chat, to me.

Ah, good point.

I'm just happily guessing here lol. Maybe Ashley only shows up then to speak up? The Alliance and the council seem to value her now and having worked with Shepard before, her voice might have some weight. Not much, but still it's out there, along with Anderson's. Not that it'll make much difference. Shepard killed 300,000 lol he's screwed either way.

The reapers have perfect timing if you ask me.

That picture that was shown of Shepard and Ashley sitting together somewhere...maybe at the trial? Shepard is wearing the same gear we saw in the Earth demo. Makes you think.

[Deelane]

MegaBadExample wrote...
That picture that was shown of Shepard and Ashley sitting together somewhere...maybe at the trial? Shepard is wearing the same gear we saw in the Earth demo. Makes you think. 

I think it's Normandy, after escaping from the Earth. Because Shepard's Mattock behind his back. Maybe they look at the battle, or listen to any bad news (though much worse already?).

[Mr. Brainheart]

@Mega; You mean this pic right?


I always assumed this was in a shuttle for some reason, but it could be a shuttle to the trial perhaps? . Shepard looks like he's contemplating, it seems a fitting look for someone who is going to trial.

Ofcourse this might just be a new casual outfit for Shepard.

@Deelane, That's his mattock? I thought it was his seat! Lol. Well that would change the situation

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 01 septembre 2011 - 07:19 .