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[Ross42899]

krukow wrote...

Ross42899 wrote...

Nice!  You find this or make it?

No, I didn't make it myself. I found it on Deviantart (should see the link to the original picture, if you right klick on it).

I wish I had such skills and could draw a picture like this myself.

[ADLegend21]

Made Nightwing wrote...
Kelly is a video game character, you should not be taking her advice. And more to the point, she is a character that is mush in most people's playthroughs because no one can stomach someone that cheerful. Turns out, your sexuality is part of your character. And by the timeframe of ME3, humanity has known that for about two centuries. I swear, if I hear that idiotic line one more time...

Characters, well done characters, are to be treated as real people. That's the point of fiction, to tell stories that are relate able in some way. People like characters they can identitfy with. We're all here because in some way we identify with Ashley Williams. We identify with her toughness because life is hard and you need to be tough to move forward when things aren't going your way. Some identify with her love of poetry, some identify with her because of her military service and dedication to the systems alliance. Some identify with her love of her family because that's what means to us in our lives.

Though one thing you won't hear anyone say is that they identify with her because she's straight ie "She's such a good straight role model". Sexuality, like anything about a person, is only as powerful as you make it. Since it's the societal norm (everywhere but tumblr) you're straight until proven otherwise. There's no "straight" qualities to a person like "oh they're straight because they watch this show, or play that game, or read that book." There's only that for homosexuality or bisexuality because they aren't treated as normal by society so they must be given the power to match heterosexuality. One thing Mass Effect did right was portray (most) non-hetero relationships as if they wera  normal thing, because is the 2180's they are.

No one bats an eyelash at Shepard if she chooses to pursue a romance with Liara, Allers, Samara, Kelly, or Traynor. Nor do they if they choose to pursue Cortez or Kaidan, the same way they don't for Mshep going after Ashley, Miranda, Tali, Allers, Jack, or Liara, and how Fshep can go after, Kaidan, Jacob, Thane, or Garrus. (the descrepancy between LI's should be obvious here.) It's normal because Shepard is happy (in most cases). She or he is still a badass soldier that saves the galaxy multiple times no matter who is in their bed with them if anyone's in there at all. (shout out to the single Shepards) No one cares who you bed and that's how it should be already. Instead post like these need to be made because people DO care who you love when it's none of their damn business. ashley doesn't care if you romance her or not. She still recognizes your talent and is your friend if you aren't shacking up with her, just like any person worth any merit should act, and that's how I identify with her.

[krukow]

Ummmm, who are you yelling at AD?

And I agree, I like that each relationship is just what it is, and is left to it's own devices. But who's this Kaidan you keep referencing? The guy who dies in ME1?

Though you can't pursue a relationship with Samara. You people need to stop being in denial about that one (holding hands briefly in ME3 doesn't count!)

[BP93]

Sorry, but fictional characters should not be treated as real individuals. I think you need to get out into society more if that's really your line of thought. They're created for entertainment purposes and that's where the line should be drawn.

Next thing you know we'll be seeing court cases where defendants argue that because "so and so" did so on TV, they thought it was acceptable in real life.

Doesn't work that way.

[ADLegend21]

Yelling? that wasn't yelling.

THIS IS YELLING BECAUSE CAPITAL LETTERS!

Not like Kaidan after his ME1 romance scene:
JOKERS WAITING FOR YOU ON THE BRIDGE.

Also tell that to the Samara fan base, I dare ya ;D. the ME writing team has a tendency to screw people in the romance department even AFTER relationships have started, look at Jacob! You can't say anything regarding sexuality or possibility there. you get a romance with him that gets the achievement and then in he next game they write him heating on your and knocking up some other chick. That's just pure, uncut, bad writing.

[krukow]

BP93 wrote...

Sorry, but fictional characters should not be treated as real individuals. I think you need to get out into society more if that's really your line of thought. They're created for entertainment purposes and that's where the line should be drawn.

Next thing you know we'll be seeing court cases where defendants argue that because "so and so" did so on TV, they thought it was acceptable in real life.

Doesn't work that way.

Dude, that happens all the time.  Where do you think the "don't try this at home" warning came from?

And I think you're misunderstanding AD's point just a little.  They aren't real like you and I are real (well, me anyways), but they should be enjoyed and written as though they are real people.  That's why we all like this game so much, because the characters have a feel of authenticity about them (at least somewhat).

I think?  I sorta lost track of what AD was saying half way through...

EDIT: @AD I totally agree with you on the Jacob thing.  That was so stupid that I just cannot fathom what they were thinking.  I can understand how they thought up the ending (they tried to be creative and clever and just failed, it happens).  I CANNOT understand the Jacob turn...

Modifié par krukow, 02 octobre 2012 - 05:33 .

[FahRENheit06]

BP93 wrote...

Sorry, but fictional characters should not be treated as real individuals. I think you need to get out into society more if that's really your line of thought. They're created for entertainment purposes and that's where the line should be drawn.

Next thing you know we'll be seeing court cases where defendants argue that because "so and so" did so on TV, they thought it was acceptable in real life.

Doesn't work that way.

Seconded.

I agree with much of the sentiment of ADLegend's post (i.e. sexuality is part of character, but not necessarily the determinant of character. They can be separated if we choose to do so, but being defined or not defined by sexuality is up to the individual) but the point BP brought up is where I disagree. I draw on these characters for inspiration and entertainment, nothing more.

- Ren

[ADLegend21]

BP93 wrote...

Sorry, but fictional characters should not be treated as real individuals. I think you need to get out into society more if that's really your line of thought. They're created for entertainment purposes and that's where the line should be drawn.

Next thing you know we'll be seeing court cases where defendants argue that because "so and so" did so on TV, they thought it was acceptable in real life.

Doesn't work that way.

You don't know the power fiction has on reality do you? Sure ther's a definite line between fiction and reality, but they both affect each other a lot. Harry potter for example was the staple of a generation. Everoyne knows who Harry Potter is and a lot of people are emotionally invested int hes eries and took things from it and made them part of their lives. They took the morals, the bonds between characters, pieces of charaters you name it, and applied them to their lives. You do it too with your "entertainment". like Is aid it's part of your character because of how it affects you.  People become friends through these sort of things as I'm sure you've noticed form the friends you've made because of this thread and website. It brings people together, characters bring people together. That's why Good characters are treated as they are real. Not in that they live just like us, but that we value them and learn from them as we would a real person.

[BP93]

krukow wrote...

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Dude, that happens all the time.  Where do you think the "don't try this at home" warning came from?

And I think you're misunderstanding AD's point just a little.  They aren't real like you and I are real (well, me anyways), but they should be enjoyed and written as though they are real people.  That's why we all like this game so much, because the characters have a feel of authenticity about them (at least somewhat).

I think?  I sorta lost track of what AD was saying half way through...

Point is, fiction should be left inside fiction. Your comparison doesn't add up. The don't try this at home mantra cme from stunts performed in real time by professionals. Morons thought they could replicate tjem and... you know the rest of the story. 

No offense, but people like Data saying they want Ashley in real life is a bit creepy. Enjoy what you actually have. Rudy already touched on this though. It's fiction based on traits from real life taken from a variety of sources and compiled into one. It's great to enjoy the characters and the games but leave them in the fictional world they exist in. It's the same line of reasoning kids use when they leave their imaginary friends behind as they grow older. They simply don't exist and as more of the real world sets in, they move on. 



And yeah, it's hard to follow sny of his posts. Lack of grammar and coherant sentences. I've seen elementary students who take more time to make sure their **** makes sense.  

[BP93]

You'll have to forgive the typos. BSN isn't very friendly to phone posting. I tried to correct them but gave up.

[krukow]

BP93 wrote...
Point is, fiction should be left inside fiction. Your comparison doesn't add up. The don't try this at home mantra cme from stunts performed in real time by professionals. Morons thought they could replicate tjem and... you know the rest of the story. 

No offense, but people like Data saying they want Ashley in real life is a bit creepy. Enjoy what you actually have. Rudy already touched on this though. It's fiction based on traits from real life taken from a variety of sources and compiled into one. It's great to enjoy the characters and the games but leave them in the fictional world they exist in. It's the same line of reasoning kids use when they leave their imaginary friends behind as they grow older. They simply don't exist and as more of the real world sets in, they move on. 



And yeah, it's hard to follow sny of his posts. Lack of grammar and coherant sentences. I've seen elementary students who take more time to make sure their **** makes sense.  

Those last two lines make this my favorite post ever.

I know you explained that phone posting is hard, but still, THE LULZ!

[BP93]

LOL if you've ever tried to use the quote feature on your phone you'd understand. It's why most of the time I just do it like this:

@krukow.... blah blah blah

The quick reply works fine, but the quotes or standard form is a ****ing mess.

[krukow]

Yeah. I have an iphone, and even then it's a pain.

But you get no sympathy cuz you tried to make Ash a Browns fan.

You're a bad person for that and should feel bad.

[FahRENheit06]

I would say something trite like "you're both right, in moderation. Either case taken to extreme is either really creepy or really boring." But then I remembered this is the internet.

BP93 wrote...

LOL if you've ever tried to use the quote feature on your phone you'd understand. It's why most of the time I just do it like this:

@krukow.... blah blah blah

The quick reply works fine, but the quotes or standard form is a ****ing mess.

OMG it's a piece of ****. Especially if you want to quote a post longer than like 8 lines or has a picture... might as well just give up because it cuts off the post window and you're guessing what you're saying, assuming you can even get the cursor down there. BSN: needs better mobile compatibility for the spoiled smartphone generation. #firstworldproblems

- Ren

[BP93]

And AD, your Harry Potter analogy is even worse than krukow's "Jackass" warning label.

Fictional works in literature have been around for centuries. Video games have barely been around two decades. Not today, but classic works held educational value. Mark Twain, F. Scott Fitzgerald.. etc. were renowned for their use of fiction but also lessons on values. Games don't come close to that AT ALL. My AP English teacher from my senior year would slap you in the face if you said that to him.

Fiction holds a place in reality by staying out of reality.

[krukow]

BP93 wrote...

And AD, your Harry Potter analogy is even worse than krukow's "Jackass" warning label. 

My analogy was fine.  You said people would start saying they did things because they saw them on television, I pointed out that this already happpens.   You just assumed Jackass.  I was actually thinking of the warnings that WWE and Beavis and Butthead used to get (like that kid who burned down his trailer cuz he saw them play with fire).

[BP93]

@Ren... Finally! Someone who understands the hardships of mobile BSN posting. *sob*

[Dragon_Claw]

BP93 wrote...
No offense, but people like Data saying they want Ashley in real life is a bit creepy. Enjoy what you actually have.

ALYX  WHY R U NO REAL?!?!?  <3<3<3<3:wub:<3<3<3<3

Modifié par Dragon_Claw, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:17 .

[BadExamp1e]

What's AD moaning about now?

Ash is bisexual in my head!.. bah bah bah?

[Igib]

BP93 wrote...

Sorry, but fictional characters should not be treated as real individuals. I think you need to get out into society more if that's really your line of thought. They're created for entertainment purposes and that's where the line should be drawn.

krukow wrote...

And I think you're misunderstanding AD's point just a little.  They aren't real like you and I are real (well, me anyways), but they should be enjoyed and written as though they are real people.  That's why we all like this game so much, because the characters have a feel of authenticity about them (at least somewhat).

Those characters are becoming real when you write (about) them, BP. Sure, you can say that they don't actually exist in your reality, but... somewhere, there is someone exactly like the one you write about.

Modifié par Igib, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:22 .

[krukow]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

krukow wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

krukow wrote...

Why would anyone be friends with taboo??

I've asked myself that question many times actually. You aren't even on there.

Not your fault, I don't add people except for two ashmancers I once planned to play multiplayer with.

I consider you my friend taboo

What am I? Chopped liver?

well, you're actually my BSN friend.  You added me and everything!

And then we played multiplayer and you were way better and my self esteem fell apart...

[Taboo]

You'd move up to beef if you actually got on Skype dawg. But alas the Bears were more important...

[ADLegend21]

krukow wrote...

BP93 wrote...

Sorry, but fictional characters should not be treated as real individuals. I think you need to get out into society more if that's really your line of thought. They're created for entertainment purposes and that's where the line should be drawn.

Next thing you know we'll be seeing court cases where defendants argue that because "so and so" did so on TV, they thought it was acceptable in real life.

Doesn't work that way.

Dude, that happens all the time.  Where do you think the "don't try this at home" warning came from?

And I think you're misunderstanding AD's point just a little.  They aren't real like you and I are real (well, me anyways), but they should be enjoyed and written as though they are real people.  That's why we all like this game so much, because the characters have a feel of authenticity about them (at least somewhat).

I think?  I sorta lost track of what AD was saying half way through...

EDIT: @AD I totally agree with you on the Jacob thing.  That was so stupid that I just cannot fathom what they were thinking.  I can understand how they thought up the ending (they tried to be creative and clever and just failed, it happens).  I CANNOT understand the Jacob turn...

No you got it right Krukow. They aren't real real like us but yeah they should be enjoyed like they are real. That's what makes fiction awesome.