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[Rudy Lis]

[quote]CptData wrote...

Anderson belongs to the navy branch, otherwise he would have hold the rank of a major instead of a captain and wouldn't end as an admiral. [/quote]

Then what the **** he was doing on the ground, doing his seqweet sqweewel missions?


[quote]CptData wrote...

Ashley is a marine, means, her final rank should be General. That, of course, works out only in case she doesn't switch the branch. However, maybe she DID change the branch while attending officer school in those two years. [/quote]

Two years? In officers' school? For different branch (regardless that some canadiens think there was little difference between navy and marines)? Nuh-uh. For already officer - maybe. For former NCO with about >< that much of experience of space flights...


[quote]CptData wrote...

That could even explain why she still had a NCO rank in ME2 and suddenly got a CO rank in ME3 - she kept her old rank until finishing officer school and got promoted right after that.[/quote]

In normal countries (even in such crazy as mine), people who accepted into military academy has special "rank", indicating their affiliation with academy. She had no such rank (yet even in ME2 intro we were introduced to someone who was labeled as "ensign" (no such rank in Codex).
Plus your good friend Anderson (how come?) told you about "Seqweet mission".


[quote]CptData wrote...

My finger's on Anderson, by the way. Maybe he wanted Ashley (or Kaidan) to be the CO of his flagship. [/quote]

Da wot? Okay with Kaidan, officer already, but Ashley? Former NCO? Mate, I know you love Ashley, but flush those clouds from your head.


[quote]CptData wrote...

I can ignore any issues with Kaidan since he's not alive in my headcanon and for Ash I got a nice workaround to explain her rank.[/quote]

Kaidan is alive in mine, and I began to having issues with his promotion basket in ME2. From StLt in ME1 to StCdr in ME2, in two years, give or take? And then to Maj? Nuh-uh.


[quote]CptData wrote...

Which basically means Anderson helped her a) to get into officer school and pulled some strings so she got promoted by two ranks above normal graduates.[/quote]

Two? One rank above -1st Lt, 2 ranks above - St Lt, she is Lt Cdr. Flush the clouds.
If Anderson really did that, my respect toward him dropped to level of my respect of two particular companies - canadien and american.
Doing so undermines all CoC, devalues all CoC and ranks of all other officers. Excuse me, there 330 millions servicemen. That's a ****ing lot.


[quote]CptData wrote...

However, in some way it also feels like nepotism and that Ash didn't deserve this rank. Well, maybe it explains why she's so different in ME3 as well ... who knows. I also have an idea for that.[/quote]

Refuse to be promoted.
And that's, actually, what I expected of her in such case. Well, from ME1 Ashley, that's it. I don't recognize that woman they palmed us off under Ashley's disguise.


[quote]survivor_686 wrote...

lol. I'd think comparing Ashley situation to that of a fligth steward might be tad excessive, but I get your point. [/quote]

Well, what can I do if people ignore all logical and reasonable statements?


[quote]survivor_686 wrote...

But frankly its the best way I can head-canon it right now. [/quote]

To earn battlefield promotion there should be battle. Any battles? For 4 promotions?
Don't "headkanonize" (whatever that means) stupid things, don't accept them. Yet don't fix them German-Swiss way, by adding more complications to them.

If you really, I mean REALLY want to see her as officer (what for?), here is idea. She is still NCO at beginning of the game and she is actually on Mars, as Liara's "bodyguard", of a sort. When Shepard arrive to Mars with, say, Jenkins 2.0, he witness how Ashley organized defense against "overwhelming odds", after lending a helping hand and returning back to Normandy, Shepard writing comendation for promoting Ashley to 2nd Lt for her "outstanding actions during defense of Martian Archives". Or something like it.

But I'd prefer to see old good NCO. Hey, if that was easy, they'd have given it to officers!


[quote]survivor_686 wrote...

As for N series training, I believe that its the Alliance's special forces program and N7 is the final stage. Using modern day militaries as reference, I 'd think it be rather odd to limit special forces training to officers only. Perhaps N7 ranking comes with an officer's commission to boot as well? Who knows? Bioware is rather vague on this point[/quote]

IIRC N7 is for officers, thus only officers could apply.
As for "officers only", that program may be oriented specially for junior officers, since their level of command is rather specific - higher than NCOs' one and, well, senior officers generally don't run with field troops, they have more important responsibilities, which they should follow (and not running toward beam and getting there hells know how, David!).
Maybe enlisted have their own version of program, as you said, who knows. In my country there are special courses for officers of company level, then batallion-regiment level (and they took about year, just for reference) and on higher levels as well. Unlike some canadiens, military folk prefer specialization, not universality. The more universal it is, the worse performance is as well.


[quote]survivor_686 wrote...

Yeah its highly likely that Bioware didn't actually bring in any military experts to help with the terminology, which is rather hilarious given that Edomonton is the home of thehighest military authority for Western Canada. Fo Shame Bioware.

[/quote]

Whats also hilarios is that in ME1 both ARs got their lower "orifices" as muzzles (according to muzzle flash, thus making upper ones as front lense of scopes). In ME2, probably under influence of Mattock and Revenant, they swapped barrels for upper "orifices". If this actually makes sense with Mattock - barrel axis height is still rather low, with Avenger and Vindicator patterns it's meaningless - imagine recoil with that lever. Revenant, on the other hand, has quite interesting thing, resembling gas system under barrel. What for - for expelling mass effect field gases? Of course it could be counter-balancing system, but given Revenant stability and spread, I wonder why?
Not to mention more or less realistic spread pattern for shotgun pellets in ME1 and more than "realistic" (according to Codex) projectiles velocity.


[quote]Wilkco wrote...

i see ash getting promoted then being demoted back down a rank when some cocky new admiral bad mouths her family and she floors him with a right hook and walks off with shepard just standing there laughing at the admiral out cold on the floor
[/quote]

All I see is murmur among servicemen of many ranks about her promotion so high for such short term, open challenging of her commanding abilities and authority, with borderline disobedience (or open disobedience), ending up in fragging or shooting in the back. CSI this.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 03 octobre 2012 - 05:37 .

[scotiej]

Yeah, the rank jumps for Kaiden and Ash were ridiculous, especially Ashley. A middle grade NCO to a Lt Commander in two and a half years is unbelievable. It just doesn't happen. Not to mention that according to the in-game codex, Shepard and Ash and now the same rank, they mention that Shepard is merely referred to as "Commander" even though there isn't a rank like that in the codex. Bioware made a lot of continuity mistakes in that regard.

[krukow]

Dude, it's a game where ships have gravity and make sound in outer space, every chick is thin and hot, and there's a species of robot cuttlefish that kill organics to preserve them.

The rank jump is hardly the most unbelievable thing in the world...

[BP93]

Yeah, it's a Sci-fi game. Logic goes out the window. Ex: the endings.

[Rudy Lis]

scotiej wrote...

Yeah, the rank jumps for Kaiden and Ash were ridiculous, especially Ashley. A middle grade NCO to a Lt Commander in two and a half years is unbelievable.

Nuh-uh, not in two and half years, in 6 months or so. Maybe a bit more - she still was Operations Chief (according to Anderson) on Horizon. And then boom - LtCdr.
 

scotiej wrote...

It just doesn't happen. Not to mention that according to the in-game codex, Shepard and Ash and now the same rank, they mention that Shepard is merely referred to as "Commander" even though there isn't a rank like that in the codex. Bioware made a lot of continuity mistakes in that regard.

They prefer to call it "art" and us "entitled whiners".

krukow wrote...

Dude, it's a game where ships have gravity and make sound in outer space, every chick is thin and hot, and there's a species of robot cuttlefish that kill organics to preserve them.

Artificial gravity, not every chick (I'd say about 2), and sound was through emulators.

krukow wrote...

The rank jump is hardly the most unbelievable thing in the world...

I stated many other things as well. But if you can leave cuttlefish (I thought it squid or kalmar of a sort) to "authors vision", their military-related topics are total crap.
Damn, do they realize that even if Cerberus assault on Citadel involved 300K troops (if they so great so they need 1-1 proportion, not 3-1 or 5-1, they needed around 900 tonns of supplies for them for daily operation? Plus water. Of course, that's by modern standards. Not to mention fleet required to ferry all of them there and, well, guard and garrison duty regulations, strangely polite reapers who ignore Normandy twice, leaving "crucible" blueprints, no short-range MRN disactivation protocol...
Suspence of disbelieve? Successfull - I do not believe in what I see there.

BP93 wrote...

Yeah, it's a Sci-fi game. Logic goes out the window. Ex: the endings.

Endings? There were two?
But you're right. Ending of whole trilogy (ME3) is just horrible.

[ADLegend21]

scotiej wrote...

Yeah, the rank jumps for Kaiden and Ash were ridiculous, especially Ashley. A middle grade NCO to a Lt Commander in two and a half years is unbelievable. It just doesn't happen. Not to mention that according to the in-game codex, Shepard and Ash and now the same rank, they mention that Shepard is merely referred to as "Commander" even though there isn't a rank like that in the codex. Bioware made a lot of continuity mistakes in that regard.

They're War heros. They help stop a galaxy destrying surprise invasion and they're the replacement for the protagonist when they work for a terrorist organization. They become the face of the Alliance, a superstar.

[BP93]

I'm a superstar.

[krukow]

BP93 wrote...

I'm a superstar.

TL;DR

[Taboo]

BP93 wrote...

I'm a superstar.

Yes I'm here, what do you need?

[Igib]

ADLegend21 wrote...

They're War heros. They help stop a galaxy destrying surprise invasion and they're the replacement for the protagonist when they work for a terrorist organization. They become the face of the Alliance, a superstar.

This BS again? You can slap some medals on them for their "heroic deeds", but Ashley doesn't deserve her rank and neither of them deserve the Spectre status.

[krukow]

Igib wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

They're War heros. They help stop a galaxy destrying surprise invasion and they're the replacement for the protagonist when they work for a terrorist organization. They become the face of the Alliance, a superstar.

This BS again? You can slap some medals on them for their "heroic deeds", but Ashley doesn't deserve her rank and neither of them deserve the Spectre status.

1.  Anderson wanted them for his XO.  He's an admiral.  They're war heroes with a decorated past.  I'm pretty sure he could arrange it.
2.  3 Alien council members disagree with you about their deserving spectre status.  3 aliens who, by the way, have a history of not doing what Udina wants them to do, so don't claim he manipulated it all on his own.  The council approved them.

Basically, you're wrong.

[Rudy Lis]

ADLegend21 wrote...

They're War heros. They help stop a galaxy destrying surprise invasion and they're the replacement for the protagonist when they work for a terrorist organization. They become the face of the Alliance, a superstar.

For how many times I need to repeat, that military rank is indication of your capability and qualification to lead unit of certain size and nothing more? It's like your civil qualification level. Only instead of all diplomas servicemen wear stripes and stars (generally). So they don't need to read all scribbles, one look and you can evaluate person ahead of you.

It has nothing to do with being a "star". Master Chief could multiply all Reapers on zero with his bath towel, and he just Master Chief Petty Officer.

Plus, what the ****ing "face of the Alliance", if one of the best helmsman in Fleet was grounded, his team was disbanded and some two out of blue (no pun with Liara intended, really) became "face of the Alliance"? After Shepard was swept under rag, Kenneth and Donnely were discharged and here we are - ex-mothballed formerly dead "authentic" commander Shepard team-mate who helped stop invasion and nobody gave a **** about for two years!

krukow wrote...

1. Anderson wanted them for his XO. He's an admiral. They're war heroes with a decorated past. I'm pretty sure he could arrange it.

If he had some of his brain intact, he wouldn't do that. At least for Ashley. Kaidan is officer already and even if you remove his unexplainable rise to major, leaving him at more appropriate LtCdr level, he could be SR2 CO. It's much harder for Ashley, she has a lot of things to learn and prove and 2.5 years of pure service still not enough to reach position of XO, not to mention CO. Especially on such ship as SR2, it's not some patrol cutter with crew of 12.

krukow wrote...

2. 3 Alien council members disagree with you about their deserving spectre status. 3 aliens who, by the way, have a history of not doing what Udina wants them to do, so don't claim he manipulated it all on his own. The council approved them.

Basically, you're wrong.

Council approved them because it was easier to approve spectre than to unite fleets. It's like awareness ribbons - that warm feeling that you "aware", but IRL you don't do ****. And world seen worse political moves, not just appointment of one person on some ridiculous post.
Ashley mentioned dog thrown at bear to run away (as if dog didn't run away before, aha), well, she's that dog. Extended cut. Thrown bone. Awareness ribbon.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 03 octobre 2012 - 09:54 .

[Igib]

krukow wrote...

1.  Anderson wanted them for his XO.  He's an admiral.  They're war heroes with a decorated past.  I'm pretty sure he could arrange it.
2.  3 Alien council members disagree with you about their deserving spectre status.  3 aliens who, by the way, have a history of not doing what Udina wants them to do, so don't claim he manipulated it all on his own.  The council approved them.

Basically, you're wrong.

1. He can also make cows fly and pigs sing.
2. Ah. So because some "writer" thought it would be sooo cooool to make them Spectres, I have to accept it? Surprise! I don't.

Basically, you need to wake up from your dream.


@Rudy
You can keep repeating it over and over again 24/7/365 and people still won't understand. 'Tis a war you can't win. Unless you find/create a magical "I-WIN" button/device, that is. Or simply ask BioWare/EA for one. 

Modifié par Igib, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:09 .

[krukow]

Igib wrote...1. He can also make cows fly and pigs sing.
2. Ah. So because some "writer" thought it would be sooo cooool to make them Spectres, I have to accept it? Surprise! I don't.


@Rudy
You can keep repeating it over and over again 24/7/365 and people still won't understand. 'Tis a war you can't win. Unless you find/create a magical "I-WIN" button/device, that is. Or simply ask BioWare/EA for one. 

1.  WTF?  Ah, a troll answer.  Cool yo!
2.  Yup, let's just dismiss everything in the game that happens that you don't agree with.  Awesome!

Seriously, it happened in game and makes plenty of sense.  You just WANT to criticize.

Which is fine.

Modifié par krukow, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:14 .

[Igib]

krukow wrote...

1.  WTF?  Ah, a troll answer.  Cool yo!
2.  Yup, let's just dismiss everything in the game that happens that you don't agree with.  Awesome!

Seriously, it happened in game and makes plenty of sense.  You just WANT to criticize.

Which is fine.

1. Calling everything you fail to understand a "troll answer" is very wise indeed. I have so much to learn from you!
2. Yeah, well, what else can I do if 80% (or more) of ME3 content is there just for show and makes little sense? Ah yes, I can troll on BSN. My life suddenly has meaning again!

But seriously? If you don't look too close the game is fine. If you do however, it's impossible not to notice how little sense things actually make. And unfortunately, I looked. 

Modifié par Igib, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:30 .

[Rudy Lis]

Igib wrote...

1. He can also make cows fly

No space magic, just physics. All you need is love good kick. As in anecdote "hedgehog is proud bird - it won't fly till you kick it".

Igib wrote...

and pigs sing.

Not sure if it will qualify for singing, but few applications of turpentine on mustard could provide certain sound generation...
But some people listen to bieber, so...

Igib wrote...

You can keep repeating it over and over again 24/7/365 and people still won't understand. 'Tis a war you can't win.

I'm stubborn. So I guess I just copy all reasons I mentioned and will paste them as soon as new argument arise. 
Like in the army - repetition over repetetion. If you don't know how to do that - we'll teach you. If you don't want to do that - we'll make you.
 

Igib wrote...

Unless you find/create a magical "I-WIN" button/device, that is. Or simply ask BioWare/EA for one. 

Ask? beaware? I asked them to fix my ME3/BF3 issues, it took them 2.5/3 months respectively!
Plus, why I need to ask them? Such button exists. Well, two actually. And two keys. They launch ICBMs.

Shepard to fleet:
- All lock on coordinates N53.4825 W113.4937 and fire, full power! 

Igib wrote...

But seriously? If you don't look too close the game is fine. If you do however, it's impossible not to notice how little sense things actually make. And unfortunately, I looked.

Truest words...

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:34 .

[ADLegend21]

Rudy Lis wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

They're War heros. They help stop a galaxy destrying surprise invasion and they're the replacement for the protagonist when they work for a terrorist organization. They become the face of the Alliance, a superstar.

For how many times I need to repeat, that military rank is indication of your capability and qualification to lead unit of certain size and nothing more? It's like your civil qualification level. Only instead of all diplomas servicemen wear stripes and stars (generally). So they don't need to read all scribbles, one look and you can evaluate person ahead of you.

It has nothing to do with being a "star". Master Chief could multiply all Reapers on zero with his bath towel, and he just Master Chief Petty Officer.

Plus, what the ****ing "face of the Alliance", if one of the best helmsman in Fleet was grounded, his team was disbanded and some two out of blue (no pun with Liara intended, really) became "face of the Alliance"? After Shepard was swept under rag, Kenneth and Donnely were discharged and here we are - ex-mothballed formerly dead "authentic" commander Shepard team-mate who helped stop invasion and nobody gave a **** about for two years!

it's all about being a star in Mass Effect when you've got other species to impress. Jacob tells you that the Alliance came up witha composite image of you WHEN YOU WERE DEAD for recruiting. Even without that Ashley's technical scores wer off the damn charts and people under her command loved her.Only reason she also wasn't a LT with Kaidan was because of the Williams curse. hat's even more ridiculous than her jumping into CO status in 3 years. The name "Shepard" carries weight and when that weight was going to Cerberus the Alliance needed something to counter that so Williams and Alenko were tapped to take that. They get sent to Horizon, and anti-alliane colony for help. That's them going "hey we wanna protect you so here's a hero to hel you guys arm yourselves." thats the power of stardom.

[Rudy Lis]

ADLegend21 wrote...

it's all about being a star in Mass Effect when you've got other species to impress.

Yeah, other species were so impressed by Anderson and Shepard in their prime...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Jacob tells you that the Alliance came up witha composite image of you WHEN YOU WERE DEAD for recruiting.

 
Composite? I remember Jacob was saying about usage of Shepard's image, but not sure for composite part...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Even without that Ashley's technical scores wer off the damn charts and people under her command loved her.

Under her command or those she served with? I still yet to see exact hierarchy and positions. Plus, being loved (and capable to lead) on lower levels doesn't guarantee success at higher levels.

ADLegend21 wrote...

Only reason she also wasn't a LT with Kaidan was because of the Williams curse.

Stop already! At 25 y.o. she was gunnery chief. I'd say damn ****ing impressive. I made comparison charts with other people progression, Ashley's ranks are anything but "cursed". It was suggested her place of service were a) ground, "backwater".
But - we have no data on how many ships and space stations alliance had. 330 millions of servicemen has to be stationed there and somehow I fail to see way to spread all of them in space. Imagine how many stations and ships were needed to bunk all of them. Arcturus was biggest and hold how many, 50K? 6.6K of such stations were needed then. I'd say that a lot.
As for "backwater", we have little knowlege on planets she was serving on, no?

ADLegend21 wrote...

hat's even more ridiculous than her jumping into CO status in 3 years.

No, it doesn't.

ADLegend21 wrote...

The name "Shepard" carries weight and when that weight was going to Cerberus

Then the Alliance should spend some cash and revive Shepard. It was just what, 2 millions? Drive core for one fighter is what, 5 times more expensive? Yeah, sure, "bad investment".

ADLegend21 wrote...

the Alliance needed something to counter that so Williams and Alenko were tapped to take that. They get sent to Horizon, and anti-alliane colony for help. That's them going "hey we wanna protect you so here's a hero to hel you guys arm yourselves." thats the power of stardom.

"Hero we swapped under rag and kept there for two years and now pry out there because it will be used as bait to lure collectors"?

[Made Nightwing]

Stardom has no bearing on promotion. Corporal Ben Roberts-Smith won the VC and is still an NCO, as is Trooper Mark Donaldson. You don't get promotions because your famous, in fact, it harms your chances because they don't need well known faces in command positions.

[krukow]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Stardom has no bearing on promotion. Corporal Ben Roberts-Smith won the VC and is still an NCO, as is Trooper Mark Donaldson. You don't get promotions because your famous, in fact, it harms your chances because they don't need well known faces in command positions.

I don't know who those people are.

[Rudy Lis]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Stardom has no bearing on promotion. Corporal Ben Roberts-Smith won the VC and is still an NCO, as is Trooper Mark Donaldson. You don't get promotions because your famous, in fact, it harms your chances because they don't need well known faces in command positions.

Finally.

krukow wrote...

I don't know who those people are.

All you need to know, that they are recipients of Victoria's Cross.

[krukow]

ah, google is my friend.

Also, british military. snicker...

[Rudy Lis]

Australian.
And tell us what made you snicker, don't hesitate...

[Saito404]

Top Ashley's grandfather

I want a DLC about this guy and his history with Cerberus.

[survivor_686]

Could a plausible scenario be that the David Anderson promoted Ashley in order for her to serve on the Normandy as an Executive Officer? (I beleive that was Shepard's original role on the Normandy)

Perhaps he gambled that being one of the few humans whom served with Shepard in a direct combat role, she would have some experience with Anti-Reaper warfare (Husks, reprogrammed Geth, brainwashed Asari Commandoes and everything else)

It is mentioned that Anderson did intent to make the SR2 Normandy his own (a fact that I wanted to bring up when I run into him on Earth). Perhaps he figured that replacing a suspected war-criminal (Shepard blowing up the Arahot system, working with a terrorist organization and currently under house-arrest), with one of colleagues would serve to help him.

Wait a second, did Anderson intend to cut us out of the picture?

Modifié par survivor_686, 04 octobre 2012 - 02:08 .