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[DWH1982]

Well, this is depressing... We finally have the public thread back, but nothing to talk about.

 

New head canon I'm developing for Ash: Before ME3, her unit destroys the shipyards that the Ceberus fleets were coming from. If it hadn't been for that, Cerberus would have had even more of a build up by the start of ME3 than what we see in the game.

 

I've also been thinking about how to make sense of their fleet in light of Cerberus' supposedly limited resources. I figure TIM sold off many of the assets from Cerberus' front corporations so he could afford to buy second hand ships from various Terminus warlords and dictators. Those ships were then outfitted with salvaged Reaper tech, plus their own shackled AIs to cut down on the crew size needed for each.

[2Pac]

Ash is worth it.

Lol

[CptData]

Yep, DWH1982 - hard times

 

It's too much of work to go through all possible headcanons in my case, therefore I'll pick the one which is used in my project right now. Besides the starting point - Ashley gets rescued on Eden Prime by Shepard and Kaidan in 2183 - a lot of stuff changed. Shepard doesn't die, for instance, but gets wounded enough for a long recovery time. He also works for Cerberus - as a double agent. However, to get things done and to end with Cerberus, he had to cut all ties to the Alliance - including Ashley. And, to ensure things work out like planned, Shepard is not allowed to tell her anything.

 

Pretty much that - at least at current planning stage. Maybe she DOES know but starts to believe Shepard defected - however, it's the basis of a lot of distrust between both. All I did so far is to remove the "Shepard-died-part".

 

Ashley's part in here is: I like the way she was in ME1. I'd love to explore her family side a bit more, especially her relationship to her father and grandfather. I believe, her grandfather is still alive in ME1, her father is dead 'though, so there's some story to be told.

For that, by the way, I do virtual interviews with most of my characters - to get in touch with them. That's also a trick a lot of professional writers use. I plan to do it at least twice - one at the beginning of ME1 and one at the end of ME3, to "simulate" character growth.

 

Just an idea, how it works (this one is post-ME3):

 

CptData: So you had a pretty rocky relationship to your grandfather?

Ashley: Depends. I disliked the way how the Alliance treated him after the war - after all, he tried to save thousands of lives. Basically, he got kicked upstairs, to some sort of a desk job. When he quit, I thought he simply dropped the ball instead fighting for it. When I joined the Alliance, he argued against me - and when I found out he was one of the founders of Cerberus - I haven't talked to him for years.

CptData: I see. So, the hatred for Cerberus is based on what your grandfather did?

Ashley: No, it's not like that. I was upset because my grandfather was involved founding Cerberus. Especially after what I've learned just too soon after joining Shepard's crew. Abducting humans, illegal genetic research, Subject Zero, Operation Overlord - all that. When you have to go through all that, learn all that, you really hate everyone and everything involved with Cerberus. That also included my grandfather, although I know he had a different agenda than Jack Harper.

CptData: Different goals?

Ashley: He wanted to protect Earth, the colonies - the Alliance itself. I'm sure my grandfather couldn't forgive himself what did happen on Shanxi. Not trusting aliens is one thing. Using them and own people for experiments like those on New Horizon - no, that's something my grandfather surely didn't want. But Jack Harper did. That was his doing. Doesn't change my oppinion on Cerberus and before learning the truth - well, my grandfather didn't deserve the thoughts I had.

CptData: What did change your mind?

Ashley: My grandfather gave me several datapads, just mere weeks before he died. First I didn't want to read any of them, fearing all I knew about my grandfather would be true.I found out that wasn't true - instead, I feared the idea all I knew about my grandfather wasn't true. And I was right - in the end, I learned all he wanted was protecting mankind.

CptData: Thank you, Ashley. So is there anything else about your grandfather?

Ashley: Yes. I think he would have liked Shepard - and approve what we two have now. Too bad I couldn't tell him when he was alive. But I know he's now at a better place watching us, like my dad.

[DWH1982]

It's been awhile since I played ME1. You may want to double check on whether she says anything about her grandfather being dead. I always thought she said he had passed away by then, but I honesty can't remember for sure. I do know you're right about her father having passed away.

 

In my head canon, her grandfather actually remains involved with Cerberus after the Alliance pushes him out. His "deep space construction" job was just a cover story. As a founding member, he, along with a few other people, served on the "Cerberus Council," which was supposed to act as a sort of legislative/oversight branch to TIM's executive function. He actually faked his own death about a decade before the start of ME1 so he could better function in his position with Cerberus.

 

Shortly after ME1, the Cerberus Council was "purged" by TIM. They had developed a tense relationship with him over some of the things they knew he was trying to do, and they officially became "too much of a problem" after discovering several projects that TIM had kept off the books. Cerberus was being divided, with some factions on TIM's side and others on the side of the Cerberus Council.

 

TIM sent out some assassins to eliminate the Cerberus Council after Shepard and Co. destroyed several Cerberus bases during the course of ME1. He was able to use the chaos within Cerberus that was sparked by Shepard's actions to his advantage - first, by fabricating evidence that blamed the Cerberus Council for information leaks that lead to the loss of Cerberus resources, and second by blaming their deaths on the same Alliance forces that struck against their bases.

 

This explains the "leadership shift" that the codex says "may have taken place" within Cerberus between ME1 and ME2. It also may have been a case of TIM's growing indoctrination subtly influencing his decisions, since it left him in complete and unchallenged control of Cerberus - which, in turn, allowed the organization to turn into what it was in ME3.

[ADLegend21]

I came up with some post mortem headcanons for Ashley, since I'm doing a Kaidan survives trilogy playthrough.

 

• Ashley’s technical scores are the highest in alliance history, untouched for decades until someone bearing the Williams name surpasses them.
• She’s promoted to officer if she died on Virmire, and to Captain if she dies during the final battle on Earth.
• They rename the Phoenix Armor the “Williams” Armor.
• There’s a statue outside of Alliance HQ in Vancouver for her if she perished on Virmire and it’s a good Omen for Anderson that when he’s leaving Vancouver after Shepard departs the statue is untouched.
• In a post war documentary she is dubbed the second most important Alliance Marine after Commander Shepard for her sacrifice on Virmire forcing Saren to play his hand and revealing the Reaper threat.

[CptData]

@DWH: nope, her grandfather isn't dead (confirmed). Ashley's father died a few years ago, but her grandfather isn't subject of most talks she has. Also the first contact war isn't too far in the past, so he could be still alive.

 

I intend to rewrite large parts of the Mass Effect universe, which also includes Cerberus, TIM and his backstory. Lets say I simply don't leave any field untouched but won't put too much energy into those backgrounds (like own books). It's too much stuff for the main story and may distract too much if provided in own chapters / books. Therefore - different, not-too-detailed background for Cerberus, TIM.

 

Basically: TIM is more or less a speciest and above any morale standards. He's dealing with the devil on a daily basis and isn't too shy to bend, break and twist any rules to make his agenda real.

Ashley's grandfather is quite different. The experiences he had with the Turians weren't entirely bad - after all, they ceased fire right after the colony surrendered. General Williams simply did his duty - and saved a lot of lives when he couldn't achieve military victory - by surrendering. So his views on aliens aren't that bad. And he certainly wasn't above the law or looking for ungodly experiments - if Cerberus HAD a good character, good goals, then because of him. Since TIM kicked him out of Cerberus at some point, most redeeming features left with him.

[DWH1982]

@DWH: nope, her grandfather isn't dead (confirmed). Ashley's father died a few years ago, but her grandfather isn't subject of most talks she has. Also the first contact war isn't too far in the past, so he could be still alive.

 

Hmm. I guess I always just assumed he died sometime before ME1. If she actually has a conversation where she says he's alive, that means I need to rework my own head canon, since that means there's no way he could have faked his death prior to ME1.

[CptData]

Hmm. I guess I always just assumed he died sometime before ME1. If she actually has a conversation where she says he's alive, that means I need to rework my own head canon, since that means there's no way he could have faked his death prior to ME1.

 

Nope, she doesn't say anything about her grandfather. Ash has a talk about her father (who never got promoted above serviceman 3rd class), but doesn't mention her grandfather's whereabouts. So you can asume he's dead OR alive, depending on your own idea.

[DWH1982]

One thing that disappointed me about ME3 was that Ash never learned about the role her grandfather played in founding Cerberus.

 

Prior to ME3's release, I figured the comic book was setting something up for the third game. By the time I got to Cronos Station, I thought for sure there'd be some data file or something on the founding of Cerberus. And I was wondering how Ash was going to react.

 

I guess there would have been too many problems with doing something like that. Especially if the revelation was on Cronos, there wouldn't be enough time left in the game to really explore the impact it had on her. Plus, if you have Kaidan alive and not Ash, that whole sub-plot wouldn't mean much of anything.

 

Another way to handle it would be to have Liara dig something up on the founding of Cerberus, then come to Shepard with advice on whether to go to Ash about it. As reluctant as I am to give Liara more screen time, it would be a hell of a decision to make.

[P. Domi]

I'm afraid Ashley Williams' grandfather is dead. Check this video at the 6:00 time marker. When Shepard asks about him, she says "he spent the rest of his life working construction in the colonies". The use of the past tense always led me to believe he was already dead by the time Ash joins the Normandy crew. 

 

[Obvakhi]

I'm afraid Ashley Williams' grandfather is dead. Check this video at the 6:00 time marker. When Shepard asks about him, she says "he spent the rest of his life working construction in the colonies". The use of the past tense always led me to believe he was already dead by the time Ash joins the Normandy crew. 

 

Ugh... why'd that guy have to use such an ugly Shepard?

[CptData]

Well, okay. I still want to change the story in a way General Williams is still alive in 2183

 

Sooo ... something entirely different: ask Ashley about her background! Have an interview with her - you do the questions, I'm answering 'em as Ashley. That's an incredible good exercise for a writer 'cause s/he can dive into his/her characters.

 

Shot!

[DWH1982]

Sooo ... something entirely different: ask Ashley about her background! Have an interview with her - you do the questions, I'm answering 'em as Ashley. That's an incredible good exercise for a writer 'cause s/he can dive into his/her characters.

 

 

When was the first time you realized you wanted to serve in the Alliance military? Did you ever want to do anything else with your life?

[Revan654]

Ugh... why'd that guy have to use such an ugly Shepard?

To you maybe, This is my video and I had allot of requests for the face code for him. Only you have a problem with his face.

[Obvakhi]

To you maybe, This is my video and I had allot of requests for the face code for him. Only you have a problem with his face.

Highly doubt that, instead I've seen more comments disliking your Shepard from your older videos. I even seem to remember you disabled the comments on your old ME1 romance vid, wonder why?

It's a shame, because you're probabaly the only one who has Ashley's complete romance but unfortunately you used a beast for a Shepard and is something only YOU can relate to. Next time just stick with the default, at least he's universal.

[enayasoul]

Am I the only one that told Ashley to go and work with Kirrahe?  My Shepard thought what better way for Ashley to work through her "alien issues" than to work with one.  I always sent Kaidan with the bomb. Nice to see the other variation being played out in the linked video.  Missed you Ash!    

[CrutchCricket]

Highly doubt that, instead I've seen more comments disliking your Shepard from your older videos. I even seem to remember you disabled the comments on your old ME1 romance vid, wonder why?

It's a shame, because you're probabaly the only one who has Ashley's complete romance but unfortunately you used a beast for a Shepard and is something only YOU can relate to. Next time just stick with the default, at least he's universal.

 

He's not that bad.

 

Really I just oppose the standardization of Shepard. You like playing the default, whatever. God knows it's used enough for marketing. But I think custom Sheps become yours in a way the default doesn't. So I sympathize with custom Shepards more, even if they're not mine.

[Revan654]

Highly doubt that, instead I've seen more comments disliking your Shepard from your older videos. I even seem to remember you disabled the comments on your old ME1 romance vid, wonder why?

It's a shame, because you're probabaly the only one who has Ashley's complete romance but unfortunately you used a beast for a Shepard and is something only YOU can relate to. Next time just stick with the default, at least he's universal.

 

 

Iv'e never disabled comments on any of my videos not even once. I think your confusing me with someone else. I don't care for Default Shepard look, It's why I don't use him. None of viewers had a problem with my Shepard. Again we're back where we started only you having issue with him.

 

I suggest you accept it's the Shepard I use and move on, No point aruge these points. Since it's not going to suddenly change the video. Not everyone shares the same taste.

[P. Domi]

Folks, I think the divergent views on Shepard's aspect will lead nowhere except for an unfriendly discussion. Although one may or may not like Revan's Shepard or default Shepard, let's agree to disagree in a cordial manner. It really is just a personal choice and preference in the end.

 

The video I posted was just to illustrate my answer to a few questions posed about Ashley's grandfather whereabouts in the game's timeline. Revan's LP's and ME related videos are really useful for Ashley fans, this channel is really helpful to me every time I need to check some facts about the Mass Effect trilogy and Ashley Williams quickly.

 

Peace  out.

[survivor_686]

Am I the only one that told Ashley to go and work with Kirrahe?  My Shepard thought what better way for Ashley to work through her "alien issues" than to work with one.  I always sent Kaidan with the bomb. Nice to see the other variation being played out in the linked video.  Missed you Ash!    

I too ordered Ashley to go with Kirahee's team.

 

For one I thought her uber-soldier skillset would compliment the 'squishy' salarians. Also I'd thought the responsibility of escorting and arming a nuclear device should be left to a commissioned officer.

[survivor_686]

Here is damned good Ashley art:

 

Credit to MyCKs of deviant art

 

 

PS: I know am late with my mod. My mouse crapped out and I just got my internet fixed. Meshes and textures are. Am struggling with the armour preview images, but am considering just uploading the files as is and asking someone better with photoshop to do so.

[DWH1982]

Am I the only one that told Ashley to go and work with Kirrahe?  My Shepard thought what better way for Ashley to work through her "alien issues" than to work with one.  I always sent Kaidan with the bomb. Nice to see the other variation being played out in the linked video.  Missed you Ash!    

 

Sending her with Kirrahe is standard for me. It seems more appropriate to have the combat specialist go with that team while the tech specialist takes care of the bomb.

 

I justify saving her by saying that Shepard is going after both Ash and the salarians - more lives can be saved doing that, so it's simple math, Plus the salarians are a crack STG team that could be useful in the future. Of course, the salarians survive no matter who you save, but there's no way for Shepard to know that.

 

Of course, the reasonable solution would be to leave whoever isn't with you from the main squad with Kaidan, plus maybe a few extra marines from the Normandy, so that his position wouldn't be overrun before the Normandy could double back to get them. But, yeah... 

[Revan654]

Some New Art work

 

 

Source: deviantart

[kalikilic]

I think i'll miss her so badly from the next mass effect game, if she isn't in it. :(

 

personally in my playthru it felt like, the things she did in ME3 put her in a great position to become as big a protagonist as shepard was. I mean, its said enough in the past that the treatment of her in ME3 could have been better. but with how it turned out to be, potentially speaking, she was poised to take up a much bigger role in a next game, if she was in it. she could have been great.

[CptData]

When was the first time you realized you wanted to serve in the Alliance military? Did you ever want to do anything else with your life?

 

Ashley: Hmmm ... it's a family tradition, you know? My father served in the Alliance, my grandfather, my grandmother - and before that, before founding of the Alliance, my great-grandfather was fighting for the US Army. So I can't say WHEN I felt ready for the Alliance military - it just felt right. Now that I think about it, it was a really tough decision. My father never made it beyond serviceman 3rd class. He didn't discourage me to join the Alliance military, but he also told me it won't be easy. "Be better than the best, just to avoid suspicions" - that's what he said. I always saw this as some kind of challenge. Joining the guys who have you on their blacklist? Taking every single crap job just to get recognition BEYOND your name? Doesn't sound like a dream career, right? Well, it paid off. Best moment in my life? When my dad stood up and saluted to me. And for that one moment, it was worth to get through all that. Never wanted something different since then.

 

 

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