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[DWH1982]

Whatever they do with the new Mass Effect, I hope it won't require co-op play in order to fully experience the "story" part of the game. That seems to be the trend with a lot of stuff, and it would be problematic for me since I have a limited time frame each week for gaming (basically just Saturday afternoons) and, really, no one who's interested in doing it with me.

 

I would love a Mass Effect game that ties up the loose ends with the characters, but it's not what I expect. Probably things will be far in the future, and we'll only hear the occasional reference to Shepard and crew as "legend." Assuming it even takes place after ME3.

 

Selecting a canon ending is possible, but I'm not sure I trust Bioware to do that. Not sure what I'd do if they made synthesis canon. I really hate synthesis. Yet, that's supposed to be the "good" ending, at least according to Mac Walters.

 

What I'd really love is something that retcons the ending to ME3 entirely, or for Bioware to do a surprise "new ending/ME 4 lead in" DLC for ME3 right before ME4 is released. However, I don't think that will happen at all. DLC for ME3 is finished, and BIoware seems really committed to the endings.

 

Also, there's not enough Ash in the forum right now:

 

[themikefest]

I would not be surprised if the next game makes no reference to the trilogy or characters at all.

 

I'm looking forward to the game after the one Montreal releases. I believe if(and a very big if) Shepard were to come back, that would be the game to do it. Bioware would have plenty of time to come up with new stories and missions.

 

If you do an ME3 default playthrough and Bioware uses that as an import, ME2 characters would be excluded and it would only be ME1 characters(Ashley/Kaidan could be dead) in the game. We didn't see any closure for those characters. Only what folks put in fanfic and headcanon.

 

If they use an import from ME2 into ME3, all ME2 characters, including Garrus and Tali, could be dead along with Ashley/Kaidan and no Javik. It would just be Liara and James. If everyone is alive, I see only Miranda and Jack, since they're LI's, along with the ME1 characters in the game. All ME2 characters get what looks to be closure in the slides.

 

The only reason I would want Shepard to come back is for closure. That's all.

 

Seeing Ashley again could, and again I say a very big could/if, be possible. Only time will tell.

[DWH1982]

Part of me wonders if they might just use the Mass Effect setting, but make the game completely divergent from the original trilogy. Basically - all the same races, governments, worlds, etc, but Shepard, his crew, and the Reapers don't exist. It's another option for them, one that would sidestep the issues with the ending and the fate of Shepard and crew, but it's also something that I'd have mixed feelings about.

 

On another subject... any thoughts on what Ash and Shepard would be like married? I know most of us assume they end up together after the war, but I wonder what kind of married couple they'd be like, especially after several years.

 

In my head canon, Shepard eventually ends up on the Council. We all know how Ash feels about politicians, so I think it's a little ironic that she'd end up being married to one, and I wonder if it would cause tension. He doesn't exactly ask to be on the Council, he mostly ends up being selected as a consensus pick and because he was already heavily involved in trying to end a salarian civil war that breaks out after the Reapers. But still... technically he's a politician. 

[SGT NOOBSTER]

I have something similiar with mine. The Salarians essentially become an isolated state, due to the lack of support during the war and general distrust from everyone else because of it.

 

As for Shep and Ash, they stay with the Alliance for about 10 more years then retire. And as a nice "Thanks for your service" gift, they keep the Normandy. Because you know the Alliance is bound to improve upon the Normandy's design and have at least one new "Normandy" class ship.

[Gkonone]

A Shep and Ash marriage would either mean them resigning from their respective duties and just chilling and enjoying an early retirement (with their positions and salary that should be an option) or both getting back to the action I'd say. Although I see them having a lot of kids and going for that retirement. I think Ashley appreciates family and family values a lot and she'd want to start a family of her own.

Then again, they're both soldiers at heart and they're both very driven.

 

I think in the new game there will only be a small reference to Shepard and what happened in the trilogy but most likely there won't be any mention of it at all. Like a clean slate, or a prequel.

 

For me Shepard's story never should have ended the way it did. I would have gladly played at least one more game as that awesome commander with that fine crew I've come to love over all those years. I feel there was/is a lot of potential left in continuing Shepard's story. But that ship has sailed

I would be over the moon if Bioware trolled us though, and announced a return of Shepard in ME4, with Ash of course.

[Gkonone]

Btw, this is such an awesome picture of them together.

 

[SGT NOOBSTER]

I agree with you.

 

And on the preceding pages there is a lot of really good Ash art/ pics.

[kalikilic]

bioware trolling us and bringing back shepard?/ hmmm....I suppose I'd be generally happy, but the degree to which I'd be happy would depend heavily on how they went about doing that.

 

but I am more and more inclined to believe that the new game is divergent of shepard and ash. you gotta remember Ash is the 2nd human spectre. she would be recognize too and referred to as a sort of legend who fought alongside shepard. yea...they'll be legends referred to every now and then in the new game.

[SGT NOOBSTER]

bioware trolling us and bringing back shepard?/ hmmm....I suppose I'd be generally happy, but the degree to which I'd be happy would depend heavily on how they went about doing that.

 

but I am more and more inclined to believe that the new game is divergent of shepard and ash. you gotta remember Ash is the 2nd human spectre. she would be recognize too and referred to as a sort of legend who fought alongside shepard. yea...they'll be legends referred to every now and then in the new game.

 

I agree. You know there is no Shepard without Ashley. Or Vakarian.

 

 

Or Wrex. Or really any one of the team. (Post Virmire)

[bfoore]

I have something similiar with mine. The Salarians essentially become an isolated state, due to the lack of support during the war and general distrust from everyone else because of it.

 

As for Shep and Ash, they stay with the Alliance for about 10 more years then retire. And as a nice "Thanks for your service" gift, they keep the Normandy. Because you know the Alliance is bound to improve upon the Normandy's design and have at least one new "Normandy" class ship.

Man I was soooo frustrated with the end of Mass Effect 3 that for the past year I have been writing a fanfic centered around Ashley and my Shepard after the war. The gist of it is, my Shepard gets retrieved and is alive and Ashley later finds out shes pregnant from their night prior to the assault on Cronos station. They eventually move in together whilst both still working for the Alliance. I Don't want to be give to much away because I'm still working on it but she has a girl, they then get married and eventually down the road have another child, a boy.Its actually pretty cool and I get a lot of closure from it

[survivor_686]

Hang on a second...Is MW confirmed for ME4 or is her working on their 'new IP'? Cos I didn't see his ridiculous beret during the ME4 video.

[DWH1982]

I thought I read somewhere that he's involved with ME4 in a leadership capacity. Don't take my word for it, but it is what I seem to recall hearing.

[SGT NOOBSTER]

Man I was soooo frustrated with the end of Mass Effect 3 that for the past year I have been writing a fanfic centered around Ashley and my Shepard after the war. The gist of it is, my Shepard gets retrieved and is alive and Ashley later finds out shes pregnant from their night prior to the assault on Cronos station. They eventually move in together whilst both still working for the Alliance. I Don't want to be give to much away because I'm still working on it but she has a girl, they then get married and eventually down the road have another child, a boy.Its actually pretty cool and I get a lot of closure from it

 

Nice. I am working on something similiar. I have two characters whose story starts well before ME1. They meet certain squad members along they way (without breaking any continuity).

 

This way I can have my own little story going inside of the ME setting, interact with everyone, explain what Ashley does in between ME1-2 and 2-3, and eventually through the end of the Reaper War. And a little past it.

 

HA HA I make my own closure!! For Shep and Ash. And everyone else, too.

[SGT NOOBSTER]

I thought I read somewhere that he's involved with ME4 in a leadership capacity. Don't take my word for it, but it is what I seem to recall hearing.

 

I think Mac Walters is part of the "Design Team". What that is exactly I have no clue.

[bfoore]

Nice. I am working on something similiar. I have two characters whose story starts well before ME1. They meet certain squad members along they way (without breaking any continuity).

 

This way I can have my own little story going inside of the ME setting, interact with everyone, explain what Ashley does in between ME1-2 and 2-3, and eventually through the end of the Reaper War. And a little past it.

 

HA HA I make my own closure!! For Shep and Ash. And everyone else, too.

Thats the only way to do it man. I'd honestly be interested in reading it if you have it on any fanfic websites. On mine tho, I haven't created any characters or anything and I've tried not leaving any of the old crew out but early on it mostly revolves around Shepard dealing with his decision at the end of ME3 to destroy all synthetic life as well as still dealing with the loss of Anderson. He almost has PTSD and Ash helps him through it alot and eventually he comes to terms with what happened and accepts what happened. It can be kinda dark at times but at the same time its kinda mostly sappy goodness of Shepard and Ashley adjusting to life outside the military and preparing to be parents. My only problem tho and I'm open to suggestions from anyone is figuring out whats a good role in the Alliance for Shepard and Ashley post ME3? I had Ashley as a commander and a field officer before finding out shes prego, taking out pirates and mercs in the beginning but I'm having trouble figuring out something for later. 

[SGT NOOBSTER]

Mine is still in the first draft kind of stage. Right now everything that I have is more in a script form, mostly so I can just write and have a little fun. Worry about refining it later, if I decide to put it up on some fanfic place.

 

 

As for Ash and Shep Post ME3, in my own experience, when people in the military start a family (and both are active duty) one or sometimes both will take a Training postition or the dreaded "desk" job. That way they don't have to pick up and move their family quite as often. I see Shep and Ash doing something similiar when they start a family.

[bfoore]

Yeah, thats actually what I got going for them. I have Ash taking a training position in the Alliance, preparing a "new breed" of Alliance soldier (can't see her sitting at a desk) and I have Shepard still working for the Alliance as part of a N7 task force with James Vega and occasionally Garrus for old times sake, but hes not gone for months at a time, usually no more than a few days. I was gonna have Ash just do N7 missions or stay in active service with Shepard but I can't see her leaving her child(ren) for a few days/months at a time after what she had experienced with her father in the Alliance. Early on in the story once she tells Shepard shes expecting, I have them make a commitment to be actively present in their child's life because I thought that would be something Ash would do. My original idea was for them to live on Eden Prime or some colony world but I just can't see them lounging around doing nothing post-war, I just see it as kind of out of character for either of them. But mine is kinda in the rough draft stage as well, I like sitting around and editing it or adding on specific scenes. I usually read it after I'm done with a playthrough just so I can get some closure to my canon. Its been real fun writing it, almost like I get full creative control over my two favorite characters in Mass Effect.

[CptData]

There's so much stuff to talk about post-war, bfoore - so every fanfic expanding the universe is welcome

 

Despite not being nowhere close to finish anything anytime soon, one thing is for sure already: Ash won't get pregnant in one night - I think that doesn't fit her character being that careless and not using some kind of protection (same for Shepard) in the middle of a war. Just my idea about her. There's plenty of time post-war doing that stuff - and I fear, post-war era won't be peaceful, thanks to some selfish species like the Salarians (cure sabotage) and the Asari (they knew what was coming). In short: situation is still bad, 'though not as bad as it was with the Reapers around. And Shepard is still needed, despite his heavy PTSD issues. At times like this, it's Ash, but also Garrus and Joker who can keep this guy working.

[bfoore]

There's so much stuff to talk about post-war, bfoore - so every fanfic expanding the universe is welcome

 

Despite not being nowhere close to finish anything anytime soon, one thing is for sure already: Ash won't get pregnant in one night - I think that doesn't fit her character being that careless and not using some kind of protection (same for Shepard) in the middle of a war. Just my idea about her. There's plenty of time post-war doing that stuff - and I fear, post-war era won't be peaceful, thanks to some selfish species like the Salarians (cure sabotage) and the Asari (they knew what was coming). In short: situation is still bad, 'though not as bad as it was with the Reapers around. And Shepard is still needed, despite his heavy PTSD issues. At times like this, it's Ash, but also Garrus and Joker who can keep this guy working.

I never said that it was planned tho, Ashley is a girl that probably does things by the book and according to a plan but in this case, they kind of slip up and even acknowledged early on that it was not part of their plan. But they alter their lives to adapt to the situation and embrace it. My galaxy is nowhere near peaceful either, in my opinion, nothing is ever peaceful. Peace is only a gleeful delusion used by governments to push their agenda. My galaxy doesn't have any Reaper scale enemies mind you, I couldn't come up with something that could top that and I doubt Bioware can even top them with their next game. My galaxy makes use of the pirate and merc concepts from the first and second game, except theyve begun using stolen Reaper Tech to further advance themselves to stop the Alliance/Council races. I wish i could think of a "galaxy wide" threat like the reapers but anything I could possibly think of would simply rehash and rip-off the Reapers. Again, I'll take suggestions/tips from anyone who likes my idea. 

[Gkonone]

There's so much stuff to talk about post-war, bfoore - so every fanfic expanding the universe is welcome

 

Despite not being nowhere close to finish anything anytime soon, one thing is for sure already: Ash won't get pregnant in one night - I think that doesn't fit her character being that careless and not using some kind of protection (same for Shepard) in the middle of a war. Just my idea about her. There's plenty of time post-war doing that stuff - and I fear, post-war era won't be peaceful, thanks to some selfish species like the Salarians (cure sabotage) and the Asari (they knew what was coming). In short: situation is still bad, 'though not as bad as it was with the Reapers around. And Shepard is still needed, despite his heavy PTSD issues. At times like this, it's Ash, but also Garrus and Joker who can keep this guy working.

That's a thing that struck me in a Citadel dlc video I saw some time ago of someone where Shepard didn't romance Ashley. She was getting flirty with James. I found it very weird as I had never pictured him being someone Ash would be interested in, perhaps she had one too many, or there is more to that guy (or it's bad story telling). I always saw Ashley as a mostly serious woman when it comes to relationships, not the flirty kind. A bit hard to get as well perhaps, a bit insecure at times, keeping her distance, being watchful of people's intentions. But once she opens up, there is a lot of love.

 

I guess what I'm saying is, if she can get with James, despite or thanks to a lot of alcohol, accidents can happen, she may not be as cautious as she seems. Maybe I'm biased, I never liked James, he always seemed kinda shallow to me, not the type of guy Ashley would be attracted to. 

[DWH1982]

If I understand it correctly, she and James flirt, but she only ends up sleeping with James if Shepard gives her a push in that direction. As with everything else in the Mass Effect universe, it all comes down to Shepard.

 

Everyone can do what they want with their post war head canon, but I'm with Data on this - I don't see either of them being sloppy when it comes to birth control. By 2186, I also imagine there are options available that would make it difficult to impossible to screw up in that way. For example, we already have implantable devices. Imagine how much more advanced something like that will be, how much easier and effective it will be to use, 172 years from now.

 

As I said, though, everyone is free to do their own head canon. if that's what works for you, stick with it. In mine, Ash and Shepard don't have kids until years after the war. At that point, they're married, Shepard has been in a desk job overseeing Spectre ops for the Council for quite some time, and Ash has taken a position that's mostly based on the Citadel.

[bfoore]

Yeah and that only happens during the crazy party, she completely stays away from him during the more relaxed party. Even then, Citadel is just simple fanservice and not to be taken seriously by any means. It has no real effect on gameplay, the story, or dialogue of any matter. Hell, if you're not locked in a romance with her, she'll still flirt with James during that DLC and the romance with Shepard will still progress as if it never happened because Citadel doesn't effect anything. Its nonsense, fanservice to fans by bioware/EA after ****** up the ending. I like James, I don't like him with Ashley at all. They don't really have alot of chemistry or don't really fit each others personality, plus James has a stick up his ass about protocol and relationships in the military. Ashley is also a very stern and serious woman, yeah I can see her letting her hair down and having fun here and there but not to the extent of a one night stand, its just not in her character that she makes herself out to be in ME1. But then again, her original writer left after ME1 and I wasn't much of a fan of how they wrote her character in 3 and I find that she kinda got shafted in favor of Liara. I still look past it but only because I like Ashley alot and adore her character.

[themikefest]

Who knows. Mother nature has a funny way of creeping up on you when you least expect it.

 

With James and Ashley. I can see it happening. I like their dialogue when they're in the elevator before you fight the clone.

[DWH1982]

I like the Citadel DLC, personally.

 

I do think that it's correct that the new writer didn't quite get Ash's personality nailed down. I think mostly it was correct, but there were parts that were off. In general, there wasn't enough of her, and what there was focused too much on one or two elements of her personality (her trust issues, her family).

 

The biggest mistake was getting her drunk on the Normandy. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if it hadn't been in the middle of the Rannoch missions - meaning she got drunk at a critical juncture of the Normandy's mission in a combat zone. That was just way off base in terms of her personality, and something about ME3 I wish I could change.

 

At the very least, they could have waited until after the Rannoch situation was resolved.

[themikefest]

Yeah. That drunk scene didn't fit with her character at all. I understand letting off some steam, but the way it was done was bad.

 

I do like her drinking contest with femshep in the dlc. Femshep calling Ashley princess was cool. The look from Ashley was priceless.