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[ashlover mark 2]

I think it was a mixture of popularity, and the rushed development of ME3 that is the cause of Ashleys lack of content. She was popular enough to return as a squad member but also unpoular enough to screw over in favor of other more beloved characters. Imagine if Garrus or Liara got the same treatment as Ash in ME3. The game would receive far more criticism beyond haveing a poorly written ending and a atrocious plot if that happened.

[Gkonone]

Weird, I haven't been getting any messages through the mail when there are updates in this thread for a while now. I've been following this thread for a long time.

Is this a known bug?

 

That picture from a page ago doesn't really belong in this thread, it's against the forum rules afaik.

Apart from that, meh, not liking that depiction. I like women as much as the next guy, but it feels weird seeing her like that.

Makes her look a bit cheap/sleezy.

[DWH1982]

I always figured Ash might wear something like that once, say for Shepard's birthday, if Shepard prodded her to enough. It is, after all, a reference to something she once said (the "tin foil miniskirt" comment from ME1) and I always viewed them as a couple with a sense of humor.

 

However, if it were to happen, it's not anything anyone else would ever find out about, at least not if Shepard values having his man bits intact.

 

Also, I'd like to point out, again, that Gkonone is entirely correct that the version posted violates forum rules, and ask that the original posters change to the safe for work version before they get in trouble, or get the thread in trouble.

[kalikilic]

getting back into ME since i purchased inquisition (my first ever dragon age game) and immediately regretted it when i attempted to play. what a disappointment.

[kalikilic]

where's my manners? I return and don't post an ash pic? shame on me!  

 

[kalikilic]

i'm absolutely smitten by the look on her face there....sigh...i just melt.

[Rusted Cage]

I always figured Ash might wear something like that once, say for Shepard's birthday, if Shepard prodded her to enough. It is, after all, a reference to something she once said (the "tin foil miniskirt" comment from ME1) and I always viewed them as a couple with a sense of humor.

 

However, if it were to happen, it's not anything anyone else would ever find out about, at least not if Shepard values having his man bits intact.

 

Also, I'd like to point out, again, that Gkonone is entirely correct that the version posted violates forum rules, and ask that the original posters change to the safe for work version before they get in trouble, or get the thread in trouble.

You two need to take a look at the Liara thread sometime. They can get away with some explicit stuff, so can we. I'll delete the image seeing as two of you are getting jittery, if I can replace the image with one of Ash sniping the head of some Cerberus grunt I will do so - violence like that is a lot more socially acceptable than a pair of breasts.

[DWH1982]

You two need to take a look at the Liara thread sometime. They can get away with some explicit stuff, so can we. I'll delete the image seeing as two of you are getting jittery, if I can replace the image with one of Ash sniping the head of some Cerberus grunt I will do so - violence like that is a lot more socially acceptable than a pair of breasts.

 

We don't create social moores. We also don't create the rules for the forum.

 

I think we just want to avoid seeing the thread get in trouble. Just because Bioware isn't enforcing the rules now doesn't mean that they'll always be so lax in the future. If they ever decide to swoop in here and start cracking heads - which is something they can do anytime they choose - I think it might be nice for us not to have anything on here they can use against us.

 

It's up to you whether you replace the picture. Also up to you what you replace it with. Though my personal preference would be the safe for work version of the same picture. Which I even provided a link to.

[Rusted Cage]

We don't create social moores. We also don't create the rules for the forum.

 

I think we just want to avoid seeing the thread get in trouble. Just because Bioware isn't enforcing the rules now doesn't mean that they'll always be so lax in the future. If they ever decide to swoop in here and start cracking heads - which is something they can do anytime they choose - I think it might be nice for us not to have anything on here they can use against us.

 

It's up to you whether you replace the picture. Also up to you what you replace it with. Though my personal preference would be the safe for work version of the same picture. Which I even provided a link to.

I do see your point and while I think everything you say is correct, the absurdity of one part of the reason why you are astounds me. As you point out it is a societal taboo, one which I forgot may be more prevalent in your own country or culture. In my country roughly 50% of the population have breasts while less than 1% have (probably) ever killed anyone with a gun. Yet it seems artwork of the former is taboo yet a stylized picture of the latter is more acceptable to whoever wrote these rules. It seems a bit bass ackwards to me.

 

The best selling daily newspaper in Great Britain (The Sun) has a topless model on page three and you don't need to prove your age to purchase a copy. Therefore the image I posted is most certainly safe for work here. Considering I clicked the "international" button when I logged into bioware.com, you can see why posting such a picture wouldn't trigger any suspicion I might be in breach of any rules. Of course, if it was a picture of Ash giving Shepard a gobby then that would be another matter.

 

I can't help thinking it would be hypocritical for Bioware to start enforcing such rules over so small an issue considering how progressive their own entertainment media is. The hippie in me can't resist the opportunity to challenge conventional values which is why I may appear to be agitated. Also, I think it would be extremely heavy handed, tyrannical even, to close the entire thread over the actions of one individual (me).

So worry not, any reasonable society will hold me responsible for my own actions. Hypothetically, if they were to punish you for my transgressions, wouldn't that absolve me of my crime to some degree, or would the blame for your punishment land squarely on my shoulders rather than the perpetrators of an unjust system?

 

I think you should have the honour of posting the safe for work picture and getting the thread back on track seeing as you did the hard work.

[kalikilic]

Less talk, moar ash please.

 

[Gkonone]

I do see your point and while I think everything you say is correct, the absurdity of one part of the reason why you are astounds me. As you point out it is a societal taboo, one which I forgot may be more prevalent in your own country or culture. In my country roughly 50% of the population have breasts while less than 1% have (probably) ever killed anyone with a gun. Yet it seems artwork of the former is taboo yet a stylized picture of the latter is more acceptable to whoever wrote these rules. It seems a bit bass ackwards to me.

 

The best selling daily newspaper in Great Britain (The Sun) has a topless model on page three and you don't need to prove your age to purchase a copy. Therefore the image I posted is most certainly safe for work here. Considering I clicked the "international" button when I logged into bioware.com, you can see why posting such a picture wouldn't trigger any suspicion I might be in breach of any rules. Of course, if it was a picture of Ash giving Shepard a gobby then that would be another matter.

 

I can't help thinking it would be hypocritical for Bioware to start enforcing such rules over so small an issue considering how progressive their own entertainment media is. The hippie in me can't resist the opportunity to challenge conventional values which is why I may appear to be agitated. Also, I think it would be extremely heavy handed, tyrannical even, to close the entire thread over the actions of one individual (me).

So worry not, any reasonable society will hold me responsible for my own actions. Hypothetically, if they were to punish you for my transgressions, wouldn't that absolve me of my crime to some degree, or would the blame for your punishment land squarely on my shoulders rather than the perpetrators of an unjust system?

 

I think you should have the honour of posting the safe for work picture and getting the thread back on track seeing as you did the hard work.

I get what you're trying to say here, but I don't feel that's relevant in this context, at least that's how I see it. The reason I don't like that picture is mostly because it cheapens a character of a franchise that has never been about sexual, explicit content. There are scenes in the game that show intimacy but they are displayed in a tasteful way, and never are gratuitous. They're just part of the immersion, to make social interaction and relations believable and engaging.

Just because half of our population has boobs etc doesn't mean we have to see them everywhere. There's a time and a place for that, not here.

 

Anyway, I'm not a moderator, I don't decide what people can or can not post so not gonna be an arbiter here. That's up to Bioware, and if they're not consistent, that's up to them.

[DWH1982]

Just to get things back on track... Any idea what kind of Christmas presents Ash likes?

 

 I think Shepard is going to get Ash a nice hoodie for Christmas this year:

 

 

Speaking of Christmas... I wonder if we'll hear anything about ME Next this month. I seem to remember that a trailer for ME3 was released around Christmas 2010. Would be nice to have a few more details to give us a better idea if there might be a role for Ash to play in it (even though I think that's extremely unlikely).

[Gkonone]

Those are very nice, never seen them before. And lets get it back on track yes.

It's interesting, haven't played the games for a while now, but when I see those pictures, it does make me miss the game.

I think the thought of not seeing her back in the new installment is a bit overwhelming right now, and Shepard for that matter. Time will tell.

 

I'll always have the original trilogy ofcourse and I'm sure I'll start another playthrough again. 

[ashlover mark 2]

I don't think it's extremely unlikely that Ash won't appear in ME4. It depends on when and where the story is set I guess. I would bet money that It takes place at the same time as the trilogy though. 

[themikefest]

If Ashley were available for the mission on Sur'kesh and Kirrahe was there, do you believe Ashley would say anything and if so, any idea what she would say?

The reason why I ask is because only her, Kaidan and Tali are guaranteed to meet him whereas the others are not, but yet they're not available for that mission.

[Rusted Cage]

I get what you're trying to say here, but I don't feel that's relevant in this context, at least that's how I see it. The reason I don't like that picture is mostly because it cheapens a character of a franchise that has never been about sexual, explicit content. There are scenes in the game that show intimacy but they are displayed in a tasteful way, and never are gratuitous. They're just part of the immersion, to make social interaction and relations believable and engaging.

Just because half of our population has boobs etc doesn't mean we have to see them everywhere. There's a time and a place for that, not here.

 

Anyway, I'm not a moderator, I don't decide what people can or can not post so not gonna be an arbiter here. That's up to Bioware, and if they're not consistent, that's up to them.

Okay, so we're cool?

 

 

 

Just to get things back on track... Any idea what kind of Christmas presents Ash likes?

 

 I think Shepard is going to get Ash a nice hoodie for Christmas this year:

 

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Speaking of Christmas... I wonder if we'll hear anything about ME Next this month. I seem to remember that a trailer for ME3 was released around Christmas 2010. Would be nice to have a few more details to give us a better idea if there might be a role for Ash to play in it (even though I think that's extremely unlikely).

Cool picture. As for Christmas, I noticed Amazon have the Library Edition vol 2 available for pre-order for May 2015. I wonder if they have announced it here yet (I'm slow with news so this might not be news to you) and if not if it's going to be part of a larger announcement.

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If Ashley were available for the mission on Sur'kesh and Kirrahe was there, do you believe Ashley would say anything and if so, any idea what she would say?

The reason why I ask is because only her, Kaidan and Tali are guaranteed to meet him whereas the others are not, but yet they're not available for that mission.

Interesting thought. In most ME playthroughs I send Ashley with Kirrahe's team, deciding in my arrogance that "it would be good for her." Also, the person I send with the salarian's is normally the one fated to survive because of the Saren neck-grab lift. So I think if Ash had any lines they'd be brief but complimentary, maybe about STG military tactics or something.

 

Expanding on that thought, it would have been a nice opportunity in game to maybe reference or hint at some of the things she was up to during Shepard's "death" or incarceration, how she used one of those tactics in an opp or something.

[DWH1982]

I don't think it's extremely unlikely that Ash won't appear in ME4. It depends on when and where the story is set I guess. I would bet money that It takes place at the same time as the trilogy though. 

 

If the next game is set at the same time as the trilogy, I think that would actually be a nice chance to see what she was up to between ME1 and ME3. They didn't really explain that at all in ME3, so maybe the new main character would get to interact with her as sort of a non teammate NPC during one or more missions, allowing us a chance to finally see what she was doing during that time.

 

I'm afraid I'm still skeptical she'll be in the game at all, though. I don't think she's popular enough with the fans and I'm honestly not sure the writers like writing for her that much. The Virmire Survivor will probably not play a role in the game, and I really think that all of the "canon" content that will ever exist for Ash already exists.

 

In any event, it would be nice if they released at least some basic information on setting, so we can at least know whether it will be possible. 

 

If Ashley were available for the mission on Sur'kesh and Kirrahe was there, do you believe Ashley would say anything and if so, any idea what she would say?

The reason why I ask is because only her, Kaidan and Tali are guaranteed to meet him whereas the others are not, but yet they're not available for that mission.

 

Like Rusted Cage, I always send Ash with the salarians on Virmire, so it would make for an interesting scene. Probably it would be a few lines of dialogue, though, like "nice to see you again. It was a pleasure working with you." I'm not sure if the games keep track of who you sent with the salarians, but it would be cool if the game could change bits and pieces of the dialogue to suit that - like "Lt Commander Williams. If I recall, I still owe you one for drawing fire off of me." Or, "From what I hear, you've been in a few tighter spots than the one we were in on Virmire. Looks like you've come out of them okay."

[ashlover mark 2]

After playing DA:I and seeing how it dealt with past protagonist's I would love to see something like that for Shepard and Ash in ME4.

[Gkonone]

Okay, so we're cool?

We're totally cool. And you presented interesting arguments, but lets leave those for another place and time. 

The only thing upsetting right now is the fact we'll probably not see her in ME4. Something that's been bugging me for a while although I haven't played the games in a long time. So the feeling lessens. Also got a lot of other games to play now.

 

Although, I still wouldn't be surprised if ME5 (whenever and if that gets released) will revisit Shepard.

Like they did with Masterchief from the Halo series.

[ashlover mark 2]

^^ Exactly. I'm pretty sure we'll see Shepard again someday.

[Rusted Cage]

 

We're totally cool. And you presented interesting arguments, but lets leave those for another place and time. 

The only thing upsetting right now is the fact we'll probably not see her in ME4. Something that's been bugging me for a while although I haven't played the games in a long time. So the feeling lessens. Also got a lot of other games to play now.

 

Although, I still wouldn't be surprised if ME5 (whenever and if that gets released) will revisit Shepard.

Like they did with Masterchief from the Halo series.

 

Awesome sauce! Here's more Ash:

 

[themikefest]

^^ Exactly. I'm pretty sure we'll see Shepard again someday.

Its possible. I would like to see Shepard again

http://forum.bioware...0#entry17303042

[survivor_686]

Me thinks that Bioware will treat Shepard in ME4 as they did for the Warden of DA Origins. A cameo at most, with their romanced partner beside them:

 

ME4 will probably take place in a galaxy that is rebuilding itself after the Reaper War. The main conflict will probably be two races (Turians vs the asari, with krogan, quarians and/or geth taking opposing sides) whom are racing to acquaire resources (new worlds, recovered reaper tech and/or lost planets). Humanity will probably be a neutral party trying to decide whether to throw its hat into the fight or try and take advantage of the chaos. 

 

Scenarios for a ME4 Shepard:

 

1. Destroy - Shepard will likely be a politically powerful person (i.e. Councillor, Prime Minister, Head of Spectre operations or Alliance Special Forces) who paragon/renegade score will determine their responses (i.e. Paragon, Spacer Shepard believes that the Navy should focus on surgical strikes to guard its interests, whilst a Renegade / Colonial Shepard believes that launching an all-out invasion is the best course)

 

2. Control - Shepard appears as a hologram to the players, from an previously dormant piece of reaper tech. A paragon Shepard will express hope that organics will be able to achieve consensus and encourages the players, whilst a renegade Shepard will warn the player that if they fail the reapers will wrest control.

 

3. Synthesis - No. Just no.

[DWH1982]

I think Mac Walters considers synthesis to be the "best" ending, and he's involved with ME 4. So, if the next game takes place after ME3, I fully expect synthesis to be in there somewhere. It might even end up as the "canon" ending.

 

I'd prefer something that dumps the ending to ME3 altogether, but I think it's clear we're never going to have that. Walters and the rest of their team have more or less dug in their heels and are now super invested in those endings. Honestly, it has me a bit worried - as much as I'd prefer a sequel, part of me wonders if we might not be better off with a "sidequal," something set during the ME2 or ME3 time period, because I have my concerns about what the team might do with the ME universe and characters in a post ME3 era.

 

I want a sequel, but the thing is, it has to be done right.

[ashlover mark 2]

Bioware has said that they want to make a story that Doesn't relate to Shepard. With that in mind it seems unlikely that this new ME will be set post Reaper war, as there is no way to not have the story relate to Shepard in some way. His actions and the subsequent consequences are just to large and far reaching. I don't think Bioware's ready to tackle them so soon.