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[Gkonone]

Having not played the games in a while now, I lost some interest in the franchise although I would still love to see Shepard and at least the core of the old crew back. Yeah, I know most people don't share those sentiments, I can dream. Knowing Shep won't be back in ME4 is probably a big reason I'm not that interested in it, but you never know, it might turn out to be great and I'll forget all about the old crew. I doubt it though. No Ash in ME4 is though, meh.

 

I loved the reunion with some of the old crew members in ME2, walking through the new Normandy, just felt like home. It would be awesome to see a new Normandy in ME5 or whenever they'll decide to bring Shepard back. I'm almost positive they will. I see Shepard as Master Chief, central to the franchise.

[Gkonone]

God I love this tune from ME2, imagining having a good time dancing with Ash with my Shep,

 

And happy new year all!

[Jaron Oberyn]

Bioware has said that they want to make a story that Doesn't relate to Shepard. With that in mind it seems unlikely that this new ME will be set post Reaper war, as there is no way to not have the story relate to Shepard in some way. His actions and the subsequent consequences are just to large and far reaching. I don't think Bioware's ready to tackle them so soon.

 

They could retcon it in a way by having it set a couple hundred years after ME3. Some things might "normalize" at that point, and it would still make sense with the returning character comment as some species can live for hundreds of years. Just a thought.

[ashlover mark 2]

They could retcon it in a way by having it set a couple hundred years after ME3. Some things might "normalize" at that point, and it would still make sense with the returning character comment as some species can live for hundreds of years. Just a thought.

I don't know, it would be kinda hard to swallow a recton of synthesis (not that i ever choose that solution) that's a pretty big change. Also, they can't do it with everything because we'd all start to go "yeah... What exactly was the point of Mass Effect 3?"

[StayFrosty05]

I have been playing ME1 again, haven't played it in a long time, but decided to fiddle with a new Shep idea...I never liked Ash in ME1, but love her in ME3...no, nothing to do with her new appearance, as a female gamer boobs and *ss are lost on me, what I love is her ME3 attitude. But am finding this ME1 game I am quite taken by Ash, the moment she dropped the line, "Oh, shoot me" when Shep overhears her sister commenting on Kaiden, I was suddenly sold on her ... makes me wonder how I missed these moments with her in ME1 beforehand...I think perhaps maybe I can see where the ME3 Ash appears from now and thus seeing ME1 Ash in a new light.

Yes, I know she is not a bigot, have known that for a long time, simply just wasn't sold on her personality myself...if people take the time to actually listen to what she says in ME1 instead of jumping the gun, it would be realized she isn't 'speciest', just cautious.

As for her ME3 appearance, I see some pics on here of Ash sporting a loose bun, some escaped tendrils of hair, that does look really good on Ash ...I wish BW had done that, the loose hair on Ash and Miranda in combat looks silly.

[Rusted Cage]

I have been playing ME1 again, haven't played it in a long time, but decided to fiddle with a new Shep idea...I never liked Ash in ME1, but love her in ME3...no, nothing to do with her new appearance, as a female gamer boobs and *ss are lost on me, what I love is her ME3 attitude. But am finding this ME1 game I am quite taken by Ash, the moment she dropped the line, "Oh, shoot me" when Shep overhears her sister commenting on Kaiden, I was suddenly sold on her ... makes me wonder how I missed these moments with her in ME1 beforehand...I think perhaps maybe I can see where the ME3 Ash appears from now and thus seeing ME1 Ash in a new light.

Yes, I know she is not a bigot, have known that for a long time, simply just wasn't sold on her personality myself...if people take the time to actually listen to what she says in ME1 instead of jumping the gun, it would be realized she isn't 'speciest', just cautious.

As for her ME3 appearance, I see some pics on here of Ash sporting a loose bun, some escaped tendrils of hair, that does look really good on Ash ...I wish BW had done that, the loose hair on Ash and Miranda in combat looks silly.

Ash was my first ever ME love interest, I had no use for Liara and her nicer than nice naivety back then. But I liked Ashley. She had her flaws but they were real ones, seemed honest and were addressed in the game. Fast forward to ME3 and she seems a lot more "together", more grounded but without losing her personality.

 

What new light do you think you see her in? What do you think has changed to make you take an interest?

[StayFrosty05]

Ash was my first ever ME love interest, I had no use for Liara and her nicer than nice naivety back then. But I liked Ashley. She had her flaws but they were real ones, seemed honest and were addressed in the game. Fast forward to ME3 and she seems a lot more "together", more grounded but without losing her personality.
 
What new light do you think you see her in? What do you think has changed to make you take an interest?

Watching her in ME3, I felt she was the first potential LI who doesn't need Shep, doesn't need him fixing her, saving her or being her personal Counselor on call...and doesn't fall all over Shep, just feels more natural and equal to me...Yes, she gives Shep a hard time in ME3, but personally I feel it's justified and like it, I wish more characters did instead of blindly following. My enjoyment of her in ME3 led me to watching and listening to her more closely in ME1, if she were are real person, she and I would not get along, some of her views would severely grate on me, though she would have my respect for her straight forward attitude and honesty, you know where you stand with her and I deeply appreciate that in people, she doesn't play games and that I appreciate even more...I can see that attitude in her ME1 character now, instead of just where we would butt heads so badly, unfortunately was all I had been seeing until now.

I still won't romance her in ME1, aside from too much poetry in the love scene...funnily enough I like poetry, but Ashleys VA hasn't been taught how to deliver it...but also i just prefer my Shep to stick to military protocol in ME1, feels right, plus his a bad boy in ME2 and wouldn't want him cheating...so Shep remains single until ME3 now, ti's nice to have someone for him to romance now ,he had remained eternally single as no choices appealed to me until I did a save Ash in Virmire run, now I'm sold

[Rusted Cage]

Watching her in ME3, I felt she was the first potential LI who doesn't need Shep, doesn't need him fixing her, saving her or being her personal Counselor on call...and doesn't fall all over Shep, just feels more natural and equal to me...Yes, she gives Shep a hard time in ME3, but personally I feel it's justified and like it, I wish more characters did instead of blindly following. My enjoyment of her in ME3 led me to watching and listening to her more closely in ME1, if she were are real person, she and I would not get along, some of her views would severely grate on me, though she would have my respect for her straight forward attitude and honesty, you know where you stand with her and I deeply appreciate that in people, she doesn't play games and that I appreciate even more...I can see that attitude in her ME1 character now, instead of just where we would butt heads so badly, unfortunately was all I had been seeing until now.

I still won't romance her in ME1, aside from too much poetry in the love scene...funnily enough I like poetry, but Ashleys VA hasn't been taught how to deliver it...but also i just prefer my Shep to stick to military protocol in ME1, feels right, plus his a bad boy in ME2 and wouldn't want him cheating...so Shep remains single until ME3 now, ti's nice to have someone for him to romance now ,he had remained eternally single as no choices appealed to me until I did a save Ash in Virmire run, now I'm sold

I think you've hit the nail on the head with that bolded sentence which i think is part of a lot of the problems inherent in gamers perceptions. I've noticed that in any game where a character who is on the same side as the player character but questions the player's decisions or capability often becomes a hate figure for the gamer. I think it has something to do with player ego and its fragility rather than a failure with writing.

 

As for butting heads, I've noticed she's a lot more frosty ( ) with woman Shepard than with a man, but this is because the game likes to force you down the opposite gender = VS/ LI direction. Plus, I think she actually is right in the long run with a lot of her opinions...

[StayFrosty05]

I think you've hit the nail on the head with that bolded sentence which i think is part of a lot of the problems inherent in gamers perceptions. I've noticed that in any game where a character who is on the same side as the player character but questions the player's decisions or capability often becomes a hate figure for the gamer. I think it has something to do with player ego and its fragility rather than a failure with writing.
 
As for butting heads, I've noticed she's a lot more frosty ( ) with woman Shepard than with a man, but this is because the game likes to force you down the opposite gender = VS/ LI direction. Plus, I think she actually is right in the long run with a lot of her opinions...

From what I understand Ashleys challenge and questioning of Shep in ME3 did leave her very unpopular with many, it was those very complaints that caught my interest and inspired me to replay my ME games with her as my VS, I liked the sound of it and she did not disappoint ... As an older and late coming to games female Gamer a lot of the Gamer attitudes had been pretty new to me and the ego I noticed is prevalent ... the popularity of 'yes' men characters, Garrus a perfect example, I love Garrus, but the truth is he is rather weak minded considering how much of an influence Shep can have on him, I still adore him but if I had to put someone in long term charge it certainly wouldn't be Garrus, too easily influenced...Ash though you could trust in such a position. I can only hope despite such bad reception to characters that "dare" to question the protagonist, gaming companies will continue to bring them to life regardless. Didn't BW do that with DA, the Protagonist couldn't please or have all their team loving them? I only played it the once some time back now, really did not like the combat mechanics at all, ended up throwing in the towel, so didn't get to do much character exploration, have you played it? I see the same ego with Skyrim, a number of people complaining about their Dovahs not being made Emperor, citing the Dovahkin as all that and more.

Ashley's opinions ... lets just say I'm an idealist, though I hope a realistic idealist...Ashley's opinions are a little too 'Earth First' for me, she is right in the fact that each species is out to get on top and would happily feed another species to the 'Bear' to achieve that, she's dead right, the Asari certainly helped prove that on Thessia, it's a wonder to me the various species were able to band together at all to fight the Reapers. Ash is very much a Realist, but how I see it is supporting that mentality of each Species to their own especially by someone as influential as Shep, only continues to encourage it, I do see room for idealism also. So though I see Ashley's point, I just think it is far from helpful in encouraging better relations between species. I will always be crabby with her for her Bear/Dog comment though ...that one just p****d me off big time lol... I would tell Ash where she can get off with that if I could ...But other than that, as I mentioned earlier, I appreciate the woman's outspoken forthrightness and honesty, she has my vote

[Rusted Cage]

<snip>... the popularity of 'yes' men characters, Garrus a perfect example, I love Garrus, but the truth is he is rather weak minded considering how much of an influence Shep can have on him, I still adore him but if I had to put someone in long term charge it certainly wouldn't be Garrus, too easily influenced...Ash though you could trust in such a position. I can only hope despite such bad reception to characters that "dare" to question the protagonist, gaming companies will continue to bring them to life regardless. Didn't BW do that with DA, the Protagonist couldn't please or have all their team loving them? I only played it the once some time back now, really did not like the combat mechanics at all, ended up throwing in the towel, so didn't get to do much character exploration, have you played it? I see the same ego with Skyrim, a number of people complaining about their Dovahs not being made Emperor, citing the Dovahkin as all that and more.

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...she is right in the fact that each species is out to get on top and would happily feed another species to the 'Bear' to achieve that, she's dead right, the Asari certainly helped prove that on Thessia, it's a wonder to me the various species were able to band together at all to fight the Reapers. Ash is very much a Realist, but how I see it is supporting that mentality of each Species to their own especially by someone as influential as Shep, only continues to encourage it, I do see room for idealism also. So though I see Ashley's point, I just think it is far from helpful in encouraging better relations between species. I will always be crabby with her for her Bear/Dog comment though ...that one just p****d me off big time lol... I would tell Ash where she can get off with that if I could ...But other than that, as I mentioned earlier, I appreciate the woman's outspoken forthrightness and honesty, she has my vote

I'm not sure I agree about Garrus. Maybe in ME and ME2 sure, but he really has matured by ME3, I think. He is very capable by then and a solid rock for Shepard to rest her back against.

I haven't played DA:I or DA;2 but really enjoyed Origins. I remember KotOR I and II had a system similar to what you mention, but it was fairly limited and tied directly to the morality system.

Don't get me started on Skyrim though! One of my favourite characters is Delphine, another strong woman who dares question the Dovahkiin and is almost universally hated by players for it. I know exactly what your saying about the emperor thing too.

 

Ha, I really liked that bear/dog comment. It's definitely one of her more emotive ones. But truth be told, if it was a case of my wife or my pet, my wife would be saved with little hesitation. I'd be dying inside, sure and would be emotionally wrecked by such trauma. It is the only sane choice to me. I know it's not a direct comparison because the cat or dog cannot actually talk, but if it was any human vs any random turian? Not sure.

[StayFrosty05]

I'm not sure I agree about Garrus. Maybe in ME and ME2 sure, but he really has matured by ME3, I think. He is very capable by then and a solid rock for Shepard to rest her back against.
I haven't played DA:I or DA;2 but really enjoyed Origins. I remember KotOR I and II had a system similar to what you mention, but it was fairly limited and tied directly to the morality system.
Don't get me started on Skyrim though! One of my favourite characters is Delphine, another strong woman who dares question the Dovahkiin and is almost universally hated by players for it. I know exactly what your saying about the emperor thing too.
 
Ha, I really liked that bear/dog comment. It's definitely one of her more emotive ones. But truth be told, if it was a case of my wife or my pet, my wife would be saved with little hesitation. I'd be dying inside, sure and would be emotionally wrecked by such trauma. It is the only sane choice to me. I know it's not a direct comparison because the cat or dog cannot actually talk, but if it was any human vs any random turian? Not sure.

Good point about Garrus, yes if I recall he does come into his own in ME3...I haven't played ME3 in some time, so out of touch with a lot of whats said, etc... had my head stuck in a heavily Modded Skyrim for the past how long ...but did just finally complete a new ME1 Shep today and about to import him into ME2, am looking forward to taking him into ME3 ...will take a closer look at Garrus's evolution then, but I do remember him with a more in charge attitude. Your femShep sweet on him? ... this last ME1 run it was most usually Garrus and Ash as Sheps team...I remember he was my Sheps go to man in ME3 also, the one Shep expresses his concerns to, etc...You like Delphine? We are at odds there lol...she gives me the sh*ts ...I personally don't see much similarity between her and Ash, do you? To compare characters I would see Delphine as more Miranda like and I really do not take well to Miranda O.o... The difference I see with Ash is, Ash is a straight up, straight talking, straight shooting Soldier, is very clear cut and just calls it as she see's it, no agendas, isn't out to one-up-manship anyone, etc...Where as Delphine like Miranda has a major chip on her shoulder and takes it out on those around her...how I see it is Ash challenges you because she has every reason to and she's covering her bases, is a smart watchful woman...but Delphine challenges you because she has the issues and hang ups, taking her issues out on you, all it achieves is aggravation and frustration, isn't thought provoking like Ashley's accusations...you get where I am coming from? Probably doesn't help with the kind of Dovahkin I RP, he is a whole lot less helpful, patient, willing to listen and play ball than my Shep ...he would make a shocking Emporer lol...good thing he isn't

I never played KOTOR, have it, but haven't played it for the same reason I quit DA, it was DAO I tried, but I really don't enjoy the point and click combat, much prefer ME's and Skyrim's combat style.

[StayFrosty05]

I'm not sure I agree about Garrus. Maybe in ME and ME2 sure, but he really has matured by ME3, I think. He is very capable by then and a solid rock for Shepard to rest her back against.
I haven't played DA:I or DA;2 but really enjoyed Origins. I remember KotOR I and II had a system similar to what you mention, but it was fairly limited and tied directly to the morality system.
Don't get me started on Skyrim though! One of my favourite characters is Delphine, another strong woman who dares question the Dovahkiin and is almost universally hated by players for it. I know exactly what your saying about the emperor thing too.
 
Ha, I really liked that bear/dog comment. It's definitely one of her more emotive ones. But truth be told, if it was a case of my wife or my pet, my wife would be saved with little hesitation. I'd be dying inside, sure and would be emotionally wrecked by such trauma. It is the only sane choice to me. I know it's not a direct comparison because the cat or dog cannot actually talk, but if it was any human vs any random turian? Not sure.

Sorry, typing on a Tablet, messes me around ... Anyway, the Bear/Dog comment, certainly is an emotive one and gets the reactions, I think it was up there with the Religon thing on the Ash haters list wasn't it? Yes, its a harsh one, I have kids (well grown now), but certainly would save them over my much loved cats, without question. But I guess when Ash makes that statement, the analogy she gives is what gets in my craw, putting yourself in danger, then expecting your pet to take the fall for it...I live Australia, no Bears in my neighborhood , but I would imagine taking a walk in Bear territory much the same as going for a wander along Crocodile infested shorelines, I simply wouldn't do it because theres Crocs there and if I was foolhardy enough to do so, should my pet pay for my stupidity? Thats what bugs me, the throw away attitude about the pets life with seemingly no taking responsibility for sticking the pet in such a dangerous situation to begin with. Thus why Ash and I would clash

Typing on a Tablet, not easy ...can't scroll ...Anyway, the Bear/Dog thing

[ashlover mark 2]

Ashley was right anyway. The council DID throw humanity at the Reapers. She was also right about Cereberus, they couldn't be trusted. Miranda admits she initially wanted to stick a chip in Shepard's brain AND they freaking made a couple of clones... Honestly Ashley should've had a moment in ME3 where she's with the entire crew lists all that crap, and proclaims loudly "I. TOLD. YOU. SO." 

[StayFrosty05]

Ashley was right anyway. The council DID throw humanity at the Reapers'. She was also right about Cereberus, they couldn't be trusted. Miranda admits she initially wanted to stick a chip in Shepard's brain AND they freaking made a couple of clones'... Honestly Ashley should've had a moment in ME3 where she's with the entire crew lists all that crap, and proclaims loudly "I. TOLD. YOU. SO."

Yes, Ash was right about both the Council and Cerberus...thus I try my best despite the dialog limitations to RP a Shep that knows this himself. He still supports the Council because he knows a united Galaxy is the best chance everyone has, but remains accutely aware every Species is purely in it for themselves and so thus, I like to think he walks in with eyes wide open to the fact. As for Cerberus, that where Horizon was the greatest let down, Shep is embarrassingly idiotic in his responses to Ash there, I still wish he could have told Ash exactly what was going on and why he was involved with Cerberus, but alas he gave her nothing she could believe in him for, I REALLY don't blame her for her distrust in ME3, Shep was an idiot towards her in ME2. I felt other than that ridiculous conversation, I had been doing alright RP'ing a Shep only using Cerberus resourses through necessity, never supporting them, until LotSB came out with another ridiculous conversation from Shep, this time with Tela Vasir ... I stopped playing LotSB for a few reasons, that conversation being one of them... Come ME3, Sheps shock at tIM's betrayal on Mars left me thinking, 'Seriously Shep?!!' O.o...you just took idiot to a whole new level! ... dumb Shep REALLY needs to listen to Ash ... Am glad she doesn't say, "I told you so" though, wouldn't suit her.

[SGT NOOBSTER]

@ StayFrosty

 

I agree with you about Horizon (and being the one that challenges you/ makes you think). It was kind of a "wait a minute, I can't explain to her why I'm here?" kind of thing. And because of this and the fact that, yes she did indeed turn out to be right about nearly everything on some level, I can see her mistrust at the beginning of ME3.

 

 

As for "I told you so." I don't think she would use those exact words, but I could see something along those lines.

[StayFrosty05]

@ StayFrosty
 
I agree with you about Horizon (and being the one that challenges you/ makes you think). It was kind of a "wait a minute, I can't explain to her why I'm here?" kind of thing. And because of this and the fact that, yes she did indeed turn out to be right about nearly everything on some level, I can see her mistrust at the beginning of ME3.
 
 
As for "I told you so." I don't think she would use those exact words, but I could see something along those lines.

How do you feel about how Shep can respond to Ash in ME3? I was much more satisfied, felt Shep was finally getting his bearings with her and able to respond in a much more capable manner...I looked forward to those Hospital conversations, feeling like I was really able to start exporing Ash on a deeper level, despite her distrust in Shep she remains candid with him, I felt they were some of the best conversations the ME games had on offer.

I agree with you on the "told you so" line, yep not that but something akin.

[SGT NOOBSTER]

I do like the conversations with her, even on Mars you can tell that she still trusts Shepard on some level. Even though you cannot have a less "icy" period coming from ME2, and with all her cut content; the rebuilding of the relationship and her rejoining the Normandy are some of the best in the game. You can definitely see that she has grown, is more experienced, and (to me) is more confident in herself.

[ashlover mark 2]

I do like the conversations with her, even on Mars you can tell that she still trusts Shepard on some level. Even though you cannot have a less "icy" period coming from ME2, and with all her cut content; the rebuilding of the relationship and her rejoining the Normandy are some of the best in the game. You can definitely see that she has grown, is more experienced, and (to me) is more confident in herself.

Ashleys' dialogue in ME3 was good, she simply needed more. I'm hopeing that Bioware adds more a little more content to her character during the remaster. 

[P. Domi]

It's nice to see this thread is still going strong    . Have a great year 2015!

[SGT NOOBSTER]

Ashleys' dialogue in ME3 was good, she simply needed more. I'm hopeing that Bioware adds more a little more content to her character during the remaster. 

 

That would be nice.

 

Did they confirm a remaster? I've seen so many rumors flying and vague/ slightly out of context quotes, it is hard to determine fact.

[ashlover mark 2]

That would be nice.

 

Did they confirm a remaster? I've seen so many rumors flying and vague/ slightly out of context quotes, it is hard to determine fact.

Not confirmed yet, but they've said they want to do it and they asked what we'd like to see in it. Plans could change of course but I  think we're going to get one.

[P. Domi]

Lack of news in this thread for the past week, so I will post this in case someone is interested. I just published Chapter 7 "A Williams' Honor" in my "Spectres and Assassins" story. It has taken quite a while to complete this chapter... graduate school can be really time-consuming. 

 

https://www.fanficti...-and-Assassins 

 

This one is really Ashley-heavy, and you will find plenty of connections between the part of Priority Citadel II we witness as players and the events that go down in this specific chapter. Have a good one!

[Nogroson]

I read it all and found it a great story. I liked the last chapter, but I also particularly loved the first ones, where the author investigate over Ashley's feelings and the Citadel coup is described trough different POV. You'll find some nice cameos there. Ashley lovers should definetly give it a try IMO

[SJNKD]

Good story, I'm pretty sure im already following. Well, my sister is. I just log into her account to do reviews.

[SJNKD]

Also, my sister has been working on a Story. She thinks it's pretty bad, I've read it and calls my opinion unfair due to being family. So I wanted to get others to read and review, be honest with her. And hopefully prove that's she good, or at least on the right track. I know anonymous review is on. so review away.

https://www.fanficti...epard-s-Journey

I also think my profile pic is pretty awesome, been watching too much of that stuff.