Just because you ignore Ashley by not talking to her in the hospital doesn't mean she will be shot. She can still survive the confrontation. I've done it. Since you don't talk to her, she will not join Shepard on the Normandy no matter what.
As far as her not seeing Shepard during the six months, I would include the others. Her excuse is just as lame as the others. For me, it doesn't bother me too much. Had Bioware been given more time, maybe a visit from whoever would've been included.
I know she can be talked down still. Ex: If you saved the council. But it is far more likely she cannot be. There isn't a persuasion option to get her to join if you do not visit?Just because you ignore Ashley by not talking to her in the hospital doesn't mean she will be shot. She can still survive the confrontation. I've done it. Since you don't talk to her, she will not join Shepard on the Normandy no matter what.
As far as her not seeing Shepard during the six months, I would include the others. Her excuse is just as lame as the others. For me, it doesn't bother me too much. Had Bioware been given more time, maybe a visit from whoever would've been included.
I know she can be talked down still. Ex: If you saved the council. But it is far more likely she cannot be. There isn't a persuasion option to get her to join if you do not visit?
Incorrect about the council. I've never saved them and still was able to talk down Ashley even when I never talked with her in the hospital
As for her excuse for not visiting, I think it is worse than Liara's, who was actually doing something about the reapers while Ashley was busy judging. I can understand Ashley being unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt in ME2, even if it would have been welcome, but her continued refusal to associate with Shepard in those 6 months does her no favors. Shepard is required to put in all the work in renewing any trust between them; one reason I prefer just to shoot her.
Regardless if its worst than this character or that character, its still lame. Whatever. I wasn't too concerned about the excuse. If it was me, I would just say whatever and worry about it after dealing with the reapers.
Incorrect about the council. I've never saved them and still was able to talk down Ashley even when I never talked with her in the hospital
Regardless if its worst than this character or that character, its still lame. Whatever. I wasn't too concerned about the excuse. If it was me, I would just say whatever and worry about it after dealing with the reapers.
It is not incorrect. If you did not save the council, you need to find another way to make up for it. Ex: Romance her or be nice on Mars.
It is. I've done it.
It is. I've done it.
Then, like I said, you had to be nice on Mars or romance her.
Have you let the council die? Talked mean to Ashley on Mars and avoided talking to her in the hospital? If not, why make that comment?
Are you saying you did none of these yet still talked her down?
Yes.
I just had to cold-turkey shut down Ashley with the force of a thousand suns, after Virmire. Idiot stealth-romanced me again, as usual. The only way to avoid it is to literally skip out on a conversation, when you have to say "You're out of line!" when she brings up letting aliens onto the Normandy. Don't do that and turned down Liara? Guess what, it's time for your Shepard to be completely rail-roaded into romancing her whether you like it or not. Like she asks "so you still want me, baggage and all", it's like... What? I don't 'want' you like that Ashley, and it makes you look really freaking creepy how you thinking you're hot and you think expressing signals to him automatically makes him want you. Where was my "I don't want you." dialogue option? No where to be seen, Shepard HAS to want her if he didn't want Liara. You don't get a single dialogue option before post-Virmire to end it, and until then you're stuck with your Shepard basically auto dialoging his romantic feelings to someone who doesn't even remotely match his personality or your roleplay of him. It's infuriating.
So I had to be a complete dick head to her at the locker scene, which is how you can break it off. But honestly, it severely annoys me that there was even anything TO break off. As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't want her, never wanted her, has no interest in dating her, and would turn her down instantly if he asked. But I don't have that choice. Funny how people complain about auto dialogue in ME3 when ME1 is far worse about it. Yeah Shepard says some dumb auto things in ME3, but nothing as core to roleplay and character as forcing you into romance.
I know she can be talked down still. Ex: If you saved the council. But it is far more likely she cannot be. There isn't a persuasion option to get her to join if you do not visit?
As for her excuse for not visiting, I think it is worse than Liara's, who was actually doing something about the reapers while Ashley was busy judging. I can understand Ashley being unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt in ME2, even if it would have been welcome, but her continued refusal to associate with Shepard in those 6 months does her no favors. Shepard is required to put in all the work in renewing any trust between them; one reason I prefer just to shoot her.
You do realize that Ashley is a member of the Alliance Military right? And that before ME3 began, the Alliance and Batarians were facing off and were all intents and purposes preparing for war
Whilst, Shepard and the VS do have some ground to cover in order to patch things up, how your Shepard roleplays depends up to you. I doubt I can change your mind with respect to Ash, but I would argue that simply shooting her wastes one of the more realistic characters within the ME universe (unlike a certain Asari who seems to be the writer's fetish object)
I just had to cold-turkey shut down Ashley with the force of a thousand suns, after Virmire. Idiot stealth-romanced me again, as usual. The only way to avoid it is to literally skip out on a conversation, when you have to say "You're out of line!" when she brings up letting aliens onto the Normandy. Don't do that and turned down Liara? Guess what, it's time for your Shepard to be completely rail-roaded into romancing her whether you like it or not. Like she asks "so you still want me, baggage and all", it's like... What? I don't 'want' you like that Ashley, and it makes you look really freaking creepy how you thinking you're hot and you think expressing signals to him automatically makes him want you. Where was my "I don't want you." dialogue option? No where to be seen, Shepard HAS to want her if he didn't want Liara. You don't get a single dialogue option before post-Virmire to end it, and until then you're stuck with your Shepard basically auto dialoging his romantic feelings to someone who doesn't even remotely match his personality or your roleplay of him. It's infuriating.
So I had to be a complete dick head to her at the locker scene, which is how you can break it off. But honestly, it severely annoys me that there was even anything TO break off. As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't want her, never wanted her, has no interest in dating her, and would turn her down instantly if he asked. But I don't have that choice. Funny how people complain about auto dialogue in ME3 when ME1 is far worse about it. Yeah Shepard says some dumb auto things in ME3, but nothing as core to roleplay and character as forcing you into romance.
Speaking of forcing you into a romance, Liara does also suffer from this (ME1: "I sense a connection between us" - you have to shut her down hard, otherwise the game thinks that you're in a relationship).
ME3 - The game starts thinking you're in a relationship with Liara, if you start making paragon conversation with her on the Citadel (unless you tell Liara to work herself to death, Aethya starts sprouting about you and Liara are lovers). Liara, in ME3 stars to come off as creepily clingy, even if you're not in a romance with her (her final scene really spotlights).
That being said, I can sort of get Liara's crush on Shepard - for all intents and purposes we're the closest thing she's scene to the conquering hero. I just to like having the writers try and cram her down my throat.
An additional problem is that by ME3, she's become more of a plot device more than anything else. Compared to other characters, she has no real flaws, which kinda hints that she's become MW's waifu.
Speaking of forcing you into a romance, Liara does also suffer from this (ME1: "I sense a connection between us" - you have to shut her down hard, otherwise the game thinks that you're in a relationship).
The opposite actually. With her, the romance is a single conversation. She says she's interested, you say you're not, the end. Seriously, that's it. Problem is that the game then defaults to Virmire Survivor if you do that. Anyway, it's the opposite because shutting her down hard actually causes the game to consider her romanced. Saying the renegade "unacceptable" causes the glitch, the softer shut down "I just want to be friends" actually breaks the romance. Difference is, this is a glitch. The VS latching onto you is intended.
The opposite actually. With her, the romance is a single conversation. She says she's interested, you say you're not, the end. Seriously, that's it. Problem is that the game then defaults to Virmire Survivor if you do that. Anyway, it's the opposite because shutting her down hard actually causes the game to consider her romanced. Saying the renegade "unacceptable" causes the glitch, the softer shut down "I just want to be friends" actually breaks the romance. Difference is, this is a glitch. The VS latching onto you is intended.
Really? For some odd reason, I kept running into the opposite issue during my ME1 run (I was trying to string Liara along, in order to get the 'confrontation' scene, but then the game cut off any further Ashley-romance dialogue and locked me into a Liara romance...)
Nevertheless, I will hold that in ME3, the writers keep trying to force a Liara-romance down our throats (ME2 mancers got really shafted in this regards).
You do realize that Ashley is a member of the Alliance Military right? And that before ME3 began, the Alliance and Batarians were facing off and were all intents and purposes preparing for war
Whilst, Shepard and the VS do have some ground to cover in order to patch things up, how your Shepard roleplays depends up to you. I doubt I can change your mind with respect to Ash, but I would argue that simply shooting her wastes one of the more realistic characters within the ME universe (unlike a certain Asari who seems to be the writer's fetish object)
Have you let the council die? Talked mean to Ashley on Mars and avoided talking to her in the hospital? If not, why make that comment?
I am going according to the Wiki, which is then wrong and/or I am misinterpreting it. According to it, you need a trust level of 0-3 to have the option of talking her down. If you do not visit, let the council die, did not romance her, and are mean on Mars, you should have a score of -2; -4 if Kai Leng kills the Salarian councilor. You can get +1 by lowering your weapon in the standoff.
That's what I figured you were going by. I've seen that chart. I mentioned in another thread, however long ago, that it wasn't correct.
That's what I figured you were going by. I've seen that chart. I mentioned in another thread, however long ago, that it wasn't correct.
I'd like to be unable to talk down Ashley on a playthrough with that "I hope the reapers send you to hell" line. How do you get it then?
I'd like to be unable to talk down Ashley on a playthrough with that "I hope the reapers send you to hell" line. How do you get it then?
She only says it if she is shot and not talked to.
She only says it if she is shot and not talked to.
How do you lose the option to talk her down though? You said you still could even if you never visited her, sacrificed the council, was mean on Mars, etc.
How do you lose the option to talk her down though? You said you still could even if you never visited her, sacrificed the council, was mean on Mars, etc.
Don't take the interrupt and choose the dialogue on the right
Don't take the interrupt and choose the dialogue on the right
Dialogue on the right?
yes
You mean with the persuasion on the left?
no
What I am asking is how you get it where there is no dialogue option period because she cannot be talked down?
don't use the interrupt
I have seen it on YouTube so I know it is possible.
So why haven't you posted the video?
You want to find out first hand? Play the game. Do what I did. Let the council die. Have no idea why that would effect the outcome, but whatever. Be mean to her on Mars. Don't talk to her in the hospital.
BTW: Version 2.0 of the Ashley Battlepack (New armour sets + Marksman patch), should be uploaded soon. Just need to get the preview image setup for the new terminus armor.
So why haven't you posted the video?
You want to find out first hand? Play the game. Do what I did. Let the council die. Have no idea why that would effect the outcome, but whatever. Be mean to her on Mars. Don't talk to her in the hospital.
Here.
I'm assuming the game's logic for the council living being a positive is that they vouch for Shepard's story.
"We've mistrusted Shepard before and it did not help us."
OT: I'm thinking you might know this. On my current playthrough where I want this to happen, I'm also trying to juggle multiple romances. Basically, I want to end up romancing Liara in ME1, Tali in ME2, and both in ME3 but ending up with Tali. If I initially continue the Liara romance in ME3, will that lock out Tali later? I'm assuming no because Liara's lock-in conversation is on the Citadel after the coup. Is Tali's lock-in conversation when she meets in your cabin after first boarding the Normandy?
Here.
Spoiler
If you noticed the interrupt was ignored. I'm also guessing that Shepard is paragon since the paragon interrupt appeared. When I play as a renegade the renegade interrupt shows up
I'm assuming the game's logic for the council living being a positive is that they vouch for Shepard's story.
"We've mistrusted Shepard before and it did not help us."
I wouldn't know about that since I never save the council
If you noticed the interrupt was ignored. I'm also guessing that Shepard is paragon since the paragon interrupt appeared. When I play as a renegade the renegade interrupt shows up
I wouldn't know about that since I never save the council
If you pick the top option, you get a paragon interrupt. If you pick the bottom, it is renegade; the way it works when you first meet Veetor.
What?
There is no top or bottom that appears when first facing Ashley/Kaidan. The interrupt just appears. Watch your video you posted to see that no top or bottom appear for an interrupt to happen
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