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[Aurora313]

Gabriel: I demand more posts on this forum!

[UrusVerra]

Aurora313 wrote...

http://www.fanfictio...n_of_the_Father


Here you are, the fiction with Gabriel's little sibling...
There's gonna be a series based on my dialogue scripts that I write here...
Enjoy.

I loved pard about piggy-back ride

Aurora313 wrote...

Ladies and gentlemen. It has come to my
attention that this forum has been inactive for over two hours. *aims
pistol.* let me be perfectly clear. *shots Conrad verner in the foot*
this is not acceptable.

Shoot Conrad, not me!))

Modifié par UrusVerra, 09 septembre 2011 - 12:54 .

[Complistic]

Ashley thread on the second page?

[Mr. Brainheart]

elektrego wrote...

oh, slow day!

...wow that's......what I'm trying to say is...

@complistic; Anothe B-Ash thread I assume, I don't even look at those anymore...(Well barely)

@elek; Seriously though....

[ADLegend21]

Aurora313 wrote...

Gabriel: I demand more posts on this forum!

Well gabriel I demand you post a Top Ashley pic

Kids, always trying to destroy tradition

[ADLegend21]

elektrego wrote...

oh, slow day!

Oh....my....goodness. You must submit this to the Shepley folder in the DA group

EDIT: and I just noticed the heart flash on the second one.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:31 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

elektrego wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

...wow that's......what I'm trying to say is...

@elek; Seriously though....

What? They are just eating ice-cream...

No they are just eating an ice cream!  Besides,I like it so much because It's very good looking ice-cream.

[ADLegend21]

I support sharing Ice cream with Ashley in ME3 for the friendship and romance path.

[IronSabbath88]

If Ashley is a romance option for female Shepard in ME3, mark my words I will make a new female, play them through every game and not romance anyone until I get to Ash in ME3.

I love Ashley.

[NICKjnp]

And I'll make sure she isn't alive in any of my femshep playrhroughs. Ashley is the one romance that shouldn't be changed in this area because of her conservative views.

[ADLegend21]

NICKjnp wrote...

And I'll make sure she isn't alive in any of my femshep playrhroughs. Ashley is the one romance that shouldn't be changed in this area because of her conservative views.

WHOA. whoa. whoa.

That's a bit extreme. You can NOTdo the romance to leave her alone as femshep, not need to nuke her. Also her views aren't as conservative as you might think. it's 174 years in the future in ME2 and it looks as though homoseual relationships are just as normal as heterosexual relationships and there are ALIENS That baffles ANYTHING covered by current governments and social norms. Humanity seems to be more accepting of aliens which is great because we'v ebeen known to not accept other humans based on location, beleifs, and even skin color. Conservative in 2185 might mean "not dating aliens" but does not mean "not having romantic feelings for the human woman I idolize the most". Ashley's not even that discriminatory against Aliens. She has worries that Garrus and Wrex could be spying on the Normandy and that's a normal opinion, especially with Garrus who has ties to the turian military (every adult Turian does) but even when there's a giant protest saying humanity needs to flip off Aliens she lashes out at them for just being purely racist. That's nowhere near conservative at all.

I'm still shocked that "I beleive in god" translastes to "conservative" in most peoples minds.

[Mr. Brainheart]

NICKjnp wrote...

And I'll make sure she isn't alive in any of my femshep playrhroughs. Ashley is the one romance that shouldn't be changed in this area because of her conservative views.

...I beg to differ, first of have you played as femshep and been friends with Ashley, there are some moments that you can feel a spark between them, a certain intimacy that goes beyond normal friendship. You can argue this is because she would originally intended S/S but then they didn't make that happen. Regardless it is there atleast for some of us in this thread (and I'm pretty sure that goes for more people.)

Her being conservative (which is also debatable, It seems like she's atleast brought up pretty conservative, but she doesn't like politics and therefore doesn't mention them a whole lot, which means we don't know much about her true political views.) and thus not into S/S relationships is a 21st century view of things...In case you didn't notice Ash doesn't live in our time. Conservatives change too, you are simply making an assumption here, if you have any knowledge to back it up with though, by all means enlighten me.

And stating that she's dead in all your Femshep playthroughs was a totally redundant remark...

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 09 septembre 2011 - 08:28 .

[Badpie]

NICKjnp wrote...

And I'll make sure she isn't alive in any of my femshep playrhroughs. Ashley is the one romance that shouldn't be changed in this area because of her conservative views.

Having conservative views on some issues doesn't mean you have conservative views on all issues.  Ash doesn't strike me as a homophobe, nor does she strike me as someone who would consider that weird.  If you're referring to her religious background - they never make mention of any particular faith.  And even if you can infer "Christian," which seems likely not every Christian finds homosexuality to be icky, particulary if that Christian is a homosexual.

Whether Ashley ends up being available for both male and female Shepard remains to be seen.  I personally can only view her as straight since my male shep romanced her, but I certainly don't begrudge others the option for her as a femshep.

[NICKjnp]

I also noticed that she is conservative. And these characters are being based off of 21st century mindsets. Just because you want conservative/religious people to be into s/s relationships in the future doesn't mean they should be. Ask conservative people if they think it will be the case and you will get an overwhelming no from them. Religion does change but core beliefs within it do not.
And no it wasn't intended for her or Kaidan to be s/s. They had Meer and Hale read the entire script rather than seperate Manshep and Femshep. They toyed with the idea but chose not to instead. Neither voice actor for Kaidan or Ashley recorded lines for it.

[Badpie]

NICKjnp wrote...

I also noticed that she is conservative. And these characters are being based off of 21st century mindsets. Just because you want conservative/religious people to be into s/s relationships in the future doesn't mean they should be. Ask conservative people if they think it will be the case and you will get an overwhelming no from them. Religion does change but core beliefs within it do not.
And no it wasn't intended for her or Kaidan to be s/s. They had Meer and Hale read the entire script rather than seperate Manshep and Femshep. They toyed with the idea but chose not to instead. Neither voice actor for Kaidan or Ashley recorded lines for it.

You're making a lot of assumptions here.  Again you're assuming that all religious people shun same sex relationships.   This is simply not true.  Whether or not you think they should is an entirely different issue.

You're also blatantly stating that neither Kaidan or Ash were ever meant to be same sex romances when nothing has ever been said or fully explained by the developers.  At most they said they cut the content for time restraints or whatever - not because they were ever against the idea of Ash or Kaidan being gay.

EDIT:  After seeing your signature bar I realized I made some assumptions of my own that I've since deleted.  My apologies.

Modifié par Badpie, 09 septembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[jeweledleah]

Badpie wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

I also noticed that she is conservative. And these characters are being based off of 21st century mindsets. Just because you want conservative/religious people to be into s/s relationships in the future doesn't mean they should be. Ask conservative people if they think it will be the case and you will get an overwhelming no from them. Religion does change but core beliefs within it do not.
And no it wasn't intended for her or Kaidan to be s/s. They had Meer and Hale read the entire script rather than seperate Manshep and Femshep. They toyed with the idea but chose not to instead. Neither voice actor for Kaidan or Ashley recorded lines for it.

You're making a lot of assumptions here.  Again you're assuming that all religious people shun same sex relationships.   This is simply not true.  Whether or not you think they should is an entirely different issue.

You're also blatantly stating that neither Kaidan or Ash were ever meant to be same sex romances when nothing has ever been said or fully explained by the developers.  At most they said they cut the content for time restraints or whatever - not because they were ever against the idea of Ash or Kaidan being gay.

Let's not turn this thread into a moral discussion about homosexuality and the weirdos that still cringe at the concept.  I'd rather talk about Ashley than delve into your own personal issues with gay relationships, Nick.

and i quote:

"Both Shepard voice actors recorded both sides of the romance. The
romance dialog was included in the main follower conversation file, and
ultimately, it was considered faster just to have the actor do a take on
every dialog line, regardless of whether it was one that would ever
fire in game, than to spend part of the VO session trying to figure out
whether a given line was on the romance track or not.



Once the lines were recorded, there was a brief high-level discussion
about whether we should make Kaiden and Ashley bisexual, since the lines
were already there. The leads decided not to do it. The lines work on a
technical level, but they didn't do justice to the characters and
sounded very strange sometimes. Beyond that, there were questions about
having to do a different cutscene for different genders.



But to be clear, it was never part of the plan. It was only briefly
considered after the lines were recorded, and it was only recorded
because it was easier and faster than marking some lines as "Hale only
records".

bolded for emphasis. source in my signature.  the claims were made by Patric Weeks and another writer.

that said Ashley came across as more spiritual then conservative to me.  and bioware has retroactively changed things before, multiple times, so /shrug  they will do what they think will sell them the most copies.  At least unlike David Gaider they don't retcon character deaths :/  yet.

[Badpie]

EDIT NUMBER 2:  Geez, apparently it wasn't a double post after all.  Sorry guys.  Anyway, as I was saying before BSN started warping - I stand corrected on the VO thing.  Thanks for that.    Also I would agree with your description of Ash as "spiritual" rather than "conservative."  I mean she's pretty relaxed and easy going in my opinion.

Here's an Ash.

Modifié par Badpie, 09 septembre 2011 - 08:59 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

NICKjnp wrote...

I also noticed that she is conservative. And these characters are being based off of 21st century mindsets. Just because you want conservative/religious people to be into s/s relationships in the future doesn't mean they should be. Ask conservative people if they think it will be the case and you will get an overwhelming no from them. Religion does change but core beliefs within it do not.
And no it wasn't intended for her or Kaidan to be s/s. They had Meer and Hale read the entire script rather than seperate Manshep and Femshep. They toyed with the idea but chose not to instead. Neither voice actor for Kaidan or Ashley recorded lines for it.

most of this is assumptions.

Bolded part: Nor does it mean they shouldn't be. Ofcourse Ashley is based of a 21st century mindset, but does that mean the writers didn't look at how things could change between now and then? I don't think so.

In all honesty though wouldn't you be happier if you don't have to follow an S/S relationship with Ashley, but others can? At that moment in your Shepards universe Ash stays just a friend, whilst in mine they'd be more then that.

@jeweled; Thanks for that! good to know.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 09 septembre 2011 - 09:01 .

[NICKjnp]

I'm making the assumption that monotheistic beliefs teach against it. That is known. To have a character that is so monotheistic in her beliefs to all of a sudden is an epic retcon and they might as well just completely remove that aspect from her character.

[Badpie]

NICKjnp wrote...

I'm making the assumption that monotheistic beliefs teach against it. That is known. To have a character that is so monotheistic in her beliefs to all of a sudden is an epic retcon and they might as well just completely remove that aspect from her character.

Monotheistic dogma may dictate that it's a sin or wrong or whatever, but not everyone adheres to that belief even if they are very devout.  A lot of people still cling to it, sure but most of those people also refuse to believe in dinosaurs....so.....  I like to give Ash a little more credit than that.

[ADLegend21]

jeweledleah wrote...

and i quote:

"Both Shepard voice actors recorded both sides of the romance. The
romance dialog was included in the main follower conversation file, and
ultimately, it was considered faster just to have the actor do a take on
every dialog line, regardless of whether it was one that would ever
fire in game, than to spend part of the VO session trying to figure out
whether a given line was on the romance track or not.



Once the lines were recorded, there was a brief high-level discussion
about whether we should make Kaiden and Ashley bisexual, since the lines
were already there. The leads decided not to do it. The lines work on a
technical level, but they didn't do justice to the characters and
sounded very strange sometimes. Beyond that, there were questions about
having to do a different cutscene for different genders.



But to be clear, it was never part of the plan. It was only briefly
considered after the lines were recorded, and it was only recorded
because it was easier and faster than marking some lines as "Hale only
records".

bolded for emphasis. source in my signature.  the claims were made by Patric Weeks and another writer.

that said Ashley came across as more spiritual then conservative to me.  and bioware has retroactively changed things before, multiple times, so /shrug  they will do what they think will sell them the most copies.  At least unlike David Gaider they don't retcon character deaths :/  yet.

for the bolded part, alot of stuff wasn't planned, like Garrus and Tali being romance options. there was enough people that got them to consider S/S romancesand alot of support for the VS to be one of them so it wouldn't shock me if Ashley and Kaidan were available for their same sex Shepard's in 3.

bu yes, as badpie said, more Ashley.



artist

[Mr. Brainheart]

NICKjnp wrote...

I'm making the assumption that monotheistic beliefs teach against it. That is known. To have a character that is so monotheistic in her beliefs to all of a sudden is an epic retcon and they might as well just completely remove that aspect from her character.

Bolded part: So? that doesn't tell you anything about Ash, at all, if you think there are NO people with very monotheistic believes that are attracted to the same sex...then you're simply wrong, it makes it less likely yes I think it does, but that still doesn't say anything about Ash.