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Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!


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Mr. Brainheart

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Well, I was really trying to make a point.  The supporters for s/s romance in the game, will argue about a character's sexuality based on reality, (in this case, Ash) and argue that nothing can preclude this character from actually being bisexual in ME3, based on reality.

Then after arguing for the validity of various characters' possible bisexuality, and the game is then released, like DA2 for example, with all of the romanceable LIs as bisexual, they then throw reality out of the window, and say "it's just a game, this isn't reality".

Which only shows me that they could care less about the character, and all they care about is getting what they want, with their arguments only being self serving to begin with.



It's ingame reality, Roleplaying in the universe the characters are either straight,  gay or bisexual. This should be left to peoples imagination, so in my game Ashley can be bisexual, whilst in someone elses game she can be straight, for example. I don't understand how, or in what manner, we throw reality out of the window ingame. And again personally if Ash isn't bisexual or gay then no harm done, but we shouldn't exclude it beforehand and not treat it as a possibility.

And since I would like an S/S romance, my arguments would be somewhat self serving, but I don't want others to feel insulted by it, so it's a choice if you choose not to, then it doesn't happen in your universe.

and anti-S/S arguments are also based of reality, only in a different way, for example we look at percentages and if we then see that the chance that someone is gay or straight and then conclude that it should be the same ingame, it's the same problem, since both everyone S/S and otherwise can be realistic, neither is absolute.

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AD I just had a picture of Mshep and Kaidan saying "We're both dudes and we're dating" followed by a brofist and it made me giggle. :)

As for Ash's sexuality, it remains to be seen. I'm not really worried about a same sex romance with her taking away from the hetero romance aspect because to be honest - as much as I'd like for Bioware to make each romance unique and amazing - l have to agree with AD and say they'll likely be very similar with the exception of a few well placed lines.

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Badpie wrote...

AD I just had a picture of Mshep and Kaidan saying "We're both dudes and we're dating" followed by a brofist and it made me giggle. :)

As for Ash's sexuality, it remains to be seen. I'm not really worried about a same sex romance with her taking away from the hetero romance aspect because to be honest - as much as I'd like for Bioware to make each romance unique and amazing - l have to agree with AD and say they'll likely be very similar with the exception of a few well placed lines.


I'm pretty confident that they will be near identical.  copy paste dialogue is how bioware does things, and honestly, to me that takes away from the impact of the relationship.  but your mileage may vary.  me?  I try to see characters from a perspective of someone who might be writing tie in books.  as in, it has to fit with all the possible stories, regardless of which individual choices each player might have taken.

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Future Guy wrote...
Well, I was really trying to make a point.  The supporters for s/s romance in the game, will argue about a character's sexuality based on reality, (in this case, Ash) and argue that nothing can preclude this character from actually being bisexual in ME3, based on reality.


No, that argument is based on what's been shown in game and the things we know/don't know so far about the character.

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Which only shows me that they could care less about the character, and all they care about is getting what they want, with their arguments only being self serving to begin with.


That could be said for lots of people.

I wonder what would happen if BW deemed it 'good for Ash's character' for her to be purely lesbian and dump ManShep like a ton of bricks?

Modifié par jlb524, 09 septembre 2011 - 10:05 .


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Badpie wrote...

AD I just had a picture of Mshep and Kaidan saying "We're both dudes and we're dating" followed by a brofist and it made me giggle. :)

As for Ash's sexuality, it remains to be seen. I'm not really worried about a same sex romance with her taking away from the hetero romance aspect because to be honest - as much as I'd like for Bioware to make each romance unique and amazing - l have to agree with AD and say they'll likely be very similar with the exception of a few well placed lines.

Posted Image I'm sure someonein the Kaidan thread can make a picture like that.

Bioware's been all about making female and male Shepard's experience about the person, not the gender. Femshep has a few extra lines that are female specific, but mostly the only difference is whether someone says him/her or He/She when talking about Shepard.Posted Image

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jlb524 wrote...
No, that argument is based on what's been shown in game and the things we know/don't know so far about the character.

Yeah, right.  

a:  "People change in real life, their sexuality is not set in stone.  People come out of the closet."
b:  "I don't like everyone coming on to me."
a:  "This happens in real life, just deal with it."
b:  "But everybody is bisexual"
a:  "It's just a game, it's not reality!":wizard:


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To be honest, I had to suspend reality when I saw Nihlus, a non-human. There are things that I need to stay as real to life, how my Shepard walks for instance ... but romances I am already thrown off-kilter with the aliens being open to a relationship with Shepard. But this argument has its own thread that I have avoided after being called homophobic by straight kids, that was priceless, and after I saw alot of meanness on both sides. So I will gracefully bow out of this argument once again and leave the decision to Bioware.

Here is hoping that no matter what they do that all Shepards and their stories are treated with respect.

Well don't let me run you off.  I don't intent to derail the thread.  Nick is a friend of mine, and I noticed that he was posting in this thread, and figured I would have a look, is all. 

Romances don't interest me much in the ME series, tbh.  They seem too rushed and shallow.  Ash is however my favorite LI in the series, if I was going to pick one.

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@Badpie
You need to look up the definition of a phobia.

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"No one likes to feel like they aren't good enough to get what they want." - Ashley Williams

Wise words, wish some people would listen, a little empathy wouldn't kill anyone.

Total deja vu here...

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NICKjnp wrote...

@Badpie
You need to look up the definition of a phobia.


Sigh.

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makenzieshepard wrote...

"No one likes to feel like they aren't good enough to get what they want." - Ashley Williams

Wise words, wish some people would listen, a little empathy wouldn't kill anyone.

Total deja vu here...

sounds like a wise person said that. A wise, beautiful, poetic person.Posted Image

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Whoa, I totally did not intend all this controversy.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

"No one likes to feel like they aren't good enough to get what they want." - Ashley Williams

Wise words, wish some people would listen, a little empathy wouldn't kill anyone.

Total deja vu here...

sounds like a wise person said that. A wise, beautiful, poetic person.Posted Image


I suddenly had the image of Ash and Wrex discussing Krogan battle hymns over a beer.  See?  They're friends. Pfft.  Shoot him on Virmire?  NEVER HAPPENED.

:P

<3BFFS<3

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Future Guy wrote...
Yeah, right.  

a:  "People change in real life, their sexuality is not set in stone.  People come out of the closet."
b:  "I don't like everyone coming on to me."
a:  "This happens in real life, just deal with it."


To be honest, the things you mentioned are so ridiculous the 'real life' argument isn't even necessary.

Plus, these are also not the only counter-arguments given.  The analogy isn't all that great.

The only counter argument needed is:  Ash hasn't been shown in game to be 'not-bisexual'.  It's simple logic.

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jlb524 wrote...


The only counter argument needed is:  Ash hasn't been shown in game to be 'not-bisexual'.  It's simple logic.






Which really could be said about most if not all of the ME characters.  If you really wanna get technical about it.  :)

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Badpie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

"No one likes to feel like they aren't good enough to get what they want." - Ashley Williams

Wise words, wish some people would listen, a little empathy wouldn't kill anyone.

Total deja vu here...

sounds like a wise person said that. A wise, beautiful, poetic person.Posted Image


I suddenly had the image of Ash and Wrex discussing Krogan battle hymns over a beer.  See?  They're friends. Pfft.  Shoot him on Virmire?  NEVER HAPPENED.

:P

<3BFFS<3

*snip*

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 May I ask how you went from wise beautiful and poetic to...Krogan battle hymns and discussing it over a beer?

I think that after shepard and Kaidan she'd like Wrex the most of the ME1 team.

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Badpie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

"No one likes to feel like they aren't good enough to get what they want." - Ashley Williams

Wise words, wish some people would listen, a little empathy wouldn't kill anyone.

Total deja vu here...

sounds like a wise person said that. A wise, beautiful, poetic person.Posted Image


I suddenly had the image of Ash and Wrex discussing Krogan battle hymns over a beer.  See?  They're friends. Pfft.  Shoot him on Virmire?  NEVER HAPPENED.

:P

<3BFFS<3

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AMEN! Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

If anyone tries to imply otherwise, kick em in the quad!

That phrase reminded me of a song that I think would fit Ash pretty good.Sin Wagon by the Dixie Chicks

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IronSabbath88 wrote...

Whoa, I totally did not intend all this controversy.

Don't worry, you didn't. It was NICKjnp with his Bible-thumping views on how he will kill bisexual Ashley (how "Christian" of him!) that caused it.

Anyway, kisses for Ash :kissing: Let's hope we finally see some more of VS on Eurogamer Expo or GameFest... AT LEAST new screens! It's been months since Casey asked who we wanna see on next set of screens and he said it himself Ash & Kaidan had the most votes!

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Wisdom comes in all forms brainheart. even having bears with a Krogan battlemaster. XD

Ash: and then I was like, we should just shoot them
Wrex: Wise woman. No wonder Shepard bedded you.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Wisdom comes in all forms brainheart. even having bears with a Krogan battlemaster. XD

Ash: and then I was like, we should just shoot them
Wrex: Wise woman. No wonder Shepard bedded you.


ASH AND WREX BFFS FOR ME3!!!!!

Someone make this banner RIGHT. NOW.  

:lol:

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IsaacShep wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Whoa, I totally did not intend all this controversy.

Don't worry, you didn't. It was NICKjnp with his Bible-thumping views on how he will kill bisexual Ashley (how "Christian" of him!) that caused it.

Anyway, kisses for Ash :kissing: Let's hope we finally see some more of VS on Eurogamer Expo or GameFest... AT LEAST new screens! It's been months since Casey asked who we wanna see on next set of screens and he said it himself Ash & Kaidan had the most votes!

They did? awesome! I hope they keep showing both Ash&Kaidan too.

@ADL; That's true, but beautiful and poetic might be stretching it for me.Posted Image

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Re: Beer and Poetry

Lines on Ale by Edgar Allen Poe

Filled with mingled cream and amber,
I will drain that glass again.
Such hilarious visions clamber
Through the chamber of my brain.
Quaintest thoughts, queerest fancies
Come to life and fade away.
What care I how time advances;
I am drinking ale today.

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Here, smell my breath, Skipper - I am not drunk!

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Badpie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Wisdom comes in all forms brainheart. even having bears with a Krogan battlemaster. XD

Ash: and then I was like, we should just shoot them
Wrex: Wise woman. No wonder Shepard bedded you.


ASH AND WREX BFFS FOR ME3!!!!!

Someone make this banner RIGHT. NOW.  

:lol:

I'll get on that.

@brianheart: you don't think ASHLEY is beautiful and poetic? She said the quote I'm talking aboutPosted Image

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Badpie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Wisdom comes in all forms brainheart. even having bears with a Krogan battlemaster. XD

Ash: and then I was like, we should just shoot them
Wrex: Wise woman. No wonder Shepard bedded you.


ASH AND WREX BFFS FOR ME3!!!!!

Someone make this banner RIGHT. NOW.  

:lol:


my theory is that she shot him becasue she KNOWs they are very much alike.  so she could read him and she could see that Shepards wasn't getting anywhere.  mind you, she only shot him for 2 of my shepards (wait, no 3 - forgot the newest one I just started), two of those times - on order.

but yeah.  I really got the feeling that Ash ans Wrex were like 2 peas in a pod - brash, agressive, low tollerance for bull, but introspective and unexpectedly wise, once you get to know them. well - Ash would be sort of like a young, less bitter Wrex, I could totaly see him as her mentor, actualy O_O

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Wrex and Ashley were practically standing next to each other on the SR1, they must have talked about something and figured out that they have much in common.

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Ah, glad to see that each non-asari character thread is maintaining its pattern of at least one brainless heteronormative crusader. Glorious.

Anyway, I like Ashley well enough. I think I'll keep her alive. I might romance her if she becomes available, though I kind of doubt that...