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[Mr. Brainheart]

@ADL; No,no,no! I wasn't refering to the quote, but just to Krogan wisdom. I mean the most basic of math: Ashley + Williams = Beautiful

@Elektrego; Okay, that does link beer with poetry...I stand corrected on that.

Top Ash (and Wrex)


Ash: 'Pfft, You come at me Brogan!'

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:22 .

[ADLegend21]

and here you are badpie!

[ADLegend21]

Top Ash brainheart, chop chop!

[ADLegend21]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...
Top Ash (and Wrex)


Ash: 'Pfft, You come at me Brogan!'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Now THAT'S a top Ash!

[Aurora313]

*waves arms about frantically* LOUD NOISES!!!!!!

[Mr. Brainheart]

ADLegend21 wrote...

and here you are badpie!

I can see this becoming a theme

and I knew I had to find that pic. for top Ash.

[Xilizhra]

I know self-serving hypocrisy when I see it.

Evidently not.

Abscence of evidence isn't indicative of a character's traits. I want Ashley to be a serial killer. Ash hasn't been shown in game to 'not be a serial killer'. Logical?

Generally speaking, serial killers show a more distinct set of traits than bisexuals, though it's not universal. It's theoretically possible, but I suspect it'd be seriously hard to get away with while a soldier and not a Spectre.

The writer has the task of showing that Ashley is bisexual, not that she is 'not-bisexual'. The character is romancable, yet not romanceable by either gender. Conclusion, Ashley was written as a heterosexual character, not a bi-sexual character. Seems logical.

They were too scared to implement it in ME1 and she wasn't romanceable in ME2, so it's down to them to show the conclusion in ME3. More logical.

[NICKjnp]

I would like to point out that it is one thing to have a different opinion and another thing entirely to insult them. Not pointed at Future Guy or people he is arguing with but at others who have been name calling.

[Xilizhra]

Are we using real world examples, now?

As opposed to what?

Baseless assumption. How is it logical, since they've included the content in their games going back a number of years, and prior to and after the ME series.

Generally only as one romance, and that was Liara this time. It only went beyond one in DA2.

I would like to point out that it is one thing to have a different opinion and another thing entirely to insult them. Not pointed at Future Guy or people he is arguing with but at others who have been name calling.

This statement regarding different things being different is indeed correct. We thank you for this observation.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 10 septembre 2011 - 12:08 .

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

Ashley

[ChaplainTappman]

Man, nothing quite like being crass and patronizing to people being reasonable.

Mr_Commander_Shepard wrote...

Ashley

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Man.....


I ALWAYS miss all the fun!!!

T_T

[Xilizhra]

Man, nothing quite like being crass and patronizing to people being reasonable.

Not in this thread, at any rate.

On a different note, how do you think Ashely's attitude toward nonhumans has changed, if it all?

a: "People change in real life, their sexuality is not set in stone. People come out of the closet."

b: "I don't like everyone coming on to me."
a: "This happens in real life, just deal with it."
b: "But everybody is bisexual"a: "It's just a game, it's not reality!"

What this ultimately boils down to is that your desire to not be exposed to anyone hitting on you is fundamentally lesser than others' desire to have romances that they can enjoy. The total amount of enjoyment that they can derive from the game will be greater than the total amount you would reasonably lose from this.

Also, not everyone is bisexual. In fact, there are only five (maybe seven) human squadmates out of a quite substantial crew, and not all of them will be bi either.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 10 septembre 2011 - 12:21 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Well, I'm gonna post anyway.... and if any of you have a problem with it...
talk to her:

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

...I beg to differ, first of have you played as femshep and been friends with Ashley, there are some moments that you can feel a spark between them, a certain intimacy that goes beyond normal friendship. You can argue this is because she would originally intended S/S but then they didn't make that happen. Regardless it is there atleast for some of us in this thread (and I'm pretty sure that goes for more people.)

As someone who doesn't mind the s/s romance option for Ashley (and has a gibbed playthrough as a second shepard).... 

I never felt a "spark" b/w Ashley and FemShep... to me, that's just wishful thinking on those people's part.

NICKjnp wrote...

I'm making the assumption that monotheistic beliefs teach against it. That is known. To have a character that is so monotheistic in her beliefs to all of a sudden is an epic retcon and they might as well just completely remove that aspect from her character.

And where exactly does it say in the game that Ashley is a hardcore religious person?? ALL she says in game is "I believe in God" .... there are plenty of people who just believe in God and yet belong to no religion or practice any faith in particular. 

I think of Ash in that way... she's not all that religious, at least you can't prove it from something like "I believe in God" She can believe in God and not be part of any particular faith.

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 10 septembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[jlb524]

Future Guy wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
To be honest, the things you mentioned are so ridiculous the 'real life' argument isn't even necessary.

Yet it's used so often...

jlb524 wrote...
Plus, these are also not the only counter-arguments given.  The analogy isn't all that great.

I know self-serving hypocrisy when I see it.

Your counter is basically coming down to an ad hominem. 

Future Guy wrote...
As if the characters have announced their sexuality.  And of course you can use this line of reasoning with all of the characters, and I imagine that you do.  Fortuitously perhaps?  

They don't have to announce it.

If you claim, 'Ash is heterosexual' meaning 'not bisexual' you have to show proof of this if you want to argue against the possibility of the writers creating a f/f romance for her in ME3.

The only thing that can be proven is that she likes men, which makes her either heterosexual or bisexual.  That's all we know at this point. You assume she's heterosexual when we don't really know her opinions on females.

Future Guy wrote...
Abscence of evidence isn't indicative of a character's traits.  I want Ashley to be a serial killer.  Ash hasn't been shown in game to 'not be a serial killer'.  Logical?

She could be, logically.  If BW chooses, they can still depict her as such in ME3 and not be changing the character.

Future Guy wrote...
The writer has the task of showing that Ashley is bisexual, not that she is 'not-bisexual'.   The character is romancable, yet not romanceable by either gender.  Conclusion, Ashley was written as a heterosexual character, not a bi-sexual character.  Seems logical. 

You assume sexuality (both public and/or private) doesn't change.

The 'not romanceable by either gender' is also a meta- argument.   In universe, Ashley never shows interest in men (I only play as FemShep). 

[Xilizhra]

It boils down to self-serving hypocrisy. If one wants the content in the game, then fine. That's one thing. Using reality as part of one's argument to marginalize others, and then dismissing reality after the fact, (all LIs being bisexual), when the end result is not based on reality at all.

Your argument right now certainly isn't based in reality, given that not all of the LIs in-game are bisexual, and not even close to all the humans are.

[syllogi]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

...I beg to differ, first of have you played as femshep and been friends with Ashley, there are some moments that you can feel a spark between them, a certain intimacy that goes beyond normal friendship. You can argue this is because she would originally intended S/S but then they didn't make that happen. Regardless it is there atleast for some of us in this thread (and I'm pretty sure that goes for more people.)

As someone who doesn't mind the s/s romance option for Ashley (and has a gibbed playthrough as a second shepard).... 

I never felt a "spark" b/w Ashley and FemShep... to me, that's just wishful thinking on those people's part.

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I agree, that in the first two games, there's no "subtext" of attraction between FemShep and Ashley.  If a f/f romance is going to be written, it will have to be brand new.  But I think the same about Joker and any romance he could have, and I don't think that's too hard to imagine.

It happens all the time in real life, that people who never considered each other romantically in the past, suddenly see each other in a new light.  Not a big deal, if it's well written, in my opinion.

[ChaplainTappman]

Xilizhra wrote...


On a different note, how do you think Ashely's attitude toward nonhumans has changed, if it all?

Well, considering her attitude changes by the end of a Paragon ME1 playthrough, I suspect it will have softened more seeing as how she'll be spending a lot more time with nonhumans as a Spectre. Proximity breeds understanding, except in the most hardened and ignorant of ideologues.

[ADLegend21]

Xilizhra wrote...

On a different note, how do you think Ashely's attitude toward nonhumans has changed, if it all?

I think in her work as or to become a spectre she gains trust of Aliens. I have her go witht eh STG unit on Virmire and that should also have a great deal in her trusting them since they were efficient and got the job done while working with her. Also if she's with them and Kirahe dies she becomes their leader until the end of the mission.