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[Xilizhra]

The DA2 forums will suffice.

If we want to go there, elves aren't based in reality either, and in fact most of those elves in-game we've seen who acknowledge their sexuality somehow have been bisexual. Bisexuality seems to be a common trait among elves. So the only issues of reality would be with the humans, and that's still only two bisexual human LIs.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

This isn't the DA forums... or a thread about elves. So back to Ashley or take it elsewhere.

[ADLegend21]

Top Ash

Also keep the sexuality talk geared toward Ashley please.

[jlb524]

Future Guy wrote...
On the contrary, I don't have to claim or prove anything.  The writers didn't write Ash as bisexual.  That's all the proof that is needed.  If she was bisexual in ME1, then she would have been romanceable by FemShep, in ME1.  It's as simple as that.  You know it and I know it.  

I don't know it.  You say 'the writers didn't write her as bisexual before' which is your meta-game argument for why Ashley isn't bisexual in universe and it's your argument for why she could never be bisexual.

The writers didn't write Garrus as potentially attracted to humans in ME1 but did in ME2.  I don't see an issue here.  The writers can change their minds about characters (they decided they wanted Ash to be a Spectre in ME3...she wasn't before)...if they want Ashley to be an f/f romance option for whatever reason, I am saying they can pull it off without ruining her character as she has not been established as 'not bisexual' in universe.

Future Guy wrote...
There is no need to convolute it.  You want her to be bisexual and romanceable to FemShep.  You also want the rest of the LIs to be bisexual as well, I assume?  So much for this whole debate, then.  That pretty much makes all of this academic, doesn't it?

Your point?  Again, another ad hominem.  I'm not sure why my motivations should be brought up in this debate.

jlb524 wrote...
It's a meta argument, assuming that Shep A would be totally obvlivious to it otherwise, but that isn't a given.

I'm only arguing from in universe.  You keep bringing up these meta-points for some reason.

[jeweledleah]

just to clarify.

in universe, Ashley sent a letter to her sister discussing attractive men. in universe even with femshep, Ashley is attracted to men. not to mention that note from her sister about Kaidan being cute, I doubt her sister would have mentioned it if she knew that Ash didn't like men. Ash seems to be very close to her sisters.

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Ashley scroll down a bit, its right before ME2 section. yes, its official. what I like about that letter is how it foreshadows Virmire.

[ADLegend21]

jeweledleah wrote...

just to clarify.

in universe, Ashley sent a letter to her sister discussing attractive men. in universe even with femshep, Ashley is attracted to men. not to mention that note from her sister about Kaidan being cute, I doubt her sister would have mentioned it if she knew that Ash didn't like men. Ash seems to be very close to her sisters.

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Ashley scroll down a bit, its right before ME2 section. yes, its official. what I like about that letter is how it foreshadows Virmire.

um....bisexual people tend to think both sexes are attractive and if Ashley' ssister is straight I doubt ashley would gush to her about women. just sayin.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

From that email to her sister...

"I hope I never have to decide who lives and who dies. But if I have to, my decision can't be muddled up by magic-sparkly-hearts-and-stars feelings."

LOL ... my Virmire decision was based on those exact "magic-sparkly-hearts-and-stars" feelings!

That and um... I had to uh... make sure the bomb went off... erm.. yeah. Totally.

[Mr.House]

ADLegend21 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

just to clarify.

in universe, Ashley sent a letter to her sister discussing attractive men. in universe even with femshep, Ashley is attracted to men. not to mention that note from her sister about Kaidan being cute, I doubt her sister would have mentioned it if she knew that Ash didn't like men. Ash seems to be very close to her sisters.

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Ashley scroll down a bit, its right before ME2 section. yes, its official. what I like about that letter is how it foreshadows Virmire.

um....bisexual people tend to think both sexes are attractive and if Ashley' ssister is straight I doubt ashley would gush to her about women. just sayin.

Plus who's to say her feelings don't change? It's been two years, I was attracted to females before males, does that make me not bi? I know plenty of women who dated men first but then became lesbian or bi, it happens. That letter does not make anything offical, other then the fact she had a crush on someone.

[jeweledleah]

I'm not saying bisexual people aren't attracted to both sexes btw, on the contrary. I'm merely disputing the "she's straight in your playthrough and gay in mine" mentality. Even if Ashley is available to femshep in ME3 - it doesn't make her gay. it makes her bi and yes there's a in universe proof of that. I'm not going to go into detailed sexuality conversation because its Ash thread, not human sexuality thread.

P.S. I don't know about other siblings, but I'm pretty open with my sister. I just cannot see Ash being afraid to tell her sister that she might like girls as well as boys, I cannot see her being close to someone who doesn't accept her just as she is.

[ADLegend21]

does that mean you'll be making moar Ashley pics in the mean time?

[Badpie]

jeweledleah wrote...

I cannot see her being close to someone who doesn't accept her just as she is.

All other contexts aside (which I think we've all discussed in circles by now) this is a totally accurate quote.  I think Ash is a very "take me as I am" kind of person.  But I also think she's difficult to get close to.  I don't think she particularly likes feeling vulnerable so her humor and toughness and other defense mechanisms make it sort of a gauntlet for people trying to be let in.  It reminds me of Jack a little bit but to a much lesser degree.  Ash makes it difficult for people to get close in order to let only the really special ones get close - the ones that won't hurt her.

Ash is a feeler.  She's hot headed, passionate, opinionated.  She's reactive and I feel like her feelings can be hurt easily even if you would never know it.

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

I cannot see her being close to someone who doesn't accept her just as she is.

All other contexts aside (which I think we've all discussed in circles by now) this is a totally accurate quote.  I think Ash is a very "take me as I am" kind of person.  But I also think she's difficult to get close to.  I don't think she particularly likes feeling vulnerable so her humor and toughness and other defense mechanisms make it sort of a gauntlet for people trying to be let in.  It reminds me of Jack a little bit but to a much lesser degree.  Ash makes it difficult for people to get close in order to let only the really special ones get close - the ones that won't hurt her.

Ash is a feeler.  She's hot headed, passionate, opinionated.  She's reactive and I feel like her feelings can be hurt easily even if you would never know it.

Perfect Summary.

[ADLegend21]

also,Thoughts on "Assasin" Ashley?

[Aurora313]

ADLegend21 wrote...

also,Thoughts on "Assasin" Ashley?

I have thoughts on her being something similar to a 'Ghost' from the Starcraft universe. Without the psonic powers, mindcontrol/mindwipes and serving as attack dogs for a madman of course... although if Shepard still has some semblence of sanity after the ME series is finished I'll be bloody amazed.

[ADLegend21]

Aurora313 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

also,Thoughts on "Assasin" Ashley?

I have thoughts on her being something similar to a 'Ghost' from the Starcraft universe. Without the psonic powers, mindcontrol/mindwipes and serving as attack dogs for a madman of course... although if Shepard still has some semblence of sanity after the ME series is finished I'll be bloody amazed.

I'll have to look that up, but ti sounds cool. Assasin was the first thing that popped into my mind when bioware said Ashley was more "Lethal" and Sniper Ashley is amazing.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...
 Sniper Ashley is amazing.

FACT. 

lol

[jeweledleah]

<-- prefers Ashley with AR. but I could see how Ashley with Widow could be terrifyingly effective.

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
 Sniper Ashley is amazing.

FACT. 

lol

Yup, I'mthinking of throwing a stealth mission Ashley's way in Guns and Poems. Sniping and making stealthy kills and such.

Ash: *hums jaws music to freak out target*
Target: what's that music? *head blown off*
Ash: Target down.
Garrus:....impressive.

[UrusVerra]

Wow, after three or four last pages i finally understood what 'holy war' means

[ADLegend21]

I wouldn't go that far. It's gotten much worse in other threads. This one was more a civil discussion which is good since Ashley would want us to keep it civil, or else she'd start shooting at our feet. >.>

[UrusVerra]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wouldn't go that far. It's gotten much worse in other threads. This one was more a civil discussion which is good since Ashley would want us to keep it civil, or else she'd start shooting at our feet. >.>

I just don't understand why to argue. If someone likes playing Fem+Fem, he (she) plays this way, someone dislikes, he-she plays other way. It doesn't depend on will devs unlock F+F option in game or they won't, it depend on players style and preferences. Many men, many minds.

Modifié par UrusVerra, 10 septembre 2011 - 06:08 .

[ADLegend21]

UrusVerra wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I wouldn't go that far. It's gotten much worse in other threads. This one was more a civil discussion which is good since Ashley would want us to keep it civil, or else she'd start shooting at our feet. >.>

I just don't understand why to argue. If someone likes playing Fem+Fem, he (she) plays this way, someone dislikes, he-she plays other way. It doesn't depend on will devs unlock F+F option in game or they won't, it depend on players style and preferences. Many men, many minds.

If only everyone had that train of thought. I don't care what happens in people's games. most likely it's happened in mine because I like to find all the content bioware puts in the ME games on my own. It's how I found femshepley after all.