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Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!


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V-rex wrote...

The latest twitter posts about Ashley being 'mature' and the one from Ken Thain about how he 'loves working with this lady' actually imply some very positive signs that may lead me to be more hopeful about Ashley in Mass Effect 3.

The first one about her being mature and reasonable could well just be code for 'written and designed to appeal to the pleasure centers of teenage boys' it could actually genuienly mean that she's less hot headed and passionate and more reasonable and ready to talk about things in a calmer straight manner.
If that is the case then it is very likely that the huge concern that Ashley's very mild 'xenophobia' (which has since become the primary topic of debate about the character) will become amplified into stereotypicial proportions as it becomes her sole character trait (a process known as Flanderization), might not actually happen.
Maybe she'll still have issues with aliens or maybe she will have moved on, but either way I do know that 'mature' and 'confident of herself' and 'reasonable' don't usually mesh with words like 'racist' and 'extremist' and 'n*zi'. Especially when you consider at least part of her hostility towards aliens is based on her own feelings of inadequecy, her actually being sure of herself would make a lot of that go away.
While, again, this could all be part of a blatant attempt to make her into a male fantasy but when choosing between two unpleasant choices regarding the fate of Ashley's character direction, I would rather see her be made into a pleasant non threatening male fantasy figure then her turned into a hateful xenophobic one.
If nothing else, it would be nice to see Ashley undergo a change, be more accepting of aliens and less likely to fly off the handle and even maturely explain and apologize for Horizon. Maybe it would finally be enough to finally end hostilities towards her.

Second, when the dev said 'I love working with this lady' it gave me another moment of joy. Because if developers are actually saying that they like working with the character it probably implies at least some degree of respect FOR the character in question. Which is good because if the developers are demonstrating a liking for the character it potentiall means she won't be handed a sh*t hand like last time, given that she's been promoted to Spectre and been given a full time squadmate role, I'm liking those odds.

While I'm not about to get anyone's hopes up (these tweets prove nothing except individual opinions at this point) all I will say is that, based on these tweets, it implies that the developers are actually liking using Ashley and are under the impression that they are steering her characterization in a fair and respectful way may imply that at least some of our potential worries about Ashley may be for naught.
I know it's been a sh*t storm of terrible for us of late, but I'm daring to be hopeful for the first time in a long time.



Please for the love of god, NO.

so basically make her into a pushover that is at Shepard's every beckon call? Sorry, that is NOT Ashley and that is definitely not what I would want as a "fantasy" woman. 

She needs to be hot-headed and brash... that's just a part of her IMO. 

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Funkcase wrote...

Why do we still not know the name of Ashleys face model? Why, Bioware? Why?!


Supposedly her face model is an adult model. Or that's what I've heard....

so if they told her name... people would have a ton of nude Ash pics? lol

idk.

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Supposedly her face model is an adult model. Or that's what I've heard....

so if they told her name... people would have a ton of nude Ash pics? lol

idk.


That's different from now how?

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Top Ash Reed! You know the drill.

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Why do we still not know the name of Ashleys face model? Why, Bioware? Why?!


Supposedly her face model is an adult model. Or that's what I've heard....

so if they told her name... people would have a ton of nude Ash pics? lol

idk.

And that would be problematic how exactly?Posted Image

As for the less hot headed...if Ash matured she might be a little calmer...I'm not saying she'd lose that trademark of hers(which I think it is.) and she wouldn't be a pushover...Just a little less quick to judge in a hot headed manner. That would be a plausible character progression for Ash, I think.

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I am looking forward to finally putting an end to the conflict started on Horizon. I want to be able to work it out in the first 1/4 of the game, then in the next 1/4 of the game renewing the romance, then the last half of the game, actually having the romance come first circle and possibly marrying her.

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Why do we still not know the name of Ashleys face model? Why, Bioware? Why?!


Supposedly her face model is an adult model. Or that's what I've heard....

so if they told her name... people would have a ton of nude Ash pics? lol

idk.

And that would be problematic how exactly?Posted Image

As for the less hot headed...if Ash matured she might be a little calmer...I'm not saying she'd lose that trademark of hers(which I think it is.) and she wouldn't be a pushover...Just a little less quick to judge in a hot headed manner. That would be a plausible character progression for Ash, I think.



Idk, ask Fox News! :P

That's part of her personality and one of her more defining ones... or "trademark" like you said...  making her calm is just "blech" to me. idk hard to explain...

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why do you have to be such a tease!!!! :crying:

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Idk, ask Fox News! :P

That's part of her personality and one of her more defining ones... or "trademark" like you said...  making her calm is just "blech" to me. idk hard to explain...


So Fox News might get pissed off, that would be problematic how exactly ?Posted Image

I'm not saying she'll be really calm, just a more mature outview on some things, and the rest of it good ol' Ash.
I get your concerns, but no change seems weird after all she's been through since ME1.

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Idk, ask Fox News! :P

That's part of her personality and one of her more defining ones... or "trademark" like you said...  making her calm is just "blech" to me. idk hard to explain...


So Fox News might get pissed off, that would be problematic how exactly ?Posted Image

I'm not saying she'll be really calm, just a more mature outview on some things, and the rest of it good ol' Ash.
I get your concerns, but no change seems weird after all she's been through since ME1.


there are plenty of things that can change... but something like that would be like....

me all of a sudden always playing pure paragon... it's just... WRONG. lmao

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Why wouldn't Ashley be more calm?. I'd hope Ashley, being a Spectre, would be more calm under fire. I'd hate to get in the thick of things and she's pulling a Joker when the SR-2 is under attack becuse then she's getting left on the ship because my sniper cannot be jittery when lining up shots.

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

@ FireEye

why do you have to be such a tease!!!! :crying:


... It's my nature I suppose.  :huh:

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Idk, ask Fox News! :P

That's part of her personality and one of her more defining ones... or "trademark" like you said...  making her calm is just "blech" to me. idk hard to explain...


So Fox News might get pissed off, that would be problematic how exactly ?Posted Image

I'm not saying she'll be really calm, just a more mature outview on some things, and the rest of it good ol' Ash.
I get your concerns, but no change seems weird after all she's been through since ME1.


there are plenty of things that can change... but something like that would be like....

me all of a sudden always playing pure paragon... it's just... WRONG. lmao

Whispers:*Posted Image Join us, Reed, join us...we're good people Posted Image*  My attempt at subtle indoctrination, I'm just as good in it as the Reapers wouldn't you say? Posted Image

Hmm, seriously though, I have a problem with seeing how else Ash could change..Perhaps just her thoughts and ideas change, but wouldn't that provoke character change? atleast a little? I'm not sure.

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Idk, ask Fox News! :P

That's part of her personality and one of her more defining ones... or "trademark" like you said...  making her calm is just "blech" to me. idk hard to explain...


So Fox News might get pissed off, that would be problematic how exactly ?Posted Image

I'm not saying she'll be really calm, just a more mature outview on some things, and the rest of it good ol' Ash.
I get your concerns, but no change seems weird after all she's been through since ME1.


there are plenty of things that can change... but something like that would be like....

me all of a sudden always playing pure paragon... it's just... WRONG. lmao

Whispers:*Posted Image Join us, Reed, join us...we're good people Posted Image*  My attempt at subtle indoctrination, I'm just as good in it as the Reapers wouldn't you say? Posted Image

Hmm, seriously though, I have a problem with seeing how else Ash could change..Perhaps just her thoughts and ideas change, but wouldn't that provoke character change? atleast a little? I'm not sure.


Well I fail to understand why she has to be some all new character. Or some teenage boys passive woman fantasy like V-Rex was talking about. Just to appease haters? Just to attempt to bring in more squeaky voiced teenage customers? 

Garrus was basically the same character... he was still badass.
Wrex was the same.... he was still badass.
Anderson and Udina didn't change
The council certainly didn't change (though, I'd argue that's not a good example lmao)

just b/c they are the same personality wise or by how they go about things doesn't mean they are a boring static character...

Garrus goes off and takes on an entire planet of mercs with a small team.
Wrex is now leading his race and uniting them on their homeworld.
Anderson is now a councilor, representing the human race to the galaxy.
Ash is now the second human spectre and most likely going to be a major factor in taking down the reapers.

what's wrong with that? Are those not changes to the character? I mean, who would have thought of Wrex leading all krogan in ME1? Just b/c they don't change personality doesn't mean they're insta-boring/lame characters b/c of it.

How is it WRONG to want the Ashley that we fell in love with back in ME1? If that makes be a moron or w/e ... so be it. 

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@Reed; Whoa! I don't want an all new character, not at all..I want Ash! The badass, feisty, funny Ash we know and love...But Ash's outview on live was at some points naïve, those have probably changed, meaning she'll be more understanding and trusting of aliens and even less of Terra Firma type people. And with being a Spectre would come some responsibility I think, that's gonna show and that's the kind of change I want, not changing who she is at heart.

(Btw, I do consider Garrus to have changed, he was loosened up a lot, but at the same time dissapointed in his capabilities as a leader...I think that showed.)

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Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Reed; Whoa! I don't want an all new character, not at all..I want Ash! The badass, feisty, funny Ash we know and love...But Ash's outview on live was at some points naïve, those have probably changed, meaning she'll be more understanding and trusting of aliens and even less of Terra Firma type people. And with being a Spectre would come some responsibility I think, that's gonna show and that's the kind of change I want, not changing who she is at heart.

(Btw, I do consider Garrus to have changed, he was loosened up a lot, but at the same time dissapointed in his capabilities as a leader...I think that showed.)


Exactly my point, Garrus changed... yet he still acted like the same renegade turian who hates authority and tries to do good. (At least he was renegade in my games and I persuaded that way as well)

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Wrex wasn't the same. Wrex was going to jeopardize the galaxy by trying to kill Shepard over a genophage cure created by an indoctrinated man who needed foot soldiers but in two he's the brilliant leader of reforms for the Krogan. Anderson was a tired veteran who had to deal witht eh political BS of the council, Udina was MORE of a jackass. Now Garrus was the same, but that's another story.

Point is if Ashley is the same girl she was in ME1 then she's been ruined because she has not grown. as Mackenzieshepard said if a character does not grow they are not a good character and I do not want Ashley to be a sucky character.

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'@reed; our opinions might not differ that much then.

As far as we know Ash didn't have a happy time Between ME1&ME3....A human usually sees that and learns from it (or tries to)+She has experience with the outside world, she learns from it. The Reapers are coming, it would affect her somewhat, she knows how grave the situation is. These factors all ask for small changes that would not sacrifice Ash as we know her, but would still change her.

In my eyes that's realistic and I consider Ash to be a realistic character.

I agree with ADL if ash wouldn't change at all, that would suggest she doesn't care about what she's seen and done, that it didn't really affect her, but I think it did

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Yes, these characters have changed in how they see the galaxy... they've changed what they're doing... HOWEVER, they haven't changed how they act or present themselves. And that's my point. I want to recognize Ash as Ash... not some new world weary, calm, serious, complete 180 of what she was character.

Ashley should have that kind of change as well... she should know way more about aliens and she should trust them, she shouldn't be as naive about the galaxy, she has more responsibility... she's now a spectre. But all of that doesn't mean she has to stop being Ashley. 


Wrex is still a badass
Garrus is still a renegade, hot-headed hater of authority
Udina is still an ass
Anderson is still that sort of calming force
The council are still morons

etc, etc...

Even Liara, who underwent some change during ME2 (became distant, cold and had a thirst for revenge)... came around to her true self in LotSB.

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What you're missing though is that they're still different than they were in ME1. anderson's getting frustrated (and quits the council eventually) so there's a fatigue about him. Wrex is using his brain more than his brawn (garrus sis till the same, just got more material to complain about) and Liara's reache dher goal of killing teh SB and is the new one she's not naive like she aas, but in fact wiser.

I want all of Ashley's immaturities rom ME1 gone. the mistrust of aliens, most of her hotheadedness so she doens't end up in Garrus territory in one of her Spectre stories. she can still be brash if it's controlled (same with teh hotheadedness) loose cannon Ash is not something I wanna deal with because loose cannons eventually have to get shut down. =/

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What you're missing though is that they're still different than they were in ME1



They aren't different though (at heart or personality wise)! They just have a different outlook and/or are now doing more important/or different activities. They still act largely the same and one can still recognize them as the characters they are!!

bah, why do I even bother?

Ashley is not a loose cannon... it's not like she goes off about everything and gets enraged or anything. <_<

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orly? If you get the peoplein the trailer before Nihlus's body and find out cole'sbeen scamming the Marines and Shepard clams ashley down she says "you're lucky the commander's here" She was willing to attack a civilian over smuggling instead of just areesting him. Me no gusta. I want level headed Ashley or at least a nod to her being more calm so that she doens't endup like garrus with an itchy trigger finger and wants to shoot everyone that wrongs her (Shepard included :P)

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Hey Ashley fans! Did you see the Kaidan thread name change?!

Kaidan Alenko in ME3: He'll shoot someone if it'll make you feel better.

So....

Ashely Williams in ME3: Nah, I'm good.
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Hey Ashley fans! Did you see the Kaidan thread name change?!

Kaidan Alenko in ME3: He'll shoot someone if it'll make you feel better.

So....

Ashely Williams in ME3: Nah, I'm good.
^_^

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Um, no offense but that kind of gives off the vibe of....

of not wanting her in the game.

Like think about it as someone who hasn't heard that line of dialogue or without thinking of the Kaidan thread... doesn't sound all that great like that.

Ashley Williams in ME3 ...... NAH, I'm good.

I don't like that idea at all. Sorry.

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yeah. It'd only make sense if they were stickied to be beside each other.