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[AresXX7]

jbblue05 wrote...

Batlass8 wrote...

@ADL: I agree with you to a point that "any Ash fan is a good Ash fan." For me, it really depends on how you define "Ash fan." People who want to fundamentally change Ash's character (I'm not talking character development, I'm talking about people who say "I like Ash, but she'd really be awesome if..."), are not Ash fans, IMHO. People who only now say they like Ash because she's "suddenly hot," are not Ash fans, IMHO (in all fairness, I wear glasses and ponytails a lot, so I might be projecting a little on this one, lol).

As for Ash as a S/S LI, I have to be honest: without knowing exactly why she and Kaidan weren't S/S LIs in ME1, I'm reluctant to voice an opinion on how I'd feel about them becoming S/S LIs in ME3. It would be a little jarring for me, personally, without a very well-crafted explanation. It would be like Liara suddenly only being interested in male!Shep in ME3.

@Milla: Trolleys are not a laughing matter.

This so much.

I'm already skeptical about Ash in ME3 at first glance it seems Bioware wants Ash to be Miranda 2.0
I don't want Ash to be alter just to be a more agreeable character.  When Ash gives Shep the knight in shining armor talk, she basically tells you I'm not something you can bend to your will.

As for S/S Ash I doubt Bioware can pull it off without making it look like appeasement. They should've made her bi from the beginning.

I believe Bioware intended for Ash to be straight, if they can make Liara,  Shaira, Samara, Kelly, and Morinth bi, they could've easily made others bi..

I agree.
What has me concerned, is how they changed the event regarding General Williams during the First Contact War in the last comic book series.
I use this, as an example, because the writer for it is now the lead writer for ME3 - Mac Walters, and Ash's lead writer, from the beginning, is no longer with BioWare.
Right now I can only hope the new writer(s) study the original writer's work and stick to it's fundamental idea(s).

As for the S/S issue - I have never commented on it before, because I don't see how it can really make the game any different, overall, and I trust the Dev team for ME to do it right.
But, I do agree that they should have gone with their original intentions for Ash/Kaidan and made them both bi to begin with.
 
Edit: TOP Ash image

Modifié par AresXX7, 21 juin 2011 - 04:46 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

TOPIC: done this one before in the 1.1 a while back but now we know ash is back and the romance will contiune it seems more relavant now. so here it is.how do you want ash and sheps romance to end?what do you envision in your head.

do you want an ambigous ending.

do you want a white pickett fence ending.

or perhaps you want an epilogue ending.

I want an ending I can influence.
It shouldn't be too hard for the writers to come up with a few lines for 3 or 4 different epilogues, depending on what Ash and Shep planned during the game.
As long as Shepshep and Ash reassure each other, that they are staying together after the Reaper biz is over, I'm okay. That way, everything is possible. (in mah brain)

I think DAO's Leliana romance did a good job in that regard.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 21 juin 2011 - 08:08 .

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

*nods agreement*

exactly the reason why i can't stand all the people rooting for complete non inclusion of old LI's, just ignore them if you don't want them.

[Badpie]

A) Ash is not Miranda 2.0. Period. Dear sweet GOD everyone stop already.

I don't mind the way they portrayed Gen. Williams in the comic. Just because Ashley thinks she knows what really happened and that her grandfather was some awesome dude, doesn't make it true. I find that to be more interesting.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Badpie wrote...

A) Ash is not Miranda 2.0. Period. Dear sweet GOD everyone stop already.

Yus, I know at least two differences.

[Antivenger]

Especially considering Ashley was introduced first.

Poll.

Modifié par Antivenger, 21 juin 2011 - 12:36 .

[ADLegend21]

I hear ya Elektrego!So many different decisions, how can someone be upset over one concerning an optional SUB-plot? Hell, Most of MY games feel like they were played by different people, that's how different two save files in Mass Effect are. Sometimes I renegade Ashley and revel in how fiesty she is. Sometimes I I paragon her and see her softer side. Both sides of the Ashley coin are amazing, so why bother choosing between heads and tails? /corny

And yes, no Miranda 2.0 comparisons, it's insulting to both Characters and they're both awesome. Hell, tha's going to be my main squad in ME3 hopefully.

[Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger]

ADLegend21 wrote...

And yes, no Miranda 2.0 comparisons, it's insulting to both Characters and they're both awesome. Hell, tha's going to be my main squad in ME3 hopefully.

i'll second that, though i'm gonna rotate with garrus,this my 2 standard quads live on:devil:

OT question: when do you think you'll be posting the next chapter of your awesome fan fic Legend?

Modifié par Psychotic Killer Cheeseburger, 21 juin 2011 - 02:38 .

[who would know]

Ashley is more attractive than Miranda. Before the makeover, after the makeover, in the Mako... it doesn't matter. Ashley is more real.

[ADLegend21]

elektrego wrote...

Quoting for awesomness and lulz XD

@PKC
It should be relased soon. Thanks for asking.

[Raanz]

From what I gather, I think the comparison with Miranda has more to do with the aesthetic and less with actual character. The "sexy" uniform or armor look, the wedges, the long hair. I am not sure anyone knows if her personality will be that of Miranda or not.

As far as allowing players who never romanced her, do it in 3.....well I am a little torn on that. I think most of the Ash regulars know my opinion on Ash being considered for a bi relationship and it has nothing to do with the players or my view on chosen sexuality. If you look at the gambit of characters in the ME universe, you can easily pick out the ones that have hinted towards an open view regarding this. Jack is a very good example of what I am talking about.
The same reasoning can be applied to new relationships with older characters. In my humblest of opinions, I think Ashley, Kaidan and Liara should be off limits to Shepards who showed no interest in the past. For me, it just doesn't fit with what has come before.

I am sure I am in the minority on this, and I am willing to bet it will be completely opposite of my leaning, because as many folks have said: if you don't want to play it that way, you don't have to. I will say this though, I have seen Bioware blow it in the past, trying to give players every possible option, and in turn, hurting the overall story, or at least, some established character development because of it. Sometimes you can have too many options.

[ADLegend21]

You make a sound arguement Raanz. There have been characters that have droppedhints, but then again no one's said anything about their sexuality, they just don't talk romance. Hell, no Femshep LI shows interest in her until she shows interest, so I think it was meant to be that way with them including S/S in ME3. Sure Ashley, and all MaleShep LI's can flirt with him or something of the like and that's fine for maleshep, but as it's been pointed out a few times, ther's some slight sexual tension in Femshep and Ashley's "dismissed" Chief goodbye on both parts. It caught me off guard at first which is why I thought she was a bi option from the start, until I read that her stuff was cut. /sadpanda.

also, I'm for romancing Ashley in ME3 alone only with a positive relationship in ME1, since alot of couples start out as friends, who's to say Shepard and Ashley can't start out as commarades and then take it to the next level after being apart for so long? that's be really sweet for them to finally admit romantic feelings for each other after being friends for a long time. I trust bioware to fix the thing with Tali's romance of a shepard treating her like Crap in ME1 then her "always crushing on him" being revealed in ME2, Ash don't play that.

[Raanz]

ADLegend21 wrote...

You make a sound arguement Raanz. There have been characters that have droppedhints, but then again no one's said anything about their sexuality, they just don't talk romance. Hell, no Femshep LI shows interest in her until she shows interest, so I think it was meant to be that way with them including S/S in ME3. Sure Ashley, and all MaleShep LI's can flirt with him or something of the like and that's fine for maleshep, but as it's been pointed out a few times, ther's some slight sexual tension in Femshep and Ashley's "dismissed" Chief goodbye on both parts. It caught me off guard at first which is why I thought she was a bi option from the start, until I read that her stuff was cut. /sadpanda.

also, I'm for romancing Ashley in ME3 alone only with a positive relationship in ME1, since alot of couples start out as friends, who's to say Shepard and Ashley can't start out as commarades and then take it to the next level after being apart for so long? that's be really sweet for them to finally admit romantic feelings for each other after being friends for a long time. I trust bioware to fix the thing with Tali's romance of a shepard treating her like Crap in ME1 then her "always crushing on him" being revealed in ME2, Ash don't play that.

Hey, I completely understand your point of view...I am sure if I go back and play both games I know there are a couple of characters that I would prefer to romance on a play-through or two, Kasumi comes to mind.  So I feel for your desire to romance Ash in a S/S relationship.

Your last paragraph is exactly what I fear when I hear what is being planned for ME3.  I never really bought into the idea that Tali had this huge crush on Shep that materialized in the second installment.  Maybe it was just me, and the way my play-throughs went, but the idea that an alien female, diametrically opposite of a human as far as biology goes, would express...not a passive interest, but an all out hard crush on one just broke it for me.  I understand why Bioware did it, and although I didn't care for it, in the end, they did a decent job of not letting it affect my game.  I will say though that a couple of the conversations did get a tad uncomfortable for my Shepard.  Descreet is not a word I would assign to Tali.

[Raanz]

Sorry didn't mean to get off topic here....it's just that good discussions and folks who like to do the same are hard to come by elsewhere in the forums.

Here is my make-up present:


Sorry I don't have a FemShep Ash hug....

[ADLegend21]

Don't worry Raanz, I've got that covered.



And yes good discussion is hard to come by, especially this far out from the last game and from the next game. Hell the littlest detail could set off wild speculation, just like the one picture of Ashley in her spectre casual gear set off the Miranda comparisons. ugh.

[jbblue05]

Raanz wrote...

From what I gather, I think the comparison with Miranda has more to do with the aesthetic and less with actual character. The "sexy" uniform or armor look, the wedges, the long hair. I am not sure anyone knows if her personality will be that of Miranda or not.

As far as allowing players who never romanced her, do it in 3.....well I am a little torn on that. I think most of the Ash regulars know my opinion on Ash being considered for a bi relationship and it has nothing to do with the players or my view on chosen sexuality. If you look at the gambit of characters in the ME universe, you can easily pick out the ones that have hinted towards an open view regarding this. Jack is a very good example of what I am talking about.
The same reasoning can be applied to new relationships with older characters. In my humblest of opinions, I think Ashley, Kaidan and Liara should be off limits to Shepards who showed no interest in the past. For me, it just doesn't fit with what has come before.

I am sure I am in the minority on this, and I am willing to bet it will be completely opposite of my leaning, because as many folks have said: if you don't want to play it that way, you don't have to. I will say this though, I have seen Bioware blow it in the past, trying to give players every possible option, and in turn, hurting the overall story, or at least, some established character development because of it. Sometimes you can have too many options.

My thoughts exactly.

Miranda was meant to be eye candy and she was the most popular LI in ME2.   From what we've seen so far Ash is becoming eye candy, different from how she was presented in ME1.   I hope they do her character justice in ME3 and don't make both characters too similar

[Shep-ley]

http://www.fanfictio...e_Omega_4_Relay

This fic is enough for me until the reunion in ME3. Damn so deep and romantic. Looking from Ash's perspective makes it better. I can't wait chapter 18.

[Shep-ley]

I hope there will be an romance achievement called  "Loyalty" in ME3. Miranda is a Cerberus **** like Jack says. Liara is too confused about love and makes headache when she talks... There is another thing about her... Well... She is blue.

Tali is another story. Curiosity is a bad thing and I can't resist her voice and slightly visible face. Damn too cute... And she desperately loves Shepard in Paragon walkthrough but also too afraid to harm him. Best way is thinking her as a sister that would never betray Shepard like Garrus. Yeah, Garrus is better for her. Keep trying to break that "I've shotgun " barrier Garrus. That's an another good idea by the way: Encouraging crew members fall in love each other. What should we call that achievement, Chit-chatter ?

Modifié par Shep-ley, 21 juin 2011 - 06:10 .

[ADLegend21]

Who knows what they'll have for Achievements in ME3 besides the endgame one and romances of course. I wonder if there'll be an Ashley ahcievement like in ME1 with taking her on 40 something missions.

[Oblivious]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

TOPIC: done this one before in the 1.1 a while back but now we know ash is back and the romance will contiune it seems more relavant now. so here it is.how do you want ash and sheps romance to end?what do you envision in your head.

do you want an ambigous ending.

do you want a white pickett fence ending.

or perhaps you want an epilogue ending.

I want an ending I can influence.
It shouldn't be too hard to for the writers to come up with a few lines for 3 or 4 different epilogues, depending on what Ash and Shep planned during the game.
As long as Shepshep and Ash reassure each other, that they are staying together after the Reaper biz is over, I'm okay. That way, everything is possible. (in mah brain)

I think DAO's Leliana romance did a good job in that regard.

Yea the Leliana romance was well done. In my mind Leliana went with Warden Cousland to be the Teyrna of Gwaren, finally achieving the beautiful "good life" she left behind in Orlais, living a full life of privilege and wealth away from the dangers of being a bard or the constraints of the Chantry. Then Dragon Age 2 came along...

[Oblivious]

Shep-ley wrote...

I hope there will be an romance achievement called  "Loyalty" in ME3. Miranda is a Cerberus **** like Jack says. Liara is too confused about love and makes headache when she talks... There is another thing about her... Well... She is blue.

This is an Ashley fan thread, not a thread to hate other characters. There are plenty of people on here who enjoy Ashley and Liara and Miranda so please refraid from insulting other characters.

[ADLegend21]

Thank you Oblivious. We can all discuss ashley without being mean to other characters. No need to encite others to come into our thread and badmouth Ashley in retaliation.



tinfoil mini skirt appearance DLC plz

[PrinceLionheart]

who would know wrote...

Ashley is more attractive than Miranda. Before the makeover, after the makeover, in the Mako... it doesn't matter. Ashley is more real.

True, Miranda is a bit of a Butterface in game.

I have to admit, I'm a little weary over how Ash will be presented in ME3. Not the "Miranda 2.0" stuff, but her views on Aliens. Contrary to what her haters say, a lot of Ashley's stances were actually justified and correct.It wasn't fear or hatred, just trust issues. I'm hoping her new writer is able to accurately portray that (that is, if that aspect of her character is still present.)

[ashlover mark 2]

Badpie wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

i dont know about kids but i would like a Mass effect wedding for ash and shepard.open ended dosnt work for me personnely,i would be highly annoyed if the screen just gose blank after harbinger explodes and galaxy is saved;roll credits.

i do however think that the ending should be player tailored.

like in liaras DLC,they should have a convo about their future.


Ash: shepard,if we survive this and thats a big IF.......what do you want to do;i mean....about us?


Top choice: weve never really had a time for us ash,i would like to spend the rest of my life with you.if you want to spend the rest of yours with me.

Middle choice: we have to focus on stoping the reapers,then we can worry about us.....i do however know i want you in my life ash,no matter what happens.

Bottom choice: i was just thinking we would go back to my quaters,while i give you your weekly "phsycal training" test.find out if your still in prime condition soldier.

which ever dialgoue choice you pick along with others during the course of the game determines your ending.

This is too catered to one person's preferences.  What about Shepards that aren't romantic saps but still love Ash?  Mushy goo words don't come out of my Shepard's mouth. If they did, the game is ruined for me.  They have to keep it ambiguous and let you decide in your own head.  Because nothing fits everyone.  Also, I would pick the bottom option there, but then that sucks if that means you don't get to have an awesome relationship.  If I wanted Shepley to be together I would HAVE TO pick the first option, which would make me kind of cringe with sweetness.

My Shep and Ash have an rarely spoken love.  They just love.  He wants her forever but he's not about to drop on one goddamned knee and propose.  That would be weird for him.  

Can't people just have a loving committed long term relationship without wanting to get married?  The answer is yes so a "marriage" option wouldn't work for everyone.

whatever works for you badpie,this was just an example of how i would like things to play out.the meachanincs of it all not the exact wording.like i said i think it should be like this beacuse i dont want ambiguous and you do.if they let us decide in some way then you can get what you want and i can get my wedding scene.

i just want a good ending to the romance,and so far bioware has not done well enough in the "romance endings" department "for me" to trust them with ambiguous.