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[Aurora313]

I pose another question - a serious one.

Do you think that Shepard would be sane, mentally unstable or completely mindf*cked by the time ME3 is done?

My opinion - he's been through so many things: The protean beacons of Eden Prime, Virmire and the other beacon in a N7 mission in Mass Effect 2; the Prothean cipher; no less than two different Asari shuffling through his mind; died and later resurrected; the vision from Object Rho and a been exposed to the Reapers and their indoctrination technology a number of times - albeit in small time periods. In addition to the possibility of more Prothean and Reaper technology that would no doubt have similar properties.

I think that Shepard's mind would just completely shatter from all of that. Everyone paints him as a super-solider, if not a god-like being, but there is only so much that even Commander Shepard can take before he breaks. I believe in ME3, one of the epilogues or possible ending is that his mind just completely shatters, either leaving him catatonic, comatose or a raving lunatic.

[Cypher0020]

Now that would be an interesting ending

Looking at my various Malesheps and Femsheps I wonder about their mental states. I think that the Devs said that Shep will definitely be more human this time

[ADLegend21]

That is very interesting. Shepard's mental state, to me at least, is hanigng by a thread after being brought back to life. It's like when someone is unthawed after ebing frozen for years, they ahve to adjust to changes in the times, in Shepard's case two years and everything and everyone moving on from the time of their death. Ashley's change, if romanced, should effect them the most because she pretty much speaks for the majority of the Alliance. I can see Shepard feeling betrayed after ashley calls her a traitor because Ashley KNOWS about the Reapers and how that's all the motivation Shepard needs to do something even if it's with Cerberus (who's in the right during the majority of ME2)

[PMC65]

P.V. Shepard is holding up better than E.W. Shepard but that isn't saying much. Both keep moving forward, living on adrenaline. After the war is over and both find themselves in the quiet after the storm ... hmmmm. They would think about comrades and loved ones lost along the way while each would question if they had done enough and/or what could they have done different to save more people ... people that they loved never mind the million strangers. Then why did they make it and not (put comrade/loved ones name here)? Heroes rarely feel like heroes, instead they feel unworthy of the praise. That's what both Shepards in my ME world are going to feel. Unworthy of the praise and appreciative of all the people (Ashley to Zaeed) that were a part of the fight.

[CptData]

Shepard doesn't look like as if he got some screws loose after Horizon. After all, it looked like a "break up" for me - I even had a bad feeling in my belly. Poor Shepard. Only that mail gave me (Shepard) hope he might get his lover back.

Anyhow, Shepard seems to be mentally stable. It's possible he might suffer a breakdown or something in ME3, but he won't fall into insanity. Somehow I hope Ashley (or any other LI) will be there and comfort him, so he can gather himself together and do his mission.

Shepard's cabin, Normandy SR2
01:00am shipboard time.

Shepard: *mumbles in sleep* No ... nooo ... damn noo! ASHLEY! *wakes up*
Ashley: *yawns* ... Skipper ... are you okay?
Shepard: *pants heavily* ... I'm fine ... now. Did I wake you?
Ashley: You can talk to me, you know?
Shepard: *sighs* it was nothing, just a nightmare.
Ashley: It's not okay. You have them each night, and you're never talking about them.
Shepard: It's okay. And you're not the ship's councillor.
Ashley: No, but I'm your girlfriend, Skip. You can tell me.
Shepard: Guess you're right. It's just .. I can't remember my dreams nor my nightmares. All I can remember are emotions, pain ... losing control ... losing everything.
Ashley: Losing everything? Or losing me?
Shepard: Both ...
Ashley: O captain, my captain. You won't ever lose me, nor I will lose you again. Either we're together in life or in death. That's a promise, Skipper.
Shepard: *suddenly a tear appears* ... I wanna believe you ... but it's a lie. You know it.
Ashley: It's not a lie. It's pure truth.
Shepard: Ash ... am I losing my mind? I can hear the whispers ... the Reapers. They're telling me we can't win this. We're going to die. We're going to get processed or worse. I don't want to become a Husk ...
Ashley: *slaps Shepard* Stop it. You're crying like a ... like a baby. Where's the strong, confident Shepard I felt in love with? Where's my captain? Where's my Skipper?
Shepard: ... we all will die, Ash! We can't win this!
Ashley: We will win this. Your damn words, Shepard!
Shepard: The whispers ... I can no longer stop them ... they're talking to me ... don't let them get you ...
Ashley: Stop it, please ...
Shepard: Must do ... what the whispers demand ...
Ashley: ... please ... it hurts me ...
Shepard: *gasps and collapses*
Ashley: SHEPARD! Wake up!
Shepard: *unclear if he's still breathing*
Ashley: Williams to Dr. Chakwas - I'm sorry I've to wake you, but this is an emergency. Shepard collapsed ...
Shepard: *still no clear lifesigns*
Ashley: Just don't die, do you hear me, Skip? Stay with me ... please ...

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Ideas anyone?

[edit]

Actually, I beblieve only a devoted paragon Shepard might react like that. A renegade Shepard wouldn't suffer such breakdown, a paragade / renagon Shepard MIGHT have a similar story. My short dialogue is - however - heavily condensed and therefore "out of character".

Modifié par CptData, 30 septembre 2011 - 07:46 .

[Valdrane78]

Not sure if this has been said, but I didn't feel like reading through all SIX HUNDRED pages of this thread to find out.

The poetry she sends to you in her e-mail is the same poetry she quoted the night you and her knocked boots. Which I believe is significant and greatly changed the way I feel about her apology.

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

Very interesting, Shepard going Apocalypse Now on everyone in the end. What he has been through would break most people, and has probably made even the most paragon Shep a little cynical and distrusting of people.
I've already decided my Shep's philosophy by the time of ME3.
"You know what you get for being a hero? Nothing. You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back. blah, blah, blah, atta boy tiger. You eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me, nobody wants to be that guy. I'm doing this because there's nobody else to do it, that's why. If there was someone else to do it I would let them, believe me. But there isn't."
-Live Free or Die Hard

[SandTrout]

StaffSgt. Dignam wrote...

Very interesting, Shepard going Apocalypse Now on everyone in the end. What he has been through would break most people, and has probably made even the most paragon Shep a little cynical and distrusting of people.
I've already decided my Shep's philosophy by the time of ME3.
"You know what you get for being a hero? Nothing. You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back. blah, blah, blah, atta boy tiger. You eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me, nobody wants to be that guy. I'm doing this because there's nobody else to do it, that's why. If there was someone else to do it I would let them, believe me. But there isn't."
-Live Free or Die Hard

The fact that you get Ashley just might make it all worth while, though.

If she dies, my Shepard is going Skywalker (sans emo) on the Reapers.

[CptData]

You also get Ashley as a renegade Shepard. So there is no difference between both extremes. Means StaffSgt. Dignam is right: if everything is falling apart and no one is trusting you, even after all the sacrifices you did/suffered/wha'ever as a (paragon) hero - you won't see any reason to stay on that paragon-path. Then again ... it largely depends on the player. My primary Shep will end this game as paragon, he will stay faithful to Ashley. If there's nothing left to fight for, there's still Ash.

I believe Ashley has a thing for a "real" hero, means a mostly (80+%) paragon Shepard. I just can't see her falling in love with an entirely renegade Shepard, but that's just a matter of taste.

[SandTrout]

I'm already expecting my Paragon to go pretty much Renegade in ME3. At the time, the Paragon choices simply seemed like the most logical to me, but I'm willing to sacrifice a lot of aliens to protect Earth. That's just me, though.

[CptData]

Yep. God thanks we can have our Shepard the way we like ...

My Shepard will gather every ally possible and strike back. I want to defeat the Reapers so totally the surviving ones won't ever think about attacking this galaxy again. And that's a job my Shep can't do alone. Not even with Ash - but so totally not WITHOUT Ash ^^

[Mr. Brainheart]

StaffSgt. Dignam wrote...

Very interesting, Shepard going Apocalypse Now on everyone in the end. What he has been through would break most people, and has probably made even the most paragon Shep a little cynical and distrusting of people.

That's how I would  imagine my Canon Shep to behave aswell. He'll want to dissapear, go under the radar, atleast for a while only letting his best friends know of his whereabouts and he'll preferably be with Ash, she'll be an important factor I think, she is good at putting things back in focus and making sure he won't lose grip on reality. He'd be conflicted about what to think of people: He's seen a lot of idiotry, but in the end they saved the galaxy. Shepard will think about and maybe eventually fight for a sensible peaceful future, as not to waste the victory over the Reapers.

What he has seen and been through will have damaged him mentally though. Not so bad that he can't think or act properly anymore, but it'll certainly change him.

This page lacks Ash (So a small Ash-bomb):


By Jhourney


Not sure who this is from. (Elektrego perhaps?)

Some of my own stuff:





That's better.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 30 septembre 2011 - 08:28 .

[CptData]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

What he has seen and been through will have damaged him mentally though. Not so bad that he can't think or act properly anymore, but it'll certainly change him.

Makes sense. That's what I tried to show with my slightly exaggerated dialogue I posted earlier - Shepard's mind is already slipping and he definitely needs some support by friends and Ash. He needs to know he's not alone fighting the Reapers.

Is it possible for Shepard to have a "normal" life after the events of ME3? Lets say he leaves the Spectres, needs some time to sort things, maybe trying to settle down with Ashley - I doubt his life will turn out "normal". Posttraumatic stress disorder? Possible. Maybe he won't ever stop believing there's still a fleet of Reapers out there, waiting for the right moment to attack once more. Somehow Shepard CAN end as a tragic hero - unable to end his own war with the Reapers and most likely himself, he might break someday.

Chances Shepard will have a family, children and a house are pretty slim - even with an existing relationship. Heck with it - even his friends will end up broken / damaged somehow. Except Jack. She's already broken.

BTW: May I borrow your banner?

Modifié par CptData, 30 septembre 2011 - 08:32 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

What he has seen and been through will have damaged him mentally though. Not so bad that he can't think or act properly anymore, but it'll certainly change him.

Makes sense. That's what I tried to show with my slightly exaggerated dialogue I posted earlier - Shepard's mind is already slipping and he definitely needs some support by friends and Ash. He needs to know he's not alone fighting the Reapers.

Is it possible for Shepard to have a "normal" life after the events of ME3? Lets say he leaves the Spectres, needs some time to sort things, maybe trying to settle down with Ashley - I doubt his life will turn out "normal". Posttraumatic stress disorder? Possible. Maybe he won't ever stop believing there's still a fleet of Reapers out there, waiting for the right moment to attack once more. Somehow Shepard CAN end as a tragic hero - unable to end his own war with the Reapers and most likely himself, he might break someday.

Chances Shepard will have a family, children and a house are pretty slim - even with an existing relationship. Heck with it - even his friends will end up broken / damaged somehow. Except Jack. She's already broken.

BTW: May I borrow your banner?

It's not my banner  so by all means go ahead. (I got it from the first thread post (I'm sure there is a word for that), there are some more banners there aswell.

And I agree, the chances Shepard will start or feel like he should start a family are low. I can see him as a tragic hero, too, but I don't think his disorders will cause him to go insane or anything, it'll probably blur the line between reality and what goes on inside his head, occasionally. That's why I think he needs someone around him that can put his thoughts straight. Ashley seems like a person that's very suited for that and I don't think she'd be damaged by it all too badly. I'd say she'd get over it sooner then Shepard.

[CptData]

Yeah, I hope so too. For Shepards sanity Ash is needed!
(sounds funny, but can't help it)

Then again ... I want a happy end. Not just for the galaxy, but also for Shepard. God, I'm cheesy today O.o

Emergency-Ashley:


Ashley: I'm so sorry, Skipper ... I won't lose faith in you again.

That's one of those lines I want to hear in ME3

Modifié par CptData, 30 septembre 2011 - 09:09 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

Yeah, I hope so too. For Shepards sanity Ash is needed!
(sounds funny, but can't help it)

Then again ... I want a happy end. Not just for the galaxy, but also for Shepard. God, I'm cheesy today O.o

Emergency-Ashley:


Ashley: I'm so sorry, Skipper ... I won't lose faith in you again.

That's one of those lines I want to hear in ME3

Shepard, sitting in a wheelchair never quite recovered, in a mood of extreme pessimism and despair shouts at the military soldiers aiding him: Quickly, I need more(Moar) Ash!
Military soldiers: More Ahs?-I'm sorry sir, I don't follo...
Shepard: More Ash now! God I can't think, not without Ash.
Military soldier: We're on it, sir!
a bit later, Military guy: We've got it, sir, here are your ashes and uh..Looks at the shrink standing behind him..we also brought someone else..sir.
Shepard: Incompetent fools! This is an outrage! did I say ashes? No, I said Ash!
Shrink: There, there...they can't know wh...
Shepard:  *Sweats heavily, his hands shaking* Ashley Madeline Williams, second human Spectre, ofcourse...She can put my mind right again, convince me I'm not surrounded by idiots.

That's my worst case scenario Shepard , I'd think.

[CptData]

Poor Shepard.

Somehow we managed it to make this Ashley-thread to a sad-destiny-of-Shepard-thread ...


BW dude #1: So, what do you think, Jeff? Good end or bad end?
BW dude #2 (Jeff): Have an evil idea ... *whispers*
BW dude #1: *snickers*
BW dude #2 (Jeff): Got it?
BW dude #1: Hehe, that's going to be nasty ... muhahahahar *puts finger to mouth*
BW dude #3: s'up guys?
BW dude #1: Jeff got an idea.
BW dude #3: Not again this dream idea? Shepard wakes up and everything was a dream after he tripped over a basketball?
BW dude #1: Nope
BW dude #3: Then the other dream idea? Shepard wakes up after protean beacon attack in ME?
BW dude #2 (Jeff): Fail, no!
BW dude #3: Last try: Shepard ends in an asylum muttering about spectres and stuff, but he's just a model in the early 21st century that got shot in the head by some random madman?
BW dude #2: Errm ... yes.
BW dude #3: *facepalms*

(Cruel staff is cruel)

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

Poor Shepard.

Somehow we managed it to make this Ashley-thread to a sad-destiny-of-Shepard-thread ...


BW dude #1: So, what do you think, Jeff? Good end or bad end?
BW dude #2 (Jeff): Have an evil idea ... *whispers*
BW dude #1: *snickers*
BW dude #2 (Jeff): Got it?
BW dude #1: Hehe, that's going to be nasty ... muhahahahar *puts finger to mouth*
BW dude #3: s'up guys?
BW dude #1: Jeff got an idea.
BW dude #3: Not again this dream idea? Shepard wakes up and everything was a dream after he tripped over a basketball?
BW dude #1: Nope
BW dude #3: Then the other dream idea? Shepard wakes up after protean beacon attack in ME?
BW dude #2 (Jeff): Fail, no!
BW dude #3: Last try: Shepard ends in an asylum muttering about spectres and stuff, but he's just a model in the early 21st century that got shot in the head by some random madman?
BW dude #2: Errm ... yes.
BW dude #3: *facepalms*

(Cruel staff is cruel)

We should rename the thread

I like BW dude #3, if it weren't for him I'd probably cry at the ending of ME3, at how dissapointing the end was. He's like what Ashley is to a traumatized disordered Shepard.

[CptData]

Naaa ... back to topic. We need more Ashley in this thread!

Am I the only one who's still waiting desperately for a romance DLC for ME2 that continues the romance with Ashley / Kaidan at least for one or two nice missions + dialogues?
Horizon and the lack of being able to continue a ME-romance could be the reason why it's so easy for some ppl to ditch old romance for ME2 romances ...

*sigh*

Don't think there will be any additional DLC covering ME romances

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

Naaa ... back to topic. We need more Ashley in this thread!

Am I the only one who's still waiting desperately for a romance DLC for ME2 that continues the romance with Ashley / Kaidan at least for one or two nice missions + dialogues?
Horizon and the lack of being able to continue a ME-romance could be the reason why it's so easy for some ppl to ditch old romance for ME2 romances ...

*sigh*

Don't think there will be any additional DLC covering ME romances

Well don't you think doing that would nullify Horizon completely (I mean that they split up, that was the one point Horizon did manage to make), unless you can only play that after the suicide mission, then it could work.

Right now I think it would be much more satisfying to meet Ashley again in ME3, with a fresh situation, Shepard back 'with' the Alliance and the Reapers invading. It seems like a logical point for them to cross paths and find eachothers love again. I don't think giving us DLC now would make up for the lack of Ash.  I've accepted ME2 as it is and have come to appreciate what they tried to do with Horizon in an odd way.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 30 septembre 2011 - 10:10 .

[CptData]

Hmm, makes sense. Then again: we had some kind of "Liara romance" with tlotSB - so I can see a romance-DLC for Ash/Kaidan as well. It just shouldn't be available BEFORE the SM. In that case it doesn't fully nullify the events on Horizon (outcome of meeting with Ash/Kaidan), but it's still some progress in the game.

Then again ... I'd like to see that "you weren't faithful / you were faithful" event in ME3, not in ME2. That problem appeas as soon as you're traveling to the Omega-4 relay. A post-SM-DLC would have to deal with other live romances. Lets say, it's kinda difficult to wait for ME3. Yes, the ME-series isn't about love and such. But it's a great feature of the series, especially it gives you an idea what you're - Shepard - fighting for. It's not only the galaxy and the races living in it, it's also for his/her love.

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

Hmm, makes sense. Then again: we had some kind of "Liara romance" with tlotSB - so I can see a romance-DLC for Ash/Kaidan as well. It just shouldn't be available BEFORE the SM. In that case it doesn't fully nullify the events on Horizon (outcome of meeting with Ash/Kaidan), but it's still some progress in the game.

Then again ... I'd like to see that "you weren't faithful / you were faithful" event in ME3, not in ME2. That problem appeas as soon as you're traveling to the Omega-4 relay. A post-SM-DLC would have to deal with other live romances. Lets say, it's kinda difficult to wait for ME3. Yes, the ME-series isn't about love and such. But it's a great feature of the series, especially it gives you an idea what you're - Shepard - fighting for. It's not only the galaxy and the races living in it, it's also for his/her love.

Yeah, it could probably work if it's after the SM, but I think it's better when woven through ME3, it gives a great break from constantly focussing on the reaper invasion and to focus on the small, two persons, instead. I'd say it'll make more of an impact like that. And like you said, they'd also have to touch on being faithful or not. That stands out more in the what I would assume to be frantic times of ME3.

I think there lies more potential in ME3, then ME2 DLC and as much as the wait is indeed killing, I'd rather they fully focus on ME3.

[CptData]

I just hope it's worth all the waiting. And yes, I demand an happy end for my Shepard and his Ashley. At least in "my" ME-universe *g*

Sooo ... bed time. It's past midnight here and my girlfriend won't wait any longer ... means only one more dialogue:

Joker: You know Ashley won't let you do any mission without her being in your squad, commander?
Shepard: I know. Sometimes I'm glad she's with me, but then again - I can't stand the thought she could get killed by some stray shots.
Joker: Then you should tell her.
Shepard: No. She's a soldier, she wouldn't listen to me anyway.
Joker: Then you have to live with that risk. Commander, I'm not the ship's councillor. I can't help you with that.
Shepard: It's okay. Guess I'll have to hope Ash won't get shot ...
Joker: She won't. Now grab your gear and leave my cockpit! Wanna listen to that Asari Stimulus Report #5 (also includes women from Mars).
Shepard: Uhh ... okay ... wha'ever.

[ADLegend21]

I don't think Ashley would be offended if you tell her to sit one out,she deserves rest as much as anyone.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard managed to stiffle a grunt of pain, feeling the pressure on his back increase sharply. The pain moved from his spine to his left shoulderblade. A growl escaped and he couldn't hold it back.

"Oh shut up you big baby!" Ash's voice muttered with annoyance from above him. "It's your fault, you know!"

"How is it my faul - ARGH!"

"Who was the idiot who fell of a platform and landed flat on his back? Who was the idiot who didn't listen to the AI and take a step back when he ordered the orbital strike?" Ash put pressure on the huge, purple-black bruise from his right shoulder-blade down to his kidney. 

"Doesn't mean you can't be gentl - Son of a ****, Ash! Ease up!" Shepard half demanded, half begged. 

"Stop whining you big baby!" She pushed down dead centre of the bruise,

"Ah! F*ck!" He hissed in pain.

"Trust me - I'd rather be doing that than this..." She muttered barely audibly,

"What was that?" 

"Nothing.":P 

XD



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