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[PMC65]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Yea. I agree with Hotdogbsg, it's slightly terrible to have a decision like that. And my god, how many times has that cliche been pulled off? Its boring, old, predicable and frankly if it happens, I'm just gonna put the game down and walk away. I didn't sacrifice Kaiden, stay loyal in 2 only to lose Ash in the third.

And you'd be losing the LI either way.

Even if you choose to let them live I'd doubt they'd be happy with the death of all those people on their conscience.

Every fan thread has this same worry about their LI being the [place LI name here] vs [place person/place/thing here].

Given that there are a million LI's (ok, a slight overexaggeration ) I'm not even sure how Bioware could rig the game to put that specific LI on the edge. Virmire was easier because you could only have three LI's in that and only two were gender specific, so Liara got the pass.

This time around I would think that the choice would be on a more grand level ... geth vs quarian for example.

Individuals could be at risk like the SM in ME2 but even then you could bring all of them through.

CHud wrote today when talking about being successful in ME3 - "In ME2 greater success meant more survivors. Same, on a bigger scale, for ME3."

TOP .... "Virmire this!"

Modifié par PMC65, 12 octobre 2011 - 11:33 .

[Aurora313]

Lol - Ash insider exclusive, I love it. Though as a graphic designer, I'm trying not to rip it to pieces because of poor layout (not trying to be an offence, I swear.). Sorry, graphic designer in me wants to rework it, but I'm too lazy.. -.-


ZOMG! PAGE 300! Top Ashley please?

Modifié par Aurora313, 12 octobre 2011 - 11:32 .

[hotdogbsg]

Aurora313 wrote...

Can we not talk about losing Ash now? How about we talk about keeping Ash? That sounds fun :-D

I'm actually a new Ashley fan. For whatever reason her character didn't appeal to me at first.

But the fact she has faults makes her more believable and ultimately more likeable.

[Aurora313]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Can we not talk about losing Ash now? How about we talk about keeping Ash? That sounds fun :-D

I'm actually a new Ashley fan. For whatever reason her character didn't appeal to me at first.

But the fact she has faults makes her more believable and ultimately more likeable.

I went with Ash because, well. Liara was just completely unlikable to me. And Seriously? Shepard screwing the young alien who so willing falls in his thrall? Dear god in heaven, he's not Captain Kirk! I just didn;t like how Liara said pretty much 'I'm young, I'm vulnerable, I mind-raped you and I love you'. My god, my Shepard feels a connection for her, but he's part of the  'Ashley 4 Life' club.

[MegaBadExample]

Aurora313 wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Can we not talk about losing Ash now? How about we talk about keeping Ash? That sounds fun :-D

I'm actually a new Ashley fan. For whatever reason her character didn't appeal to me at first.

But the fact she has faults makes her more believable and ultimately more likeable.

I went with Ash because, well. Liara was just completely unlikable to me. And Seriously? Shepard screwing the young alien who so willing falls in his thrall? Dear god in heaven, he's not Captain Kirk! I just didn;t like how Liara said pretty much 'I'm young, I'm vulnerable, I mind-raped you and I love you'. My god, my Shepard feels a connection for her, but he's part of the  'Ashley 4 Life' club.

My Shepard went with Ash because she's got fire and balls. He needs someone like that, who's not afraid of telling him  'how it is'

Ash is a soldier like him, who's independent and knows how to punch, fight, tackle and get dirty with that sexy hand 2 hand stuff. Plus, with Shepard being a complete stuck-up-cow at times he needs someone who can make him *smile* and crack a joke or two.

He cares about Liara a lot though, and trusts her the most, but he loves Ash.

Though, I've been thinking that their relationship probably can't work out in the long run. It really depends on how far Ashley is willing to go to be with Shepard. I can't see her leaving the Alliance at all, not even for someone like Shepard who she loves. It's something I would like to find out in ME3. How far would she go?

[IronSabbath88]

I'll be honest, my Shepard went with Ash because she's just a smoking hot chick

But I also found her character great as I played, so that just cemented the idea that I made the right choice. I will never look back.

Also, 300 pages of Ashley Williams love!

[MegaBadExample]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Can we not talk about losing Ash now? How about we talk about keeping Ash? That sounds fun :-D

I'm actually a new Ashley fan. For whatever reason her character didn't appeal to me at first.

But the fact she has faults makes her more believable and ultimately more likeable.

My first impression wasn't all that good either. I played ME2 first and then met Ashley on Horizon....

I was like... "WHO THE HELL?! I JUST SAVED YO ASS AND THE ENTIRE COLONY FROM BUGS! AND YOU'RE ALL UP IN MY FACE!?"

Well, something like that.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I think she'd leave the alliance for Shepard... I mean just look at the locker scene and right before Ilos. She talks about how they are breaking the rules and risking court martial and she doesn't even care.

And I hope you meant "balls" ... not in a literal way there MegaBad.

[Aurora313]

She's become a Spectre so the rules don't so much apply to her anymore, and Shepard admits that he 'technically isn't alliance at all anymore' during Tali's trial, though he still follows them and takes their cues because it's what he was conditioned to do, despite Cerberus trying to lead him around to their ideals.

Ash would probably have to decide how far she's willing to go for Shepard now she has the capacity to follow him to the end, but whether she wants to go that far is her choice. Shepard saw the beacon messages, not Ashley. She knows he wouldn't lie to her, but she doesn't know how much of them that his mind has made up as part of trying to gain some sense from a jumbled chaos of images. She doesn't know how much of the images may have mixed with his own memories of (in my Shepard's case) Akuze, or Elysium or Trofan and composed an entirely different meaning all together.

... now it feels like I'm grasping at straws, but the mind creates things and shatters itself in order to survive. How does Ash know that it's not happening to shepard, if not already?

[MegaBadExample]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

I think she'd leave the alliance for Shepard... I mean just look at the locker scene and right before Ilos. She talks about how they are breaking the rules and risking court martial and she doesn't even care.

And I hope you meant "balls" ... not in a literal way there MegaBad.

Don't worry Ashley doesn't have balls well not in that way.  I think...I'll tweet Casey just to be sure...

...

That's true, I suppose, but it was different. She didn't retire, she was giving up her career for the greater good, for life everywhere. Ashley knew the stakes.

They all thought Ilos was a 1-way trip and Ash probably thought... now or never. "Last night alive...F**k this! I'm going to Shepard's cabin!" For some...hubba. Be honest guys, if you thought it was your last night alive... you'd go to that person who you've totally been digging for some...hubba.

After fighting so hard to get to where she is with her career, I just can't see her signing a file and walking out of an office. IMO I think Ash would take that as 'the cowards way out'

I just can't see her walking away from the Alliance for love. Who's knows? Maybe they can work out a long-distance relationship with sexy web-cam time every week.

[PMC65]

@MegaBadExample ...
 
I've been debating about how PV Shepard can make it with Ash if they end up together again.

With both serving in the Alliance they are more likely than not going to be stationed on different ships. How would the relationship survive? And PV grew up on ships an only kid ... he wants his kid to have siblings and be in a more traditional upbringing. A house somewhere. Would Ash leave the Alliance, give up her career and become her own mother? I'm thinking a big no. It almost makes more sense for him to stay with Miranda then return to Ashley in the long run.

Oh, l'amour, l'amour!

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Ashley's love for the alliance isn't all consuming... where you guys got that idea, I have no idea. She loves family and IMO she loves Shepard. OF COURSE, she's not gonna want to settle down for now, but imo at some point she will and she will want a family.

Just think if the safety of her sisters or something to do with her family came up.... you think she would stay with the alliance over helping them? I don't think so... and I think she'd do the same for a Shepard that she loved.

As for the whole being apart while still serving thing.... at least one of them is a spectre and with that kind of pull, I'm sure they could get assigned to the same ship/unit.

[Aurora313]

I honestly think that Ash would refuse to leave the Normandy and the Normandy crew are monolithic, they'd follow Shepard to hell and back because they know he will get them out again. He has earned their trust, respect awe and admiration. What other good CO can claim the same thing?

The Normandy belongs to Shepard. He can use his rights as a Spectre to say " eff off, my ship." To anyone who wants to take it. Ash can use her authority to say "I'm staying on Normandy" to anyone how tries to reassign her. Spectres can do anything if it gets their mission done.

[MegaBadExample]

PMC65 wrote...

@MegaBadExample ...
 
I've been debating about how PV Shepard can make it with Ash if they end up together again.

With both serving in the Alliance they are more likely than not going to be stationed on different ships. How would the relationship survive? And PV grew up on ships an only kid ... he wants his kid to have siblings and be in a more traditional upbringing. A house somewhere. Would Ash leave the Alliance, give up her career and become her own mother? I'm thinking a big no. It almost makes more sense for him to stay with Miranda then return to Ashley in the long run.

Oh, l'amour, l'amour!

I've been thinking along the same lines. Though, if your Shepard returns to Miranda he isn't gonna have kids. This all depends whether or not Ashley wants kids, but if your Shepard wants kids, then he should stay with Ash.

If Ashley and Shepard work things out in ME3, and wanted to be together... then I could maybe see Ashley making time...a few years later... for 'a kid' somewhere in between. But after he/she has been born I can see her taking off to the Alliance again. IMO.

It's something I would like to know. I hope bioware touch on it in ME3.

[PMC65]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Ashley's love for the alliance isn't all consuming... where you guys got that idea, I have no idea. She loves family and IMO she loves Shepard. OF COURSE, she's not gonna want to settle down for now, but imo at some point she will and she will want a family.

Just think if the safety of her sisters or something to do with her family came up.... you think she would stay with the alliance over helping them? I don't think so... and I think she'd do the same for a Shepard that she loved.

As for the whole being apart while still serving thing.... at least one of them is a spectre and with that kind of pull, I'm sure they could get assigned to the same ship/unit.

Hi Reed ... I think that's where each of our Shepard's come into play. PV knows that Ashley needs to shine without him so he would never agree to being on the same ship as her. He also admires her independence and would not think of asking her to give up her career.

That is why I think given what he (my Shepard) wants and what Ash needs ... they may conflict.

This is no way means to represent your Shepard and Ash love story.

[PMC65]

MegaBadExample wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

@MegaBadExample ...
 
I've been debating about how PV Shepard can make it with Ash if they end up together again.

With both serving in the Alliance they are more likely than not going to be stationed on different ships. How would the relationship survive? And PV grew up on ships an only kid ... he wants his kid to have siblings and be in a more traditional upbringing. A house somewhere. Would Ash leave the Alliance, give up her career and become her own mother? I'm thinking a big no. It almost makes more sense for him to stay with Miranda then return to Ashley in the long run.

Oh, l'amour, l'amour!

I've been thinking along the same lines. Though, if your Shepard returns to Miranda he isn't gonna have kids. This all depends whether or not Ashley wants kids, but if your Shepard wants kids, then he should stay with Ash.

If Ashley and Shepard work things out in ME3, and wanted to be together... then I could maybe see Ashley making time...a few years later... for 'a kid' somewhere in between. But after he/she has been born I can see her taking off to the Alliance again. IMO.

It's something I would like to know. I hope bioware touch on it in ME3.

Aaah, the Miranda baby thing. I play that he never looked at her file out of respect on the Shadow Broker base so that is another hmmmmm. He doesn't know and I'm wondering if that will even be touched on in ME3. So many questions in both of my Shepard's lives.

[MegaBadExample]

Aurora313 wrote...

I honestly think that Ash would refuse to leave the Normandy and the Normandy crew are monolithic, they'd follow Shepard to hell and back because they know he will get them out again. He has earned their trust, respect awe and admiration. What other good CO can claim the same thing?

The Normandy belongs to Shepard. He can use his rights as a Spectre to say " eff off, my ship." To anyone who wants to take it. Ash can use her authority to say "I'm staying on Normandy" to anyone how tries to reassign her. Spectres can do anything if it gets their mission done.

That's true, but some Shepard's might like to put an end to the fighting y'know? I know my canon doesn't plan on staying with the Alliance or the Spectres for another decade or so...maybe a few years at most. Honestly, with the reapers gone why fight? There's other bad guys out there but nothing as major as reaper fleets. He's done his job...Now he'd like to retire somewhere sunny in the future and hopefully Ashley will be there with him. Though I can't see it. I can see them being together, but I can't see Ash leaving the Alliance for good to make a man happy.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

PMC65 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Ashley's love for the alliance isn't all consuming... where you guys got that idea, I have no idea. She loves family and IMO she loves Shepard. OF COURSE, she's not gonna want to settle down for now, but imo at some point she will and she will want a family.

Just think if the safety of her sisters or something to do with her family came up.... you think she would stay with the alliance over helping them? I don't think so... and I think she'd do the same for a Shepard that she loved.

As for the whole being apart while still serving thing.... at least one of them is a spectre and with that kind of pull, I'm sure they could get assigned to the same ship/unit.

Hi Reed ... I think that's where each of our Shepard's come into play. PV knows that Ashley needs to shine without him so he would never agree to being on the same ship as her. He also admires her independence and would not think of asking her to give up her career.

That is why I think given what he (my Shepard) wants and what Ash needs ... they may conflict.

This is no way means to represent your Shepard and Ash love story.

*insert awkward hello to PMC here*

I never said that my or yours or whoevers' Shepard would ask her to give up her career, but I think (as big as Ash is on family) ... that at some point she would want her own. Meaning she'd give up her career willingly. 

I don't think the difference here is our Shepards, but more of how we see Ashley. You think she's all about her career, whereas I think she joined mostly for redeeming her family name and for putting hyper velocity rounds into the heads of bad guys and is really big on family. She's done the first and at some point the second will come to an end.... leaving the third.

[Aurora313]

While that is true, some Shepard may believe (particularly the Earthborn) that the only thing they know how to do is fight until he or his enemy are dead.The only way I see though Shepard leaving the Alliance is through either a body bag or dragged off to an asylum. I don't doubt Shepard having severe PTSD when this is through.

[PMC65]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Ashley's love for the alliance isn't all consuming... where you guys got that idea, I have no idea. She loves family and IMO she loves Shepard. OF COURSE, she's not gonna want to settle down for now, but imo at some point she will and she will want a family.

Just think if the safety of her sisters or something to do with her family came up.... you think she would stay with the alliance over helping them? I don't think so... and I think she'd do the same for a Shepard that she loved.

As for the whole being apart while still serving thing.... at least one of them is a spectre and with that kind of pull, I'm sure they could get assigned to the same ship/unit.

Hi Reed ... I think that's where each of our Shepard's come into play. PV knows that Ashley needs to shine without him so he would never agree to being on the same ship as her. He also admires her independence and would not think of asking her to give up her career.

That is why I think given what he (my Shepard) wants and what Ash needs ... they may conflict.

This is no way means to represent your Shepard and Ash love story.

*insert awkward hello to PMC here*

I never said that my or yours or whoevers' Shepard would ask her to give up her career, but I think (as big as Ash is on family) ... that at some point she would want her own. Meaning she'd give up her career willingly. 

I don't think the difference here is our Shepards, but more of how we see Ashley. You think she's all about her career, whereas I think she joined mostly for redeeming her family name and for putting hyper velocity rounds into the heads of bad guys and is really big on family. She's done the first and at some point the second will come to an end.... leaving the third.

Well my Shepard hopes you are right regarding her career! We do agree on her desire though for a family in the future but I'm not so sure she would like that soccer mom life. Okay, I just started laughing at the thought of her attending a PTA meeting.

I'm really waiting on how ME3 plays out to see if they have a future and if so, what kind of future. He may not have a second chance with Ash after Miranda so anything can happen.   

[MegaBadExample]

@Reed

I can definitely see a 30 or 40 year old Ash wanting a kid of her own too - only if it fitted in with her career. She's big on family, yes, she's raised her sisters, she knows how time consuming that is. For Ashley to leave the Alliance...Her and Shepard would have to be very dedicated to starting a family of their own.

Even if her family name wasn't black-listed she would've joined the Alliance to carry on the family tradition. That's how much it means to her, she loves her job. My Shepard would never ask her to give up her career for him, never. It would have to be something Ashley did on her own for 'them'

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

MegaBadExample wrote...

@Reed

I can definitely see a 30 or 40 year old Ash wanting a kid of her own too - only if it fitted in with her career. She's big on family, yes, she's raised her sisters, she knows how time consuming that is. For Ashley to leave the Alliance...Her and Shepard would have to be very dedicated to starting a family of their own.

Even if her family name wasn't black-listed she would've joined the Alliance to carry on the family tradition. That's how much it means to her, she loves her job. My Shepard would never ask her to give up her career for him, never. It would have to be something Ashley did on her own for 'them'

I was thinking more like 50 to 60 year old Ash... don't humans live until like 150 in the ME universe (and still look 20 when they're 40 etc)? I think they would be dedicated to having a family.... down the line b/c they enjoy what they do as of now, but at some point... it's gonna get old.

Notice how it would be to "carry on the FAMILY tradition"? She loves the job b/c it's what her family does... if she doesn't start a family, she has no one to keep that Williams tradition going.... she won't be able to teach little shepley's to kick perverted boys' asses... or teach them how to outshoot their father at a hundred meters, etc. I think she'd want that. 

[MegaBadExample]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

@Reed

I can definitely see a 30 or 40 year old Ash wanting a kid of her own too - only if it fitted in with her career. She's big on family, yes, she's raised her sisters, she knows how time consuming that is. For Ashley to leave the Alliance...Her and Shepard would have to be very dedicated to starting a family of their own.

Even if her family name wasn't black-listed she would've joined the Alliance to carry on the family tradition. That's how much it means to her, she loves her job. My Shepard would never ask her to give up her career for him, never. It would have to be something Ashley did on her own for 'them'

I was thinking more like 50 to 60 year old Ash... don't humans live until like 150 in the ME universe (and still look 20 when they're 40 etc)? I think they would be dedicated to having a family.... down the line b/c they enjoy what they do as of now, but at some point... it's gonna get old.

Notice how it would be to "carry on the FAMILY tradition"? She loves the job b/c it's what her family does... if she doesn't start a family, she has no one to keep that Williams tradition going.... she won't be able to teach little shepley's to kick perverted boys' asses... or teach them how to outshoot their father at a hundred meters, etc. I think she'd want that. 

60? I dunno about the future...but in this day and age that's very unlikely to have kid. Besides not everyone lives long, Ashley's father passed and he wasn't very old I believe. If they wanted a shepley baby, I think they'd try a lot sooner than that.

My Shepard is already kinda tired of blasting guys into dust. He wants to chill after the reapers! He's earned that! But I dont think Ash would leave with him that soon. Making me believe that their relationship can't work out.

Yeah...Yeah...I can totally see Ashley wanting to carry on her blood...AFTER she's climbed the career ladder to the highest step.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

MegaBadExample wrote...

60? I dunno about the future...but in this day and age that's very unlikely to have kid. Besides not everyone lives long, Ashley's father passed and he wasn't very old I believe. If they wanted a shepley baby, I think they'd try a lot sooner than that.

My Shepard is already kinda tired of blasting guys into dust. He wants to chill after the reapers! He's earned that! But I dont think Ash would leave with him that soon. Making me believe that their relationship can't work out.

Yeah...Yeah...I can totally see Ashley wanting to carry on her blood...AFTER she's climbed the career ladder to the highest step.

well, we ARE talking about the future... and I'm pretty sure I saw/read somewhere that humans live twice as long as they do now and they look much younger than they actually are. B/c I, like you, don't think she is gonna get out of the military this quick... she's already like 28 or so right? So if you're saying 30... that's only a couple more years. 

technically... she already has. She's already a spectre! 

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

I'm pretty mellow about this issue right now, because I liked in ME1 how you just got to infer what happened at the end based on your Shep's personality and relationship with Ash.
Now that it is a trilogy and all, I think it would be pretty cool for it to end with Ashley and Shepard talking about the future with some epic music(Like The Faunts' song in the first game, god that was epic!) playing in the background. I don't want a Chronicles of Riddick ending to the love story, even though "You keep what you kill" is pretty awesome...
Anywhoo, Ashley is still awesome and I'm still considering entering a cryo sleep until March.