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[MegaBadExample]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

60? I dunno about the future...but in this day and age that's very unlikely to have kid. Besides not everyone lives long, Ashley's father passed and he wasn't very old I believe. If they wanted a shepley baby, I think they'd try a lot sooner than that.

My Shepard is already kinda tired of blasting guys into dust. He wants to chill after the reapers! He's earned that! But I dont think Ash would leave with him that soon. Making me believe that their relationship can't work out.

Yeah...Yeah...I can totally see Ashley wanting to carry on her blood...AFTER she's climbed the career ladder to the highest step.

well, we ARE talking about the future... and I'm pretty sure I saw/read somewhere that humans live twice as long as they do now and they look much younger than they actually are. B/c I, like you, don't think she is gonna get out of the military this quick... she's already like 28 or so right? So if you're saying 30... that's only a couple more years. 

technically... she already has. She's already a spectre! 

Yes, they can, but that doesn't mean....Y'know....Women....I'm not gonna go into detail for the sake of all our souls, but I don't think that....thing....has changed. LOL

...I've changed my mind, I'm saying 40.  My Shepard will maybe serve a few years more...like say four, then after that, he's retiring while he still has his limbs. I don't think Ashley will go with him or wait for him.

I meant the Alliance ranks...She has the potential to climb higher...because she's so damn good.

[afgmraven]

A lot of people drop Ashley in me2 just because of their little fight. I have created a series of simple images as to why their choice was wrong.







(Sorry if it's too memey wasn't intentional.)
Edit:(Scaled pics down abit)

Modifié par afgmraven, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:58 .

[PMC65]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

*snip*
already a spectre! 

And that is one of the things that I find absolutely interesting. How did she go from a gunnery chief to a Spectre? How does she feel about it? What has she been doing? So many more questions ... Did someone mention sleeping until March?

Did I mention that I teared up when I first saw Ash in the demo? No game has ever done that to me. Or saw me wait over 3 hours to play the demo! Yep, I'm hooked!

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

@ afgmraven

BAHAHAHA! yeah... that's probably the gist of it, for sure.

Though, you shoulda used the rape face pic for the last one:

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 13 octobre 2011 - 01:55 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

PMC65 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

*snip*
already a spectre! 

And that is one of the things that I find absolutely interesting. How did she go from a gunnery chief to a Spectre? How does she feel about it? What has she been doing? So many more questions ... Did someone mention sleeping until March?

Did I mention that I teared up when I first saw Ash in the demo? No game has ever done that to me. Or saw me wait over 3 hours to play the demo! Yep, I'm hooked!

LOL @ the part of my quote you left!

Already a spectre! XD Sounds so snarky! Something Ash would say! haha

[MegaBadExample]

LOL YES! FULLY SUPPORTS WORLD-MOVING-MAKE-UP-SEX IN ME3.

*Sigh* How did we get back to this...?

[Badpie]

afgmraven wrote...

A lot of people drop Ashley in me2 just because of their little fight. I have created a series of simple images as to why their choice was wrong.







(Sorry if it's too memey wasn't intentional.)
Edit:(Scaled pics down abit)

Ha!  This is great!

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

afgmraven wrote...

A lot of people drop Ashley in me2 just because of their little fight. I have created a series of simple images as to why their choice was wrong.







(Sorry if it's too memey wasn't intentional.)
Edit:(Scaled pics down abit)

Ha!  This is great!

bahaha that is adorable.

[JedTed]

afgmraven wrote...

OMGWTF!?!  I think that looks even creeper than the Sheploo "rape face".

Oh and i agree, that's probebly the best reason i've seen to stay loyal to Ash.

[ADLegend21]

haha Jed I can see Ashley being all "DO NOT WANT" at the Sheploo face.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

What about this one?

[CptData]

O_o
I'm a bit disappointed ... *sniff* - I missed the mighty 300


Wha'ever. Just a couple of things:

VS plot armor and "no one is guaranteed to be permament squadmate in ME3"

Hang on: that doesn't mean there is no chance for a permanent squadmate. Maybe there are "so called plot twists" which could lead to someones death if not prevented by doing this mission or picking certain dialogue options. Like in ME - Wrex can get killed on Virmire if your can't convince him. Either you have to shot him - or Ashley will do so. Also she or Kaidan can get killed - if you're a hairsplitter, you can say at least three of six squadmates can not be seen as "permament squadmates". 
Or ME2 - if you check the game, none of your squadmates are "permanent" or "unkillable". Zaeed can die on his LM. The rest of the crew can die as well - the only exception is Joker. Only he will make it through everything, he's the only "permanent squadmate".

So far only Joker, the VS and Liara are guaranteed to survive ME2.

ME3? I'm sure we'll see something similar - but it can happen a squadmate dies in the middle of the game, not at the end (ME2) or on player's choice (ME).


My Ashley will make it through. Actually, there is only ONE reason that makes me deciding against her life - when having to save an entire race. Don't want her living with the guilt I picked her over the Hanar or Volus ...

[Aurora313]

Roxanna shepard would pick Ash over batarians anyway. Mindior and old grudges being what they are. John Shepard would find a way to evade them both.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Roxanna shepard would pick Ash over batarians anyway. Mindior and old grudges being what they are. John Shepard would find a way to evade them both.

Dunno if there are any Batarians left to rescue in ME3. After all, the Reaper will make it through their space and I'm sure they won't ignore the Batarians (check out that canibal husk!!!) Besides that, somehow I can feel with those guys. Yeah, they seem to be most used enemy in ME2, like the Geth in ME. Now there's at least a chance for some Shepards Geth will become a powerful ally in the war against the Reapers.
And yes, I know, BW wrote them to be the "bad guys", terrorists. Then you never visited one of their worlds - just one random prison world in the Bahak system. The player has no idea about Batarian society. Do most Batarians support their government? Are they okay with the idea "humans are evil"? Or are they more or less like humans with same dreams and desires, just their government f*cked up the situation and they have to pay for it?
All we know about them is that their economy relies on slavery and some of their males have a tendency to become mercenaries.
 
That's what I have in my mind. No one is entirely evil (except the Reapers maybe). The Krogans may have a different look on things, but they are not evil. The Rachni were used as tools - they're not evil. The Geth? Just a minority were out of war. The rest could even find a consensus not only to allow Quarians to come back peacefully but also to become an ally in the upcoming war. And the Batarians? Yep, you've got it. Same deal.

So I don't believe there is no chance or no way to save at least a small portion of their people in ME3. I'd do so. Hopeless paragon


As I said before there must be a REALLY good reason to sacrifice Ashley:

- Saving an entire race
- Saving the galaxy

I wouldn't sacrifice her for just a colony or two. It has to be the "big deal", nothing less. And more important - I'd do it for her. She almost got broken after Virmire - since she couldn't understand why I left Kaidan, not her, on Virmire. What do you think will happen to Ashley if you put her over an entire race?

Ashley could never love Shepard again. In her eyes he became a war criminal - killing countless billions for just one life. Because of an egoistical decision. That will make Shepard to a monster in Ash's eyes.

Modifié par CptData, 13 octobre 2011 - 06:36 .

[Aurora313]

I guess they should be that the ones Shepard had killed inadvertently during Arrival didn't suffer the pain of being turned into zombified tools or indoctrinated.

[Aurora313]

Should be grateful sorry. F...ing phone autocorrect

[CptData]

Aurora: have updated my post and added some lines so you can understand why I don't consider the Batarians as "evil".

However, enough of them, have an Ashley!

[Mr. Brainheart]

@Data; Perhaps the choice wouldn't make him look like a complete monster if he did it because he felt like collapsing if he'd lose Ash, at a time when he still has a crucial role in the galaxy..it'd stll be a renegade choice and Ash wouldn't agree, ofcourse, but perhaps she could ultimately understand, even if it wouldn't justify the deaths.

@Elek; Lol. Actually, I'm not sure what I thought, I'm pretty sure it was morning when I posted and since I have a rather coffee needy brain, I wouldn't be suprised if I didn't realize.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I'd be down for saving the race IF I had the option to have Shepard commit suicide right after. Mine can NOT live without Ash... (Horizon killed him and Ash was alive then! lol), but he wouldn't want her to have the guilt or to hate him for saving her. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. A catch 22, if you will.

[CptData]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Data; Perhaps the choice wouldn't make him look like a complete monster if he did it because he felt like collapsing if he'd lose Ash, at a time when he still has a crucial role in the galaxy..it'd stll be a renegade choice and Ash wouldn't agree, ofcourse, but perhaps she could ultimately understand, even if it wouldn't justify the deaths.

I can't concur here. Right now we don't even know what Ashley is going to say about the outcome of "Arrival" - 300k Batarians dead because Shepard destroyed a Mass relay to prevent an invasion of Reapers while there is no proof if they were coming that time. All evidence was destroyed with the Bahak system - and the only one knowing EXACTLY what was going on there is Shepard - the very same person that destroyed the Mass relay.

I'm sure Ashley can understand why Shepard had to destroy that system. I wonder if it's going to make a difference if you took on "Arrival" BEFORE or AFTER the Suicide Mission. In case it does, I'll have at least two Shepard-imports dealing with that issue.
Lets say, Ash will be mad at you if you destroyed that system BEFORE SM, because she'll think you did it for Cerberus. She won't be mad if you did it AFTER SM, because then Shepard wasn't working for Cerberus anymore (and no other member of his crew as well).

I wonder if that's going to have an influence on Ashley & Dialogue with her.

However, all this doesn't matter if Shepard saves Ashley by sacrificing an entire race. It's a so monstrous deed, Ash won't be able to look into Shepard's eyes without seeing the guilt of a mass murderer. That's what I believe. Dunno if I got the right idea of Ash here ... she seems to be a very rightful person. While others see her as paragade, I see Ashley as paragon with just a tiny hint of renegade (90/10% or so)

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

I'd be down for saving the race IF I had the option to have Shepard commit suicide right after. Mine can NOT live without Ash... (Horizon killed him and Ash was alive then! lol), but he wouldn't want her to have the guilt or to hate him for saving her. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. A catch 22, if you will.

True. Mine won't exactly "live" without her as well. Dunno if he's going to move on one day, but I'm sure my Shepard will try everything to save the galaxy to honor her, making her death even more meaningful. Even if it means he has to sacrifice his own life at the end.
Basically, Ash must live if Shepard wants to go through and survive the war - but being a rightful person, my Shepard won't put the burden of "being alive by the sacrifice of billions" on Ashleys shoulders.

Modifié par CptData, 13 octobre 2011 - 08:03 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

I think Ashley is a bit more renegade then that, she almost always suggests you the renegade choice, that doesn't mean she's evil or anything, she's very precautious and rather doesn't take leaps of faith: The rachni were dangerous, as to protect the universe it's better to kill it, for instance. She was considered a renegade-ish character in ME1, by the writers atleast.

But like Reed said, it's a horrible choice and he's damned either way...

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 13 octobre 2011 - 08:09 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Crashing into the last reaper's core to destroy him after saving the turian race and Ashley dying as a consequence? My Shepard will take that... even if it could have been done without it.

Of course, maybe he could just butter up the illusive man and have him lazarus Ashley for him?

[CptData]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

I think Ashley is a bit more renegade then that, she almost always suggests you the renegade choice, that doesn't mean she's evil or anything, she's very precautious and rather doesn't take leaps of faith: The rachni were dangerous, as to protect the universe it's better to kill it, for instance. She was considered a renegade-ish character in ME1, by the writers atleast.

But like Reed said, it's a horrible choice and he's damned either way...

Suggesting is not the same like doing. I'm glad Ashley is NOT in charge in ME. In ME3 Ashley could be a tad different from ME!Ash - after all, she learned a lot from Shepard. Maybe some of his decisions and his morality shaped Ashley as well. A renegade Shepard could see a renegade Ash in ME3, a paragon one will face a paragon Ash. Who knows?

Besides that - releasing that Rachni Queen is - in my eyes - not a decision between renegade or paragon. And it's not a "real" genocide, if you kill one last being of that race - Thorian anyone?
It's more a decision between "trust the queen she won't rebuild an army and avenge her lost people" and "make sure she can't do that". In my case, I saved her, even if that's going to be a problem in ME3. Maybe Ashley will rub Shepard's nose in for that - my fault. Can take it.