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[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

You wanna write one, go ahead. I've got my muse back for Duet Effect.

Awkward conversation between adopted siblings is awkward, lol.

Maybe. But this dialogue is your baby and I lack any ideas right now - especially since your Shepard is a tad different from mine *g*

Looking forward for next chapter, Aurora


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Modifié par CptData, 18 octobre 2011 - 11:19 .

[Aurora313]

*in loft*

Ashley: I'm sorry John. I didn't know -
Shepard: Of course you didn't know. I tried to explain things and you shut me down! You would not even listen to me 'cause you were so bloody caught up in your emotions you wouldn't even let me speak!
Ashley: John, please -
Shepard: Look - I completely understand thinking I was dead. Hell you even saw it. What did you want me to say when I first saw you! "I'm sorry I was killed. I'm sorry I was still conscious while I was burning up in atmosphere. I'm sorry that when I woke up two years later, fate cruelly put me under Cerberus' thumb. I'm sorry I couldn't contact you because I was DEAD!" Just what the f*cking hell did you want me to say?!
Ashley: John, stop it please. You're scaring me!
Shepard: Well answer the question, what did you want me to say back then? I loved you then and the only way you could have ripped out my heart even more was if you literallly did it. You have no idea how much what you said f*cked me up! I had a warmer reception from Roxanna, and she pointed a gun to my head and damnwell near pulled the trigger! So answer my question. What did you want me to say?
Ashley: *too shocked for words, quickly and quietly gets up to leave*
Shepard: *grimances at his loss of control. Fists his right hand, raises it and punches himself across the face.* F*cking moron!

Sorry - Shepard rage, but he makes a valid point.

Modifié par Aurora313, 18 octobre 2011 - 11:32 .

[CptData]

Actually, that sounds like Shepard.

He's in control of his emotions throughout the game - but when it comes to Ashley, he IS quite emotional. At least that's how I picture him. And since he IS heartbroken in ME2 after Horizon (heck with it, I felt really bad, how would feel Shepard if he were real?) it's is totally understandable if he yells at Ash.

Kudos, Aurora

[Aurora313]

But people are saying Shepard should apologise to Ashley. What in hell should be apologising for? Dying? The Collectors wanting him dead? The Reapers wanting him dead? Cerberus turning him into their ****? Them being the only ones actually doing something with the state of the galaxy?

WHAT. SHOULD. HE. APOLOGISE. FOR?


edit: Also, can you see Shepard so disgusted with himself that he could impose physical harm to himself?

Modifié par Aurora313, 18 octobre 2011 - 12:11 .

[Meldwyn301]

For not doing all he could to find and reach out to Ashley right away. He inquires about her, but never goes out of his way to find or communicate with her! She had no idea he was alive, so not her's to pursue! He blew it! Needs to make it up!

[Aurora313]

... damn it...

Completely tore apart my nerd riff. Fudge...

But without anderson telling him anything, how the hell could he find her? Anderson shuts him down saying 'Nope - not while you're with Cerberus.' When you ask after her. And even T.I.M couldn't get any info on her. What is he supposed to do? Apologise for not having any leads to go on aside from a chance encounter on Horizon?

[Meldwyn301]

How much real effort did he put in to it? NONE! If you woke from a 2 year coma, would you ask about your love interest casually, or pull out all the stops to find and reconnect? At the very least, give a note to Anderson to pass along. Get your contacts to contact her. Anything, everything!! Seriously, his first response is... "Hey, Ash, how ya been?" Cheezy!!! No feeling!!

[Meldwyn301]

She is floored by his nonchalant response to seeing her after 2 years! He acts like she was only a fling to him, easy to move on from. Yes, he was dead and being rebuilt, but for goodness sake, he doesn't act like he's missed her at all since waking! And, who knows what rumors TIM has fed her through different channels to try and severe the ties with him so that he doesn't waver in his commitment to Cerberus. She is clueless and he does nothing to prepare her for a reunion.

He has much to apologize for.

[Aurora313]

... Fudge...

Stop deconstructing my nerd rage!

Although, yes Horizon was a horribly written plot shield for Ash. Shepard did have the emotional range of a damp teabag during that encounter. He had more emotion with Liara...

Favouritism, writers!

We should have had a half-way decent reunion, maybe Shepard had to save her like that stranded Quarian in one of the assignments. Maybe he had to save Ash and they could have spoken on the way to an Alliance carrier or the Citadel.

edit: Or Mark Meer could have put in the same emotional tone he did with Liara and the Shadow Broker DLC. I mean, god forbid that Ash is the canon male romance. He could have at least made it sound like he missed her, I agree. Then again, crappy writing is crappy. Bioware screwed us when it came to the VS.

Modifié par Aurora313, 18 octobre 2011 - 12:32 .

[Ross42899]

Raanz wrote...

Lucky Thirteen posted this in another thread.
I totally dig this concept of Ash.

No bun, no go!

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

But people are saying Shepard should apologise to Ashley. What in hell should be apologising for? Dying? The Collectors wanting him dead? The Reapers wanting him dead? Cerberus turning him into their ****? Them being the only ones actually doing something with the state of the galaxy?

WHAT. SHOULD. HE. APOLOGISE. FOR?


edit: Also, can you see Shepard so disgusted with himself that he could impose physical harm to himself?

He can't even apologize for working for Cerberus since he HAS to. Even if it's just to "pay his debts" - after all, Cerberus brought him back plus gave him a new Normandy. And he has a job to do - the very same he would do for the Alliance or the Council: finding out who's abducting the colony & destroying the collector's base.

Poor Shepard.

And yeah, I can see him hurting himself especially when getting hurt by Ash.

// EDIT

Missed that convo. And yes - Shepard never contacted the VS after he came back - on purpose? Lack of interest? Or did he, and it's never shown ingame, either because it got cut out or Cerberus blocked any outgoing messages? Why didn't he ask Anderson post Horizon to get him in touch with Ash?

Still ... poor Shepard. Even more poor Ashley.

Modifié par CptData, 18 octobre 2011 - 12:40 .

[Aurora313]

Whose to say they weren't filtering his messages? Shepard could have sent dozens of emails or messages and Cerberus could have deleted all of them completely. Also - there was no 'reply' button. Kinda hinders progress.

Or they could have been forging replies, who's to say he wasn't chating with someone with someone whom he believed was Ashley but was instead some Cerberus agent who had studied her physcological profile and mannerisms? 

Maybe that's why he acted so non-chalantly?

Then again. I'm just making up scenarios. It didn't happen, but doesn't mean it isn't plausible.

Modifié par Aurora313, 18 octobre 2011 - 12:44 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

But people are saying Shepard should apologise to Ashley. What in hell should be apologising for? Dying? The Collectors wanting him dead? The Reapers wanting him dead? Cerberus turning him into their ****? Them being the only ones actually doing something with the state of the galaxy?

WHAT. SHOULD. HE. APOLOGISE. FOR?


edit: Also, can you see Shepard so disgusted with himself that he could impose physical harm to himself?

He can't even apologize for working for Cerberus since he HAS to. Even if it's just to "pay his debts" - after all, Cerberus brought him back plus gave him a new Normandy. And he has a job to do - the very same he would do for the Alliance or the Council: finding out who's abducting the colony & destroying the collector's base.

Poor Shepard.

And yeah, I can see him hurting himself especially when getting hurt by Ash.

// EDIT

Missed that convo. And yes - Shepard never contacted the VS after he came back - on purpose? Lack of interest? Or did he, and it's never shown ingame, either because it got cut out or Cerberus blocked any outgoing messages? Why didn't he ask Anderson post Horizon to get him in touch with Ash?

Still ... poor Shepard. Even more poor Ashley.

Shepard is on an important mission and he does have some priorities I´d say. I´d say he´s happy to know Ashley´s doing good for herself, but it also looks to him like she´s moved on, she doesn´t have much of a desire to see him anytime soon, that´s because he blew it on Horizon. Even in her mail she states nothing like, I wish I could talk with you right now, instead she encourages him to do his mission. Maybe she´s preocuupied with spectre stuff? Training perhaps?

Shepard should first deal with the Collectors and get his team ready for the fight. Now the fact he can do other side missions nothing to do with either of that does make it a little stranger, but even if he'd make time for her, she'd still be hard to find, Anderson might not even give her location away, even if just to avoid them meeting before they are both ready.

That's my two cents anyway, not the most satisfactory explanation, but it's the best I can think of.

[Ywasibanned]

My Shepard is emotionally detached for the time being. He still loves her, yeah. But what with the ancient aliums threatening to destroy everyone, he's got more important priorities.

As for the brief discussion about her religion in the previous page, I imagine her as a Deist or Pantheist, sort of a sweet spot between believing in a nigh-malevolent god and not believing in anything at all

[CptData]

Also must say Shepard never called his mother. Isn't it odd? You died, come back and don't have time to say "hi mom, I'm not dead by the way" ? Okay, wasn't in that situation before and won't get any time soon - but seriously.

So that gives me three ideas why Shepard did what he did:

1. He's social awkward - at least when it comes to "keeping up friendships / connections". It's not too rare a person forgets to talk to a friend or so once that particular friend isn't around frequently anymore.
Could apply on Shepard, means, he's simply not aware his friends are missing him.

2. Shepard doesn't care. Sounds cruel, especially for a paragon!Shepard. But it could be one of the reasons why he never called his mother or his LI Ashley. Is Shepard social inept to a degree? In that case, how can he be a "great leader" and good with words?

3. He tried. He tried EVERYTHING, but it never was mentioned ingame. I'm not sure if he is aware if any of his (potentially written) messages were send. In that case, why didn't he use a shared communication terminal on the Citadel? Talking to his mother doesn't require a secure channel, sending a message to Ashley "I'm sorry" doesn't either. So what exactly was the reason for NOT calling any of his friends?

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

Shepard is on an important mission and he does have some priorities I´d say. I´d say he´s happy to know Ashley´s doing good for herself, but it also looks to him like she´s moved on, she doesn´t have much of a desire to see him anytime soon, that´s because he blew it on Horizon. Even in her mail she states nothing like, I wish I could talk with you right now, instead she encourages him to do his mission. Maybe she´s preocuupied with spectre stuff? Training perhaps?

Shepard should first deal with the Collectors and get his team ready for the fight. Now the fact he can do other side missions nothing to do with either of that does make it a little stranger, but even if he'd make time for her, she'd still be hard to find, Anderson might not even give her location away, even if just to avoid them meeting before they are both ready.

That's my two cents anyway, not the most satisfactory explanation, but it's the best I can think of.

In that case, why's he going after loyality missions? Why is Shepard taking on minor assignments?
Yes, his mission is "top priority" to him, but he takes time to deal with the issues of his crewmates & people he never saw before. So his schedule doesn't seem to be that tight.

I'd say he had plenty of time to return to Citadel, talk to Anderson and ask for a meeting with Ashley / Kaidan. At least I returned to him one or two missions after Horizon and tried to find out more about Ash - and got nothing.

Modifié par CptData, 18 octobre 2011 - 01:01 .

[Meldwyn301]

Here's the thing.. TIM needs Shepard as much as Shepard needs his crew and the Normandy. Couldn't Shepard have said, "Listen, I am willing to do what you ask, but only if you get me a direct video feed to Ashley no matter where she is or what she's doing. I need to reach her before I do anything else!"

And TIM has the resources and contacts to build NR2, rebuild Shepard, and the intel on everyone else in the galaxy, but not Ashley? Paleeease!!!

It would take 2 hours max! Make the connection so that Shepard can tell her what happened and where he is and what he is doing!!! Or TIM can find someone else to lead the crew!

BOOOM!!! Done!!!

[Aurora313]

ok - enough morbid and somber thoughts. Badass Boast time.

???: You are a fool, Shepard.
Shepard: Ain't the first time someone said that about me.
Ashley: Skipper!
Shepard: By the way, this is my partner Ashley. Nice hair. Has her new gun. Not unlike me, she doesn't really mind shooting people. I usually wouldn't like that, I kind of do a bit.
Ashley: Thank you, John.
Shepard: I know you're a close-knit group of people, but she would take out at least the first three of you.
Ashley: Oh - seven, easily.
Shepard: Seven. Really?
Ashley: Eight for you, sweetie.
Shepard: Stop it.
???: Is this really important flirting? Because I would be willing to let both of you die right about now.
Shepard: Yes, but you're on my ship. You really think that you'll get away with this?
???: Why should it matter if I killed you both here or on the planet! Fear me! I killed a Reaper, boy.
Shepard: Fear me. I killed all of them.

*dozens of Alliance marines aim rifles at ???*

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

Also must say Shepard never called his mother. Isn't it odd? You died, come back and don't have time to say "hi mom, I'm not dead by the way" ? Okay, wasn't in that situation before and won't get any time soon - but seriously.

So that gives me three ideas why Shepard did what he did:

*Snip*

I think: 4. Because He cared he felt like he shouldn't. He was on a suicide mission, what if he returned from the dead only to die again? He'd say hi to his mother, which would make her very happy and he'd die again or he'd say I'm going on a suicide mission. That's pretty cruel. Maybe he was torn by the fact Ashley had to see him when he could be dead again in a matter of...weeks? Ofcourse this requires that pretty quickly after the mission, before Shepard recoverecd from what he'd done arrival happenend and soon after that the trial, ensuring that he wasn't in the state too and didn't have time.

Edit: About the loyalty missions: those were the people that were going with him on the mission, purely pragmatically speaking he needed them to be in top form, or chances were the suicide mission would horribly fail.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 18 octobre 2011 - 01:08 .

[Aurora313]

Meldwyn301 wrote...

Here's the thing.. TIM needs Shepard as much as Shepard needs his crew and the Normandy. Couldn't Shepard have said, "Listen, I am willing to do what you ask, but only if you get me a direct video feed to Ashley no matter where she is or what she's doing. I need to reach her before I do anything else!"

And TIM has the resources and contacts to build NR2, rebuild Shepard, and the intel on everyone else in the galaxy, but not Ashley? Paleeease!!!

It would take 2 hours max! Make the connection so that Shepard can tell her what happened and where he is and what he is doing!!! Or TIM can find someone else to lead the crew!

BOOOM!!! Done!!!

TIM himself that he couldn't get information on Ash because her file was far more classified than it should have been. Of course, he already did give Shepard the choice of leaving and going back to the Alliance. The only reason Shepard stayed was because Cerberus wanted to stop the colonists being abducted. 

But ok. I'm convinced-ish. Shepard doesn't really seem like he gives a rat's ass about the VS on the surface, but he's the kind of personality (in my view) that internallises almost everything until it explodes, sometimes violently. Shep lost his cool when they were grounded, he was very short tempted to Ash intially when she wanted to cheer him up but immediately apologised for it. We never know what's going on with his mind. As much as the player controls his actions, we know nothing of what the inner workings of his miind is like. It differs as much as the player who controls him.

[Meldwyn301]

What would be worse for you? Not hearing from your son/LI that they were indeed alive and yet died again without saying a word to you? Or, hearing from your LI/son and having a great reunion but it is short lived because they die again. I would take the latter every time. A chance to say, "I love you" one more time before its final. Who wouldn't take the opportunity? Shows a true lack of character on Shepard's part to think otherwise.

(now let's keep in mind that Shepard is not real and the writer's at Bioware needed this situation for ME3 to be what it will be, so its really all just hypothetical anyway)

[Aurora313]

Or Shepard's just emotionally retarded.

[Meldwyn301]

Aurora313 wrote...

Or Shepard's just emotionally retarded.

I am going with that one!!!!  in which case, Ashley would be wise to move on!!!  LOL

[Aurora313]

I would have rather an angry call from Mother-dearest, than an email. Would have been a hell of a lot more emotional and Shepard could have explained himself a bit. Also would have given us an excuse to see mama shepard.

Hell - when I don't talk to my father, he'd go on a rage at me for it. 

Modifié par Aurora313, 18 octobre 2011 - 01:19 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

Hmm, good point Meldwyn, perhaps he's also socially awkward, maybe he can't place himself in his loved ones shoes that way, he could have genuinely thought he would hurt them by talking to them, even if that thought is wrong
And yes in the end it's just that you can only tell so many things in a story, we can also start to question why shepard never eats and only drinks, but why does he never use the toilet then!?
Crazy stuff.

@Aurora; Bahah, emotionally retarded seems to fit the picture.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 18 octobre 2011 - 01:24 .

[Aurora313]

*in Coms room, in the middle of a meeting* 

Hannah: WHAT THE LIVING HELL!?
Shepard: oh crap...
Hannah: You've got that right, brat!
Shepard: Mum, please. I'm in the middle of -
Hannah: I don't care if you're meeting the seven gods incarnate! You will explain yourself right now, young man.
Shepard: *facepalm* Mum...!
Hannah: And explain why Ashley Williams showed up on my door step, balling her eyes out yesterday saying you were being nothing short of an emotionally dead **** to her!
Shepard: *embarrassed facepalm* Mum, I'm in the middle of a meeting.
Hannah: *holo image looks around* Garrus, Tali, dear. Wondrful to see you both so well.
Garrus: Thank you ma'am.
Tali: Thank you captain Shepard.
Hannah: Do me a wonderful favour, Garrus and smack John over the head for me, please?
Garrus: Really?! :happy:
Shepard: DON'T!

Modifié par Aurora313, 18 octobre 2011 - 01:26 .