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[v_Zalem]

Wish I could see the picture in actual full-on color, but so far that armor of hers looks really nice. I'm quite pleased with it. I'm all ok for her getting loose while not in the heat of battle. My prayers have been answered it would seem.

[CptData]

Sooo ... I'm back. Romantic-18-months-together-day is over for nearly 7 hours now (= sleepy time) and my fiancee is still sleeping.

Did I miss something? *catching up* - yeah. Ashley is going to be the traitor and shots Shepard? Lemme point this: NEVARRRR!!! Even an indoctrinated Ashley won't kill Shepard. She'll pull the line e.g. shoot herself before harming Shepard. However, I don't want to see her doing that. More precisely, I hope for a paragon-action: shooting Ashley's gun out of her hands to save her. And if that's a renegade action, I'd do that as well.

Ashley: Time to die, Shepard.
Shepard: Ash, that's not you. Fight it, fight the Reapers.
Ashley: There is no place for mankind in their galaxy, but maybe we can make a difference, make us useful ...
Shepard: Do you hear you? You sound like Saren!
Ashley: ... if we're a valuable resource, why should they kill us? They're going to need us, Shepard ...
Shepard: Don't you understand? You're not yourself? The Ashley I know wouldn't even think like this!
Ashley: I understand everything now. And you don't. I'll end you.
Shepard: No.
Paragon-action: Shoot her gun.
Neutral-action: Talk to her.
Renegade-action: Shoot her arm&legs.

Something like that? Naaa ... just don't make her to the traitor, BW. I just don't like this idea at all since there is no way known how to remove indoctrination without lobotomize her ...



Can you kill her? I can't.

[Aurora313]

The only way I cam see Ash betraying Shepard is if she and Shepard had planned something before hand were they both planned out the "turncoat" to get something they both desperately needed.... or to break Shepard out of prison(see previous snippet I wrote).... again.

Or to act as a double agent.

[CptData]

elektrego wrote...

I actually wouldn't mind if Ashley turned on Shepard, if it is in reaction to something Shepard/the player does as a choice and avoidable. I would try it out with one of my Shepard's.
I'd prefer that over the "I love you, regardless what you do, apart from suggesting threesomes" of ME1.
I loved her much more after Horizon, despite the crappy writing, when she stood up to Shepard's working with Cerberus.

Sure. If you do everything against Ashley's way, she should turn against you. I'd say she'll accept most paragon / neutral choices but nearly no renegade actions, so if you're going to sacrifice millions of ppl just for "the job", she won't accept it if you can make a difference and save those ppl.

On a scale from 1 ... 10 Ashley is (1 = renegade, 10 = paragon) a 7

[Mr. Brainheart]

Morning coffee does wonders doesn't it Ash?

by Badpie

Thanks for the kind words! (That's a positive way to start the day ), admittedly I do have a lot of fun making those picture-dialogues from time to time aswell.


Ashley is indeed pragmatic (and with that comes her cautious nature, a good example is the Rachni queen for instance), until now it seems renegades are always punished for their choice, which is quite weird, since in real life I find my Paragon attitude to be a lot less effective at times , I'd say Ash doesn't take huge risks for a possible benefit.

[CptData]

elektrego wrote...

CptData wrote...

elektrego wrote...

I actually wouldn't mind if Ashley turned on Shepard, if it is in reaction to something Shepard/the player does as a choice and avoidable. I would try it out with one of my Shepard's.
I'd prefer that over the "I love you, regardless what you do, apart from suggesting threesomes" of ME1.
I loved her much more after Horizon, despite the crappy writing, when she stood up to Shepard's working with Cerberus.

Sure. If you do everything against Ashley's way, she should turn against you. I'd say she'll accept most paragon / neutral choices but nearly no renegade actions, so if you're going to sacrifice millions of ppl just for "the job", she won't accept it if you can make a difference and save those ppl.

On a scale from 1 ... 10 Ashley is (1 = renegade, 10 = paragon) a 7

Please nothing so simple as paragon=good, renegade= bad, it would be an indivdual choice in a very specific situation. RealisticalIy, I could also see Paragon Shepard refusing to do something necessary but bad and Ashley stepping in with: This has to be done, as she has always been quite pragmatic sometimes.

That's true.
If it weren't necessary to go "nearly fully" paragon / renegade in ME (>75%) or ME2 (>90%), I'd concur.  I would pick choices fitting to the situation, not "I need to be paragon, so I must spare his life".
The thing is: "paragade" / "renegon" alignments won't help you through specific situations, most likely the two situations in ME2 (Tali / Legion - Miranda / Jack). It's easier to be paragade / renegon in ME than ME2.

So ... I wonder how Ash can love Shepard if he's too idealistic (= paragon) or to much "****" (= renegade)?

[Aurora313]

My Shepard moved from Idealism after he was revived in ME2. He's more a pessimist in ME2 and less merciful than he used to be. And he bits the hand the holds his leash as much as he can. Even through the SM he never really trusts his new cerberus crew (aside from old friends) completely.

[Sinapus]

CptData wrote...

Sooo ... I'm back. Romantic-18-months-together-day is over for nearly 7 hours now (= sleepy time) and my fiancee is still sleeping.

Did I miss something? *catching up* - yeah. Ashley is going to be the traitor and shots Shepard? Lemme point this: NEVARRRR!!! Even an indoctrinated Ashley won't kill Shepard. She'll pull the line e.g. shoot herself before harming Shepard. However, I don't want to see her doing that. More precisely, I hope for a paragon-action: shooting Ashley's gun out of her hands to save her. And if that's a renegade action, I'd do that as well.

Ashley: Time to die, Shepard.
Shepard: Ash, that's not you. Fight it, fight the Reapers.
Ashley: There is no place for mankind in their galaxy, but maybe we can make a difference, make us useful ...
Shepard: Do you hear you? You sound like Saren!
Ashley: ... if we're a valuable resource, why should they kill us? They're going to need us, Shepard ...
Shepard: Don't you understand? You're not yourself? The Ashley I know wouldn't even think like this!
Ashley: I understand everything now. And you don't. I'll end you.
Shepard: No.
Paragon-action: Shoot her gun.
Neutral-action: Talk to her.
Renegade-action: Shoot her arm&legs.

Can you kill her? I can't.

Can I use Goober Rounds?  

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

My Shepard moved from Idealism after he was revived in ME2. He's more a pessimist in ME2 and less merciful than he used to be. And he bits the hand the holds his leash as much as he can. Even through the SM he never really trusts his new cerberus crew (aside from old friends) completely.

Na, mine stays idealistic. I'm an idealist by myself (to a point you can call it slightly madness - I even went through depressions for two or three years since world changed so drastically into wrong direction but that's another story), so my Shepard is a bit like me (but more handsome & ripped ^^).

The thing is: especially ME2 doesn't allow the player to have "mixed" alignments - or you can't convince Tali / Legion and Jack / Miranda to work together. If you're okay with this you can ignore this, but since I want to get them through that SM alive - this is a "no option" for me.

What I wonder: what Shepard is the right type for Ashley? Can she love an idealist?

[Aurora313]

A sincere Idealist. Possibly. A naive Idealist, no.

Ideas are all well and good. And holding true to them more so. I think that Ash would at the very least love him for holding them close to his heart and not compromising them as much as this situation allows.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

A sincere Idealist. Possibly. A naive Idealist, no.

Ideas are all well and good. And holding true to them more so. I think that Ash would at the very least love him for holding them close to his heart and not compromising them as much as this situation allows.

Yeah, Jacob Shepard is a tad "naive" and my first playthrough - Michael Shepard isn't (second playthrough). He's still >90% Paragon, however. I just don't like being mean to anyone just because his face doesn't fit into my world.

Killing the Rachni Queen for example seems to be a valid option - you don't know her, you have no idea if she's honest to you. But you know her race was a horrible threat to everyone once - so the logical option is to kill her. My Shepard (all of them) however set her free, either because he was naive or idealistic. Pick one.
By the way: Ashley was always with me and told me to kill her - and I didn't.

[Aurora313]

If it comes to that, Shepard'll rectifiy that mistake himself... or Rox+Ash'll kick his ass, either way. Bsides, the Rachni queen sends you a messenger on Illium saying she was grateful and promising to help you when you require it.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

If it comes to that, Shepard'll rectifiy that mistake himself... or Rox+Ash'll kick his ass, either way. Bsides, the Rachni queen sends you a messenger on Illium saying she was grateful and promising to help you when you require it.

I know.

But lets say I don't know how things turn out in ME2 (and we still don't know if the Rachni are going to help us in ME3 or get reaperfied) - do I know if it's a good idea to set the Rachni Queen free? Nope. So setting her free is naive in my eyes, and so all of my Shepards do a naive decision here.

I wonder why Ash is never asking you again about that stuff. It seems to be an issue for her when you decide to set the Queen free and post mission but not later. Seems so as if Ash is accepting Shepard's decision no matter how she would decide.

[Aurora313]

That's a fair point.

Ashley would definately turn around and kick Shepard's ass for making a naive decision in ME1 that impacted ME3 negatively, especially now because she can get away with it technically, being a SpecTRe and all.

She'd hold him accountable I guess and give him an ultimadium, fix it, or she will.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

That's a fair point.

Ashley would definately turn around and kick Shepard's ass for making a naive decision in ME1 that impacted ME3 negatively, especially now because she can get away with it technically, being a SpecTRe and all.

She'd hold him accountable I guess and give him an ultimadium, fix it, or she will.

I hope we're going to see that. I'd like to see a "I told you so!" moment - either because the Rachni get reaperfied or indoctrinated again, so Ash was right in ME1. Or the Rachni help Shepard, then he can tell Ash he was right about the Rachni.

That's just one decision. Do we know if it was a good decision to let Fist live? Or Sidonis in ME2? Lets say Sidonis will become a traitor in ME3, then we know it was a wrong decision in ME2 to keep him alive. If he'll help us on Palaven or any other Turian world and this mission would become incredible difficult without his help we'll know it was a good idea to keep him alive. Same in case Garrus becomes mentally unstable after killing Sidonis which could backfire in ME3 ...

Lets say I go right if I say "paragon" doesn't always come with the best solutions but most likely with those you'd call idealistic or good. Renegade may fix things right in the very moment but it could backfire later.
Sure: kicking that mercenary out of the window or keep him alive won't make any difference later. You can do it if you like or not. Same for that Eclipse mercenary Asari which turns out to be the murderer of the Volus: she made it out alive in first walkthrough but got killed in my second run because I KNEW then she was the murderer. However, that doesn't justify killing her in this moment since Shepard has no evidence that she was a murderer (except you put one and one together from what you heard before - the uniform is given to those who already killed someone).

I stop here since it doesn't fit at all to Ashley ^^

By the way: Ashley would kick that mercenary out of window, Ashley would roast that Weyrloc-Speaker in the opening scene when entering the hospital. Ashley would kill that Eclipse mercenary Asari etc. She's less idealistic and more pragmatic, indeed. That's also a reason why she can keep idealistic!Shepard grounded: she has a far better understanding of right than Shepard - at least in my universe. Shepard tends to be extreme - the one or the other way.

[Aurora313]

Problem is there is no middle ground for Shepard's Dialogue.

I hope there's a dialogue that allows you to heighten up his emotional state (kind of like the 'Hardening' feature for companions in Dragon Age) and let him have decisions based on his emotional state, not his paragon/renagade value. Eg. Saving Ash or strangers, picking Ash because you love her.

The problem is that Shepard as a paragon is to Naive, and as a renagade he's bloody and ruthless. Netural has less emotional range than a tea spoon. There's not paragade or renagon answers for thigns.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Problem is there is no middle ground for Shepard's Dialogue.

I hope there's a dialogue that allows you to heighten up his emotional state (kind of like the 'Hardening' feature for companions in Dragon Age) and let him have decisions based on his emotional state, not his paragon/renagade value. Eg. Saving Ash or strangers, picking Ash because you love her.

The problem is that Shepard as a paragon is to Naive, and as a renagade he's bloody and ruthless. Netural has less emotional range than a tea spoon. There's not paragade or renagon answers for thigns.

'xactly. Paragon works for idealistic people, renegade for the ruthless guys, but there's no advantage going "neutral". Right now you're penalized for going down the neutral path: in ME1 you don't get the special morality mission, in ME2 you can't solve the two arguments in your crew resulting in a loss of loyalty of two squadmates.

I hope BW won't penalize the player in ME3 for being more pragmatic since my canon!Shepard is going to take some ruthless actions to get the job done. I can't be the nice guy all day if the galaxy's fate depends on actions not on words.

[Aurora313]

Yes. My Shepard is at the point where he'd rather be dirty and underhanded to get what he knows needs to be done. He's getting so apathetic and frustrated about everyone and everything trying to hold him back that he's willing to blugdeon people to get his job done. Which horrifies him, since it's almost if not exactly like he's turning into a second Saren.

That frightens him more than the Reapers return. Hell, Ash would considered a Paragon compared to the deep dark hole Shepard could potentially find himself in.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Yes. My Shepard is at the point where he'd rather be dirty and underhanded to get what he knows needs to be done. He's getting so apathetic and frustrated about everyone and everything trying to hold him back that he's willing to blugdeon people to get his job done. Which horrifies him, since it's almost if not exactly like he's turning into a second Saren.

That frightens him more than the Reapers return. Hell, Ash would considered a Paragon compared to the deep dark hole Shepard could potentially find himself in.

Naah, mine won't fall that badly. But he'll have no problems with taking down a dude that stretches his patience for too long. Like the Weirloc dude that talks all day.

Ashley IS paragon if you ignore the more neutral ways. She's no way renegade, Ash doesn't work like that.

[Meldwyn301]

Over the weekend I tried to make a Renegade Shepard in ME1, but I couldn't get passed Eden Prime with him acting like that toward Ashley. I am a sucker for her, so treating her like that was like running my fingernails down a chalk board... ugh! So, I deleted that bio and started another Paragon Shepard being all nicey nice with Ashley.

While I may try a Liara romance with this new Paragon Shepard for grins and giggles, I just can't treat Ash poorly no matter what.

[Aurora313]

Sorry, just something I couldn't resist writing with the whole 'make Shepard more Emotional thing'.

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[i]"Ashley, I have no idea where this is coming from!" Shepard defended flatly, tugging at his hoodie before zipping it up partialliy
"I'm just making the obeservation that you seem a little more... um." Ashley paused and looked away, trying to think of the correct word to use. "... You haven't exactly been acting by the book, lately."
"I'm by the book, Ash." Shepard grumbled back in response. Ashley raised an accusing eyebrow.
"What about the Batarain slaver?" She jabbed his chest lightly.
"What about him?" Shepard shrugged, shoving his fists into his pockets.
Ashley planted her hands on her hips, favouring one leg. "You threatened to blind him one eye at a time."
Shepard's face twisted with confusion. "... I'm fairly certain that was the on Omega bartender."
"Huh?" Ash grunted, perplexed. The elevator opened to the CIC deck. "Well, my point is you've been wearing your emotions on your sleeve lately." She pointed out as they walked to the Armory.
"Alright, maybe I have a bit." Shepard said, his hand absently raising to the door panel, facing forward. "But I -" he closed the door again. Ash gave an sly chuckle.
She began to ask, "Was that Rox-?"
"Yep." Shepard said through gritted teeth.
"With Jame-"
"Mm-hmm."
Ash whistled softly, "Wow."
"I am f*cking going to kill him." Shepard stated matter of factly.
"Why?"
 'Why'?!" He stammered,  "He's got his tongue shoved down my big sister's throat is why!"
"Case and point." Ashley stated. Shepard grumbled, his face twisting into a scowl. "If you're that twisted about it, do you want to go into there and interrupt them?"
"No..." Shepard stated after a moment. "She never interrupted my fun, I'll let them get away with this one."
Joker's voice came over the ships comm. "Major, Captain, Commander. You three may wanna see this."
Shepard and Ashley nearly stopped themselves from bursting out laughing at the roaring voice next door over. "GODS F*CKING DAMN IT!"

Modifié par Aurora313, 24 octobre 2011 - 12:25 .