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[Sinapus]

Omni-tools are programmable, so it might be just software changes to the field projection that forms the actual "blade" structure. Muahahahahaha.. *cough*

Okay, I obviously didn't get enough sleep yesterday and it's catching up on me. (...and 1.5 hours til I'm off work. D'oh.)


Hm. ToP Ash... plus Galen Shepard. Interrupted by Joker who really wasn't spying on them. Riiight.

Modifié par Sinapus, 01 novembre 2011 - 09:34 .

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

I dislike the haters, it such a shame that very few people can appreciate the Character Ashley Williams. And When she started to quote poetry, I personally laughed and said 'Ahaha! I do that!' except my material is made up (and not poetry) , Ash gets hers from a source. I like that about her... though Shepard has been trying, and unsucessfully I should add, to get her to read The Divine Comedy...

It's okay to dislike a character. In my case it's Jack. Sorry - she's too twisted for me and I simply can't like someone with a life full of drugs, sex and violence. That's not a good base for a long lasting relationship and Shepard is everything but not a shrink - he can't fix her. Besides that it just feels wrong to have sex with her - she got abused more than once and Shepard is taking advance as well.
But that doesn't mean I hate her. She's just not my fav character and most likely won't ever be.

Then we have Ashley. She seems to be an authentic person - someone you can meet today in the super market. She has flaws, she's blunt and she knows what she wants and what not. Maybe that alone scares people away (I once saw a comment where the writer said "Ashley is too ****y") - just because she's not falling in love with Shepard at first sight or because she's questioning his actions?
Then she has a opinion about aliens. She's not a big fan and she doesn't tell you why in the first two lines of convo. You need to go deeper and you'll find out that she has a reason why she doesn't trust aliens - her family history. As soon as you're at that point you slowly can shift her opinion about aliens to a more positive realist.
Compared to other characters in ME Ash isn't xenophobic. Pressly is far more reserved towards aliens (as you find out in ME2) Half of the Turians you talk to seem to have a problem with humans. Asari seem to have this problem too, but far less. The biggest racist race (phun intented) are the Batarians. They simply hate humans and it's difficult to convince some of them to change their opinion.

What do Ash haters? They skip Ash's lines at the point once she's not talking nicely and idealistic about aliens, call her a racist and don't talk to her anymore. And if Ashley doesn't get virmired then only because Kaidan was "even more boring". *sigh* Poor Kaidan.

And if some of the Ash haters make it through the dialogues with Ashley, they finally get "disgusted" by poetry ...

Must say, that's really sad. Ashley's writer did a good job by giving her a character with some layers to explore. That makes her interesting, challenging ... tempting. There's nothing more boring than a person you know all the way after just 10 minutes of dialogue. Ashley seems to have always something in her sleeves ...


Buuuuut all I can say:



She'll take it like a tough marine.

Modifié par CptData, 01 novembre 2011 - 09:35 .

[Aurora313]

Ah - is cool, it s fine. I've gotta work myself in a few hours.

[Aurora313]

I know right. I agree with everything you said. Problem is, you can't save both of them. Really wish you could, but you can't.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

I know right. I agree with everything you said. Problem is, you can't save both of them. Really wish you could, but you can't.

Yep. That's the problem. Actually, if I were in the BW-staff and we have to relaunch ME, I'd say "change Virmire so you can save both" - but of course, in that case the mission would be far more complicated and time critical (= countdown timer).

I'd love to see that. Save both. That also would make things a tad different in ME2:

Horizon - the one you meet on Horizon is your LI. In case neither Kaidan nor Ashley were your ME!LI you'll always meet the one of same sex lik Shepard on Horizon - a male Shepard will meet Kaidan, a female Shepard will meet Ashley. The one you're not meeting on Horizon will write you some mails after Horizon.

Spectre - only one of both becomes new Spectre in ME3. Same rule here: if Ashley was your ME!LI, she'll be Spectre or Kaidan, if he was your LI. If no one was your LI, it'll b the one you brought to take down Saren. If you brought both it'll be the one you used more often on missions. And if they saw same action, it'll be Kaidan since his higher rank and more experience.

Works fine for me. The statistics are there :happy:

[Aurora313]

Sounds just about fair to me. I reckon that if both were to survive, you had to do the extra stuff to help Kirahhe's group and leavel at least two more squadmates to help with the option you didn't choose to follow and as you're evacing, the other VS is being dragged to the ship by whomever you sent after them.

I don't know if that makes sense, but that's my ten cents

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Sounds just about fair to me. I reckon that if both were to survive, you had to do the extra stuff to help Kirahhe's group and leavel at least two more squadmates to help with the option you didn't choose to follow and as you're evacing, the other VS is being dragged to the ship by whomever you sent after them.

I don't know if that makes sense, but that's my ten cents

It works - but we also know BW has only a limited budget. Maybe that was the reason why you can't save both - one of them had to die. Or they had to add hundreds of extra lines.

Now there's a problem: if one of both had to die to save some of BW's budget, there is a chance Ashley or Kaidan won't have too many different lines in ME3. Means they can be replaced - the difference is just that you can romance Ashley as m!Shep and Kaidan as f!Shep. Maybe there is a difference between both in LI!Dialogues but besides that they could act and talk the same. That's something I really fear. I don't want an Ash that talks like Kaidan - or vice versa.

[Aurora313]

Yea. And after the big thing on Horizon, I don't want them getting the exact same role. Say - If Ash is in a situation where she had to save her sisters and family during the events of the game, I don't want Kaidan to have a similar problem, especially because his family has practically abandoned him to the BAat program

[CptData]

I guess Ash & Kaidan will have different "loyalty missions" (okay, maybe they're not called like that, but hey). Maybe they have different lines of dialogue in romantic scenes. But I fear they're basically filling the same role throughout the rest of the game. And that's a bit odd. Ashley is basically the absolute opposite to Kaidan. She's passionate, blunt and won't stop until the Job is done. Kaidan is far more sensitive and tends to find a more peaceful solution. Also he's a bit cool with his emotions (at least that's how I see Kaidan).

I just don't wanna see them "interchangeable". Sure, they are at some point. They'll do the same as Spectres, and there will be some common stuff. But as soon as Ashley is acting like Kaidan or vice versa - as soon as their characters become interchangeable, I can't like them anymore. Because they LOST their original character.

[Aurora313]

Agreed. I'll romance Ash for the sake of my completionistic nature, but I wouldn't necessarily like her character any more. I don't hate her redesign, but I'm not particularly in love with it either. Unless of course she was just popping in and out quickly because she had something 'equally important' to attend (maybe a political BS contest).

Or maybe she wanted to give Shepard the first peice of eye-candy he's had in a few months or technically, two and-a-half years.

Modifié par Aurora313, 01 novembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[UrusVerra]

Characters in Mass Effect universe have an exellent development. Every single one. If you talk to them once or twice - you'll see only one side. But if you listen for all dialogues, find all info that hidden in game - you'll see that all characters are really deep. Remember the Shadow Broker's databases? They seemed amazing for me as a part of character development.

Hater are really strange people to me) They just don't want to look at other side of character. Yes, you can dislike personality character possesses, but dully hate a character that does not even exist - that's odd)

[Aurora313]

I know that.
Ashley = racist? Does not compute.
Ashley = Xenophobic? Does not compute.

I don't see her trying to smear Earthborn Shepard and smuggling guns and such for hate crimes like certain members of Earthborn Shepard's former ganglife.
I don't see her actively trying to stop Shepard from saving the Rachni (as in assaulting him and kill them herself)
I don't see her holding a gun to Garrus, Wrex, or T'soni's heads. (But christ, I would to Liara. She is so f***ing annoying to me).
I don't see her trying to preach like a bible-basher.

I see her being cautious. I see her thinking of the negatives and worst case scenarios, I see her thinking 'Ok, my commander says he trusts them. Tha's fine by me, but I'll reserve judgement til I understand them more.'. I don't see her wearing robs , carrying a bible and twisting the psalms to suit her purposes (for the purpose of this example, I'm assuming she's 22nd century christain) or rubbing people's faces is in. Yes, she makes the comment that she believes Shepard has someone or something watching over him - my Shepard attributes his wins to a sh!t stroke of luck (considering whom he lost on Elysium) but he's willing to accept that Ash might believe differently and that she prays. And the poetry thing? Well, that's just a thumbs up for John-Mal. He likes cultured women.

She's handled herself well for being tossed into so many new and werid situations and scenarios to which she has never encountered before.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...
Or maybe she wanted to give Shepard the first peice of eye-candy he's had in a few months or technically, two and-a-half years.

Sounds like a good opportunity for a dialogue ... :happy:
(known lines varied because of bad memory)

Ashley: Welcome back, Shepard.
Shepard: Anderson, what are you doing?
Anderson: I won't come with you. Mankind needs a leader and I stay here, organizing our forces.
Shepard: *sad looking*
Anderson: Good luck, Shepard. We'll see us on the other side.
Shepard: I won't dissappoint you, Sir.
Anderson: I know, son, I know ....

... later ...

Shepard: Hey Ashley ... or should I call you Spectre Williams?
Ashley: Ash is fine. Skip, I'm sorry for what I said on Horizon.
Shepard: It's okay. Ash, I'm sorry ... I wasn't myself then.
Ashley: Yeah, that's why I believed you were just some imposter and my Shepard died with the Normandy. But you're back. I can see that. And I'm happy ... at least a bit.
Shepard: I just wish we wouldn't have Earth burning and thousands of Reapers in our galaxy.
Ashley:  We had better times. Good ol' days. One Reaper, one rouge Spectre. Still, was hell enough.
Shepard: Yeah ... uhhmm ... Ashley - different topic?
Ashley: Sure, Skip.
Shepard: Why did you change your looks? I thought you loved that Phoenix armor?
Ashley: It was okay. But then I got promoted to a Spectre and could get my hands on this armor ...
Shepard: And why that "open hair"?
Ashley: Ohh ... that? Hadn't time for my hair bun. Sorry, Skip.
Shepard: No, don't apologize. I think it's hot.
Ashley: Err ... thanks. That's not what I had in my mind. It's darn impractical ... I won't keep it.
Shepard: Too bad ...
Ashley: John!
Shepard: Sorry. I just think you look beautiful with open hair and ... do you use make up?!
Ashley: *sigh* Nevermind. We have a job to do, Skip. So better get ready.
Shepard: That's an order?
Ashley: Do you want make me ordering you around?
Shepard: Yes!
Ashley: *facepalms*

[Aurora313]

The explosion blew Ashley off her position and blasted her down a slanted piece of debris, rolling down and across the short flat ledge, skidding to a drop-off. Ashley just managed to catch a piece of  mortar to keep herself from falling, though it was sagging under her weight.  Pain shot through her body, her left arm and collar bone throbbed in pain and she hadn't been able to move them. 
'Sh!t...!' she hissed, the debris she desperately clung to gave some more.
'Damn it..!' Ashley cursed, gritting her teeth in bitter frustration. 'It looks like this is the end for me.' The pesimistic thought passed her mind. The debris gave way some more, it wouldn't be long before it dislodged completely, leaving Ash to pummet to her doom. Her fingers begun to slip, obviously unable to hold the strain of her wieght along with her armor. Her eyes closed and she prayed, resolved to face the end and whatever that may bring. The mortar finally shattered under her weight and the forces of gravity imposed upon it. Ash started to fall with it, only to be stopped with a sudden, violent jolt. In disbelief she stared down at the mortar falling down into the canyon.
"You know. We really have to stop meeting like this, Lietuenant." That voice! There was no way it could possibly be. Ash turned her gaze upward, to the hand holding her arm. A familiar red and white stripe made is way up the armor plating and vanished into the siluoetted figure's frame. "Though the way I hear it, I should be calling you 'Commander' now."
She didn't stop the tears of joy from flowing from her eyes while her mouth twitched into a smile of relief, a few short chuckles made their way throat her lips as the man pulled her up. Her lips then pressed together in a thin smile. 
"Late as usual, you show off."

Yay! Shepley life-saving!

[CptData]

Sweet I also like to read a Shepley-save-fic with Ash saving Shep's ass. I mean, she's always the one being saved - time to do it the other way.

Ah and this:

She so totally IS Ashley.

[Aurora313]

I'll get write on that. *lolface*

I totally agree she is Ashley. And woud not be surprised if Ashley;s face was based on hers.

[MegaBadExample]

Is it that time of the day for Shepley dialog? ? I bet I missed a ton. No new Ashley news as usual? I'd be disapointed but I'm getting Uncharted 3 in a few hours or so. Can't be down about that.

Also, yeah. Ash has got to save for Shepard for once. She says she doesn't need a knight in shining armor but damn, the amount of times Shepard has saved her already....Says otherwise. Change the roles around and let Ash save Shepard's bacon! > JUST ONCE! I want to see this in ME3 with a classy Ashley comment attached of course

[CptData]

Hehe I hope so she's the Ashley-prototype. Also I'd love to see her being Ashley's actor in that movie.

So, will leave for birthday party of my fiancee's grandpa ... will be here in 5 hours or so. So gn8 Aurora ^^

[Aurora313]

Gezz. It is surprisingly hard to think of a situation where Ash has to save Shepard's ass... and I'm including everything, social gatherings, action scenes, ... ex-girlfriends. Um.. gosh, it's really really hard.

[CptData]

Five hours later and this thread is slooooow ...

Ashley goodness:



Ashley Williams - the only woman that looks sexy while grabbing for checking her weapons ... (errrr ... nevermind)

Modifié par CptData, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[ADLegend21]

^haha was there a joke being made?

[CptData]

Indeed, AD, indeed.
Oh, I see it's almost 7pm. Time for a cup of tea and toast.

Ashley: Hey Skip ...
Shepard: Yep, Ash?
Ashley: I just found out you also have a british line in your family tree ...
Shepard: That's right. The Millers. I don't know much about my great grandfather William B. Miller. All I know is that he fought in the Reunification War in Europe. Oh and he loved special british tea ... that's all. Besides that, that branch in my family tree isn't complete.
Ashley: Hmmm, why not going deeper? I love that stuff ... wanna see my own family tree?
Shepard: Sure. Is it a big one?
Ashley: Big? *laughs* Lets say ... it goes back to the 16th century - and that's only the "direct paternal line". It's funny that my sisters and I'm the last of this line ... whatever. A Williams is always better than an ordinary man - especially the Williams women!
Shepard: So it takes some time, huh?
Ashley: Yeah. What exactly do you know?
Shepard: Just wanna know if the Williams have some connections to my own family tree.
Ashley: Which branch?
Shepard: The Shepards.
Ashley: Paternal line?
Shepard: Nope ... Shepard is my mom's birth name.
Ashley: Ohh ... so it's maternal. It'll take some time, but together ...
Shepard: Sounds great. Today evening? 8pm?
Ashley: Sure, I'll be there. So what's the eldest branch in your family tree?
Shepard: Stuart. Scottish line, goes back to ... don't ask me. You'll can find out a lot about the Stuarts ... they were a big clan in old Scotland.
Ashley: So lets start there ...
Shepard: Not with the Shepards?
Ashley: No, with the Stuarts. If I remember correctly, I do have a scottish branch as well ...

Modifié par CptData, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:58 .

[ADLegend21]

*imagines Ashley in an elegant dres and a monocle*

[CptData]

ADLegend21 wrote...

*imagines Ashley in an elegant dres and a monocle*

Hmm, do it *g* 

Whenever you say that I can see this:



This, my dear Sir, is Lord Wrex the Undisputable.

[Garrison2009]

Aurora313 wrote...

The explosion blew Ashley off her position and blasted her down a slanted piece of debris, rolling down and across the short flat ledge, skidding to a drop-off. Ashley just managed to catch a piece of  mortar to keep herself from falling, though it was sagging under her weight.  Pain shot through her body, her left arm and collar bone throbbed in pain and she hadn't been able to move them. 
'Sh!t...!' she hissed, the debris she desperately clung to gave some more.
'Damn it..!' Ashley cursed, gritting her teeth in bitter frustration. 'It looks like this is the end for me.' The pesimistic thought passed her mind. The debris gave way some more, it wouldn't be long before it dislodged completely, leaving Ash to pummet to her doom. Her fingers begun to slip, obviously unable to hold the strain of her wieght along with her armor. Her eyes closed and she prayed, resolved to face the end and whatever that may bring. The mortar finally shattered under her weight and the forces of gravity imposed upon it. Ash started to fall with it, only to be stopped with a sudden, violent jolt. In disbelief she stared down at the mortar falling down into the canyon.
"You know. We really have to stop meeting like this, Lietuenant." That voice! There was no way it could possibly be. Ash turned her gaze upward, to the hand holding her arm. A familiar red and white stripe made is way up the armor plating and vanished into the siluoetted figure's frame. "Though the way I hear it, I should be calling you 'Commander' now."
She didn't stop the tears of joy from flowing from her eyes while her mouth twitched into a smile of relief, a few short chuckles made their way throat her lips as the man pulled her up. Her lips then pressed together in a thin smile. 
"Late as usual, you show off."

Yay! Shepley life-saving!

lol, love this. Exactly the kind of dialogue I was imagining.