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[Aurora313]

Well, I've already delieved my analysis on my scene, so. What to choose what to choose... Problem is I can't do the scene I want cause it's unique to my Shepard only (Ash inquires about his habit of swearng/muttering to himself in gaelic) ... -.-...
I guess I'll go with... I don't wanna do the 'Goldbricking' conversation' cause I wanna do that one together... um. Crap, I'm stumped.

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 novembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[CptData]

And you missed a Top Ash, Aurora.

Yeah, those scenes can be interpreted differently, but that's the fun doing that. And Ash is worth it ^^

[Aurora313]

The problem with mine is, I'm analysising it from my Shepard's perspective, and that's taint with a unique angle of him having a fiancee and being emotionally distant from others because he lost her. I can't not analysis it from my canon's perspective. I seriously have to write a full-blown bio for my Shepard so people can understand where he's coming from...  should post it on my blog or something.

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 novembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[CptData]

Yeah. Still ... I can keep my "Jacob Shepard" (headcanon) out of my mind while analyzing the scenes. Lets say it works like that. Of course, "headcanon" is not entirely out of mind because Shepley IS headcanon - or at least it's BW!headcanon.

(Am I the only one who slowly gets confused by all kinds of "canon") ^^

Lets try to analyze it as "pure Shepley without own ideas of Shepard" - only with given facts. It works. ^^

[UrusVerra]

After Hori... Horiz...*can't finish, you undersood what i mean* and after all stupid things Shep said this dialogue made me feel a little better (though not good enough)

[CptData]

UrusVerra wrote...

After Hori... Horiz...*can't finish, you undersood what i mean* and after all stupid things Shep said this dialogue made me feel a little better (though not good enough)

Don't forget that little dialogue Skip .. err Shepard has with Joker. Shepard seems to see the Horizon!event as break up, when picking the paragon answer.

And yes, Ash is an "incredible woman".

But I'll concur with Aurora here - no Horizon! Got talked to death and beyond already. Lets focus on ME.

[Aurora313]

Urus - You broke the first rule of Shepley Analysis.
The rules:

1. You do not talk about 'Horizon'.
2. You DO. NOT. TALK. ABOUT. HORIZON.
3. Specify if your speaking from base Shepard perspective, or your own Shepard.
4. Shepley-themed scenes only fellas.
5. If this is your first time analysising a Shepley scene... you have watch it and analysis it thoroughly.

[CptData]

So, second part of that scene ...

Ashley apologizes for her "stupid action" on New Eden by stepping into range of that beacon.
Ashley: "It's my fault. I must have triggered some kind of security field when I approached it. You had to push me out of the way."
And Shepard? "You had no way to know what would happen." is his answer.

Now, under normal circumstances you would say "okay - still, I feel bad 'bout what happened". But Ashley accepts it and she even shows a hint of a smile (one of my fav moments by the way).

Then Ash tells that she and Kaidan brought Shepard back to the Normandy - and he appreciates it. It's not exactly what I would call a commendation, but it triggers another smile of Ashley (and one that's really beautiful).

Dunno why, but Shepard does not much to give Ash a "good feeling". Maybe Ash is a people person and can read between the lines - or she simply never got nice words by a superior officer. Maybe Shepard is the first officer telling her that she's a good soldier and no one could have done the job better.

Who knows. At least for me this is a key scene. It's the scene where I decided to try to get Ashley's affection. I -wanted- her.

Modifié par CptData, 03 novembre 2011 - 01:04 .

[UrusVerra]

I didn't tell you this horrible word which starts with "H" Maybe it's you thinking about it constantly Okay, I'll be serious. SORRY *makes puppet eyes*

Edit: Aurora, I wonder how are you going to play ME3 - there definetly will be at least one mention of "H" :\\

Modifié par UrusVerra, 03 novembre 2011 - 01:12 .

[Aurora313]

Well, we have no idea what Shepard is thinking at that point in time. He could be thinking anything from 'I'd bang that' to 'Ok, the mission ended bad, how can I rectify this and do better next time?'. Most of his history is left up to the player, aside from the cemented pre-service and physcological profile. So we have no idea just what kind of many he is emotionally, though I believe we can all gather that Shepard is an emotionally distant and stoic individual.

He only shows his emotion through slight smirks or smiles and maybe an inflection or two in his tone. In my humble opinion, when they were grounded and Ash said 'I want you to be happy' then Shepard replied 'I want you to be happy too.', I believe it was just as stark an admission to him as it was to her, and he finally let down his emotional barrier enough to let Ash through. Possibly a surprising admission for the both of them, but welcome.

And later on their way to Ilos, Shepard geniunely semed lost and confused about what to do, only reaffirming his conviction after Ash told him what he was doing was for the greater good. Faith in himself restored, they flirted and eventually when Ash admitted the true nature of her feelings, Shepard didn't send her off, but rather passionately recipricated them.

[Aurora313]

UrusVerra wrote...

I didn't tell you this horrible word which starts with "H" Maybe it's you thinking about it constantly Okay, I'll be serious. SORRY *makes puppet eyes*

Edit: Aurora, I wonder how are you going to play ME3 - there definetly will be at least one mention of "H" :

I'll confront it then, not before.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Well, we have no idea what Shepard is thinking at that point in time. He could be thinking anything from 'I'd bang that' to 'Ok, the mission ended bad, how can I rectify this and do better next time?'. Most of his history is left up to the player, aside from the cemented pre-service and physcological profile. So we have no idea just what kind of many he is emotionally, though I believe we can all gather that Shepard is an emotionally distant and stoic individual.

Lets asume Shepard had no "dirty thoughts" about Ashley at the beginning. I mean he just met her and Shepard seems not to be out for a cheap f*ck ...

He only shows his emotion through slight smirks or smiles and maybe an inflection or two in his tone. In my humble opinion, when they were grounded and Ash said 'I want you to be happy' then Shepard replied 'I want you to be happy too.', I believe it was just as stark an admission to him as it was to her, and he finally let down his emotional barrier enough to let Ash through. Possibly a surprising admission for the both of them, but welcome.

Indeed. Shepard is a confident person that rarely shows more emotions. That's why our little fics about breakdown!Shepard are a tad more powerful than they would be if Shepard is displaying more emotions ingame. Also it makes that relationship incredible powerful - two emotionally reserved persons open for each other slightly - and instantly realize that's the right thing.

And later on their way to Ilos, Shepard geniunely semed lost and confused about what to do, only reaffirming his conviction after Ash told him what he was doing was for the greater good. Faith in himself restored, they flirted and eventually when Ash admitted the true nature of her feelings, Shepard didn't send her off, but rather passionately recipricated them.

Yep. Shepard needs Ashley (or any other LI).
Hmm ... how does that scene look if Shepard has NO LI in ME? I never saw it, but I wonder how Shepard gets up without "support" by his/her LI ...

[Aurora313]

Shepard stands on his own, glaring holes in the ground while leaning against his locker bitterly, and I think it just jumps straight to Ilos without any scenes inbetween.

What gets me is: I romanced Ashley one playthrough, I left her on Virmire (went back later and saved her) then jumped straight to Ilos. Liara came into my room instead. And I was utterly pissed off that I couldn't say something that read between the lines of '****** off, I'm mourning the woman I loved.' to her, and flat out reject her advances. That blue woman is an annoying individual if you ask me. And as i have repeatedly said before, I have no care for her.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard stands on his own, glaring holes in the ground while leaning against his locker bitterly, and I think it just jumps straight to Ilos without any scenes inbetween.

What gets me is: I romanced Ashley one playthrough, I left her on Virmire (went back later and saved her) then jumped straight to Ilos. Liara came into my room instead. And I was utterly pissed off that I couldn't say something that read between the lines of '****** off, I'm mourning the woman I loved.' to her, and flat out reject her advances. That blue woman is an annoying individual if you ask me. And as i have repeatedly said before, I have no care for her.

Never had that happen, but yeah, that's one of those examples why Shepard's character is not complete / the story writers didn't thought of such event.
And yes, I definitely want some dialogue that kills off a "ninjamance" you don't want, especially if your primary LI got killed. That's why a lot of players asume Shepard has no feelings, but that's wrong - the writers just didn't include a dialogue for this situation.

And yeah, if his/her LI got killed on Virmire, my Shepard doesn't want some "snu snu" with Liara.

[Aurora313]

Honestly, if Liara wasn't 'essential to the plot', I'd of left her ass on Virmire. Let Ash retrieve Shepard's body and only agree to work with Cerberus to that end. Then again, she would be even more conflicted. Between the possibility of her loved one being returned to her and the fact that Cerberus will do something to alter him - which, lets face it has happened. I mean really? Who doesn't change classes in ME1-2? I went from solider to vanguard in that game. Big change there.

[UrusVerra]

Aurora313 wrote...

Who doesn't change classes in ME1-2?

Errr... Me

I agree devs gave Liara bigger role than anyone else, but one thing I know for certain - Ash would have never gave Shep to Cerberus - organisation, that ran awful experiments in ME.

[CptData]

Never changed my class - I usually stick with the class in ME2 I picked in ME.

Also altering Shepard's face doesn't change anything. That's because his/her new face is becoming new "old" face. That's why any character recognizes you as Shepard. Your new face becomes "canon" even back to old ME. That's why I usually don't change Shepard's appearance - it just gives me headaches ^^

For Liara: yeah, if I had to decide between her, Ashley and Kaidan she's the one I'd leave on Virmire. Not because I don't like her - I just don't like her as much as Ash & Kaidan. 'nuff said.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Let's not start hating on other characters, it's an Ash support thread after all. Though to offer some counterbalance, I like Liara, maybe because I can indentify with her a little, she's introvert, fascinated by science and awkward in conversations with those she doesn't know. She's gets very impulsive though and obsessive, but that's why she saved Shepard's body and even his life. I doubt if Ashley would have done that, she'll think he's in heaven, she doesn't want to pull him back out for her own needs., which is what it must feel like, even if Shepard doesn't see it that way.

I like Ashley because she's pretty different from me: She's blunt, seems extrovert though she keeps her true self well hidden, I think, well I listed all the reasons a dozen times over already probalby.

In my first playthrough, I was more drawn to Liara at first, especially since Ash said some mean things about her, which at first really put me of Ash. In the end though, I understood why Ash does what she does and I liked the challenge Ashley brought with, she seems like someone you can learn from and someone who you can learn things, whilst Liara was much closer to me and my Shepard and in that, somehow didn't attract me quite as much.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[Aurora313]

I'm sorry for that, but I simply don't see the reason why she must play a bigger role than Ash - the canon love interest. Problem is, they cant give her a bigger role outside the games because then it establishes that her survival is the cemented canon. So it can be difficult with expanding roles of 'expendable' characters.

I romanced Liara once out of curiosity... found her far too clingy for my tastes. 'Clingy' is an off-outting trait for me, in games and reality. Well, 'clingy' isn't the right word... more like she was attached to me/my shepard more than he felt she should have been, despite the mind-meld thing. (Especially in my canon when she brings up Verity, the dead Fiancee. Was not a pretty sight...)

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:22 .

[CptData]

Ah it wasn't meant to start a "Liara!bash!" - I'm fine with her. Maybe I don't like all the service she gets, but since it's not my story I can't alter it. At least I'm not forced to romance Liara - I can take a different path, that works for me good enough.

Wouldn't call Ashley "extrovert". She does not hide her opinion, but she hides almost her entire personality. You have to get to know her to find out more. Lets say Ashley comes with two faces - an official one for everyone and a hidden one for her close friends. So you can say Ashley is a bit like a Hanar with soul names and such.

Liara is not my fav char - dunno why. Lets say I can see her as a friend but not more. And compared to Kaidan (who's a good friend) she's a more distant friend.

[Aurora313]

A face is but a mask to hide the true nature of a person.

The 'Ashley Williams' everyone sees, or rather - everyone thinks they see is a supposed 'racist, xenophobic zealot'. The 'Ash' that she allows Shepard to see is a strong woman whom loves her family deeply, will do anything to protect them and tries her best at all things she sets her mind to.

Just like the Shepard that everyone sees is a stoic, calm and collective individual, where as the 'John' that Ashley is allowed to see is a rather mischevious individual who seems to enjoy being playful and something of a smartass.

An individual who wears everything on their sleeve is a shallow person, they aren't always worth the time.

A person who is more than they appear to be is someone worth loving.

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:28 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

About Liara's survival:  It might sound lame, but that's the way things go sometimes, in real life aswell, Liara didn't really have a big role in ME2 to be honest and the DLC that revolved around her wouldn't really have worked quite aswell with another character I think.

And how do you mean canon love interest? There isn't an established canon, is there?

My second shep romanced Liara, I agree the clingy-ness isn't one of her flaws, but Ashley has some off putting factors too, for me, mainly the unneccasary low blows against Liara, I don't lke it when people act like that. My first one had to call the Romance with Liara of at the very last moment.

Edit: About AshleyI didn't say she is extrovert , I said she seems extrovert, but hides her true self well.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:32 .

[Aurora313]

The romance scenes featured in the ME1 trailers were all of Shepley. 'canon' is wrong. it's the advertised romance... I guess. And in ME2, default male Shepard was assumed to have romanced her in 1.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

A face is but a mask to hide the true nature of a person.

The 'Ashley Williams' everyone sees, or rather - everyone thinks they see is a supposed 'racist, xenophobic zealot'. The 'Ash' that she allows Shepard to see is a strong woman whom loves her family deeply, will do anything to protect them and tries her best at all things she sets her mind to.

Just like the Shepard that everyone sees is a stoic, calm and collective individual, where as the 'John' that Ashley is allowed to see is a rather mischevious individual who seems to enjoy being playful and something of a smartass.

An individual who wears everything on their sleeve is a shallow person, they aren't always worth the time.

A person who is more than they appear to be is someone worth loving.

^ true words.
Nothing is more boring than a person you know after five minutes of dialogue.

About that "clingy thing" - in that case my fiancee is a bit clingy. A beauty, but clingy and can get really jealous ^^
It works for me and I won't give her up, however, it's not perfect, especially since I was single for almost 8 years with just a short break (my ex from USA) and therefore used to be alone. That's something she can't get used to and I have a hard time to be less "maverick" if you know what I mean ...

The "perfect" woman for me is more like Ashley, but they're either hard to find or already taken. Plus: I'm not exactly what you would call "handsome"


Uhh ... 'nuff about that ^^

Modifié par CptData, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:39 .

[Aurora313]

I just dislike being touched. Its not that its painful, it just feels... confining? I guess would be the right word. I've had about two 'serious' boyfriends, but neither of them lasted longer than a month. If anything, I'd want a guy like para-shepard, or my Shepard. A good, moral guy with a bit of roguish-ness and jack-assery (yes, i made up two new words) tossed in.

Ash is a lucky little thief...

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 novembre 2011 - 02:47 .