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[ADLegend21]

Same Goes for Cerberus, why else would they bring back a dead woman who killed a Reaper? The alliance turned it's back on Shepard, but despite that Ashley thinks Shepard betraye dher by working alongside the people who revived her. "Maybe you think you owe Cerberus because they brought you back" uh, yeah. >.>

Top Ash (with some Kaidan)

Modifié par ADLegend21, 02 juillet 2011 - 11:45 .

[ashlover mark 2]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Same Goes for Cerberus, why else would they bring back a dead woman who killed a Reaper? The alliance turned it's back on Shepard, but despite that Ashley thinks Shepard betraye dher by working alongside the people who revived her. "Maybe you think you owe Cerberus because they brought you back" uh, yeah. >.>

are you serious? TURNED THEIR BACKS ON SHEPARD?? shepard was DEAD.....floating out in the terminus.the alliance inst going to launch a mission to retrive his body it wouldnt be worth the time and rescources.plus even if they did go and find him it wouldnt even occur to them to even attempt to "RESSURECT" him from the "DEAD".

as for his claims on  the reapers,there was no evidance to support sheps claims,every cerberus supporter and alliance/council basher seem to foget that GREAT BIG FACT.soverign was in piceses what wasnt scavenged by the keepers (you know the race that serves the reapers who are problay progranmed to retrive any andaved reaper tech on the citadel that happens to be left behind) was found by the turians and the rest of the council and they just found a weapon and hull fragments.....not much to go on.

[PMC65]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Same Goes for Cerberus, why else would they bring back a dead woman who killed a Reaper? The alliance turned it's back on Shepard, but despite that Ashley thinks Shepard betraye dher by working alongside the people who revived her. "Maybe you think you owe Cerberus because they brought you back" uh, yeah. >.>

Joker lets you in on some of the Alliance's response after you died as well as Dr. Chakwas, Ken, Gabby & Jacob. I almost felt like the Alliance was more glad then sad that you were dead (IMO) ... They were not happy that Shepard had aliens on his/her ship (per Joker), and let's be honest, no one (Alliance or Council) wanted to hear the word "reapers" again.

So after talking with this bunch, meeting up with Anderson "wish I could help, but ..." & the council, my Shepards all knew that they were SOL unless they stayed with Cerberus. I never had a problem with TIM or the freedom that Shepard felt but to be honest, my Shepards trust no one - Alliance, council or Cerberus. Now, I think that Cerberus teaming up with the reapers seems cheesy but I will wait until ME3 to see how & why it happened. I would think that it would have happened after the SM (and was not tied to the CB) and before Shepard's trial (6-12 mos) but hopefully it is not just a stupid "indoctrination" line. I am hoping that there is more to it than that and it makes sense. Who knows.

[ADLegend21]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Same Goes for Cerberus, why else would they bring back a dead woman who killed a Reaper? The alliance turned it's back on Shepard, but despite that Ashley thinks Shepard betraye dher by working alongside the people who revived her. "Maybe you think you owe Cerberus because they brought you back" uh, yeah. >.>

are you serious? TURNED THEIR BACKS ON SHEPARD?? shepard was DEAD.....floating out in the terminus.the alliance inst going to launch a mission to retrive his body it wouldnt be worth the time and rescources.plus even if they did go and find him it wouldnt even occur to them to even attempt to "RESSURECT" him from the "DEAD".

as for his claims on  the reapers,there was no evidance to support sheps claims,every cerberus supporter and alliance/council basher seem to foget that GREAT BIG FACT.soverign was in piceses what wasnt scavenged by the keepers (you know the race that serves the reapers who are problay progranmed to retrive any andaved reaper tech on the citadel that happens to be left behind) was found by the turians and the rest of the council and they just found a weapon and hull fragments.....not much to go on.

Still didn't stop Cerberus. personally Everyone can go suck it in all my shepard's view, especially the Spacers who devoted their entire lives to the Alliance only to be left for dead. It was recontructive surgery most likely and I'm sure the Alliance has the tech to recontruct people after heavy wounds, but Even before the death Shepard and Ashleywere assigned to hunting Geth aftera ll that talk of "we'll stop the reapers!" It was all just hunting Geth, I do wonder what Ashley thought about all that talk not being walked by the Alliance. I'ma lso curious to the details on the backslide where shepard was disgraced and called insane and if Ashley called Anderson on any of that bs.

[ashlover mark 2]

is the council and alliance foolish by ignoreing the reaper threat? from OUR perspective YES.but from an actual in game story perspective what can they do?

theres no evidance,sarens dead soverigne is dead,vigil is no longer functional all that left is the word of  a alliance spectre and his crew that actuall saw and spoke with the reaper.

the alliance and the council never called shep insane,they said his warnings were misunderstood or dellusional.

but we should end this topic it isnt really ash related.



EDIT:it was not reconstructive surgery.....he was dead,they had to restart all his internal organ functions,plus cerberus has billions to spend and time to waste on "Crazy experiments" the alliance is a goverment it is regulated by law and policey and public oppion reesurecting some one from the dead is out of the qeustion in many ways for them.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 02 juillet 2011 - 11:45 .

[PMC65]

ADLegend21 wrote...

*snip* I do wonder what Ashley thought about all that talk not being walked by the Alliance. I'ma lso curious to the details on the backslide where shepard was disgraced and called insane and if Ashley called Anderson on any of that bs.

After talking with Ken & Gabby, I did wonder what Ash thought. Here were two complete strangers getting angry and leaving the Alliance, but Ash stayed. I realize that Ash is born & bred Alliance, but I would like to know what she thought and did while Shepard's reputation was being muddied. Maybe it reminded her of her grandfather?  

[ashlover mark 2]

i tend to think that ash was pissed at first but realized that shep was gone and not comeing back so she let it go and moved on like everyone else.

we also dont really know what ash thinks about the reaper threat.she saw soverign and maybe spoke to it.

but once it was dead what dose she think.dose she belive like the council and that it was an isolated incedent or dose she belive like shepard belives, that there are thousands of them if not hundreds of thousands of them waiting to come back.


i tend to think ash is in the school of thought that with no other way for them to get back to the milky way,the reaper invasion problay wont happen in her lifetime.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 03 juillet 2011 - 12:07 .

[ADLegend21]

I'd think ashley would have tried to go against it but been ordered to be silent by the higher ups.

[Cypher0020]

Ok Ash fans I FINALLY after months got around to making Manshep for Ash, it'll probably be my last ME1 to ME2 import before ME3.....

I assume you kick off Ash's romance like Liara and Kaidan's? The beacon > and convo after every main story planet, etc?

[Deelane]

I found it another thread. Another nice screenshot with Ashley.

[Vengence1]

Just thought I would leave this here http://social.biowar...5/index/7784748

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

the alliance isnt perfect (no goverment instatution is) but it tries hard to do whats best for the galaxy.

Which is why the alliance did NOTHING against the collectors? Which is why they didn't give 2 sh!ts about Shepard or bringing him/her back? *eye roll*


EDIT: dammit... the convo has moved on. I always miss the good debates.

As for what Ashley thought, I think she would be at all the meetings/hearings/or w/e ... in the beginning right after Shepard's death to very vocally express her disbelief that the alliance brass/council are actively denying the reaper threat when they just nearly were killed by one. I can see her getting red-faced at those type of meetings and then asked to step out and cool off. Then ordered to forget about it and not attend these things anymore. lol

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 03 juillet 2011 - 11:58 .

[tomas2377]

Vengence1 wrote...

Just thought I would leave this here http://social.biowar...5/index/7784748

Thank you. I just voted. All Ash of course.

This thread needs more Ash:

http://th09.devianta...by_johntesh.jpg

Found this on deviantart. Picture is from johntesh.

Modifié par tomas2377, 03 juillet 2011 - 11:55 .

[tomas2377]

elektrego wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

the alliance isnt perfect (no goverment instatution is) but it tries hard to do whats best for the galaxy.

Which is why the alliance did NOTHING against the collectors? Which is why they didn't give 2 sh!ts about Shepard or bringing him/her back? *eye roll*

I suspect that once the Alliance realized what was going on and that Shepard and Cerberus were fighting the Collectors, they adopted a wait-and-see tactic. Why put your own forces in danger and use up your own ressources, when someone else is doing the job for you. They probably were making a plan B for the possibility that Shepard would fail. Politics!
- Hey Ash, can I borrow your tinfoil mini skirt to use as a hat?

Have you played the Arrival DLC?

If not there will be spoilers:


















If you finish the DLC before the SM Hackett tells you that the Alliance has been engaging Collector ships in combat to protect their colonies while Shepard plays traitor with Cerberus.

If you do the SM first Hackett only states that he is not sure about how prepared the Alliance fleet is against a coming Reaper invasion. He then goes on to reference the battle of the citadel and how many losses they took against Sovereign alone and that was just one Reaper.

[tomas2377]

You're right.

But they didn't have the Reaper IFF to go through the Omega 4 relay like Shepard.

They wouldn't know how to launch a counterattack on the Collectors for that reason.

Ashley herself gave her report about the Collector attack on Horizon to the Council and especially Anderson. She might have calmed down a bit from meeting Shepard on Horizon by then and told them to give Shepard a chance to deal with the situation. After all that e-mail didn't come out of nowhere. She still cares a lot for Shepard and maybe even still loves him.

She might have eventually supported him behind the scenes. That is at least what I am hoping.

And she will be a Spectre in ME3. We don't know yet how she will become one. Maybe she herself lead an attack on another Collector ship.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

elektrego wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

the alliance isnt perfect (no goverment instatution is) but it tries hard to do whats best for the galaxy.

Which is why the alliance did NOTHING against the collectors? Which is why they didn't give 2 sh!ts about Shepard or bringing him/her back? *eye roll*

I suspect that once the Alliance realized what was going on and that Shepard and Cerberus were fighting the Collectors, they adopted a wait-and-see tactic. Why put your own forces in danger and use up your own ressources, when someone else is doing the job for you. They probably were making a plan B for the possibility that Shepard would fail. Politics!
- Hey Ash, can I borrow your tinfoil mini skirt to use as a hat? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Yeah, I can see that happening and yes that would make perfect sense in that type of scenario. However, what were they planning on doing about the reapers/collectors if no one was reviving Shepard? They weren't planning on bringing him back.

I agree with the idea that they were tired of the headache and just wanted to say, "reapers... what reapers?" ....

The answer is... they weren't planning on doing anything about the reapers and thus would be doomed, along with the rest of the galaxy if Cerberus doesn't revive Shepard. 


Cerberus wants to stop the reapers (as of ME2), if only to protect and elevate humanity, but still they are actively doing something against them, while no one else is. To my Shepard, (a no non-sense, get the job done type guy... just like on Torfan) that commands respect and he is willing to give them a shot in ME2 since they did bring him back to life. All of this is why I can't stand that we are having to fight Cerberus in ME3 after just working for them. They really coulnd't come up with another badass type footsoldier to fight in ME3? 

That being said, now that Cerberus is against my Shepard.... all bets are off and he'll screw them every chance he gets. 


And so that this "wall o' text" isn't all completely off topic....

tomas2377 wrote...


Ashley herself gave her report about the Collector attack on Horizon to the Council and especially Anderson. She might have calmed down a bit from meeting Shepard on Horizon by then and told them to give Shepard a chance to deal with the situation. After all that e-mail didn't come out of nowhere. She still cares a lot for Shepard and maybe even still loves him.

She might have eventually supported him behind the scenes. That is at least what I am hoping.

And she will be a Spectre in ME3. We don't know yet how she will become one. Maybe she herself lead an attack on another Collector ship.

I definitely think that Ashley supported Shepard in the beginning shortly after his death. Arguing that the Reapers are real and wondering why the alliance/council was turning a blind eye to it. I think she would be pretty angry as I said in my previous post. 

As for her feelings for Shepard. I like to think that she still loves him and thats the reason she was so emotional when she saw him again on Horizon.  She hadn't let herself think about him for 2 years and then suddenly all those feeling came flooding back... 

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 03 juillet 2011 - 01:24 .

[V-rex]

Made a pretty big wall of text on the 'did anyone lose respect for Ashley on Horizon#578,000,0000,0000' if anyone's interested. I like to think I spoke for all of us when I reflected my general view of this whole Horizon thing and why us VS fans defend our respective VS to the degree that we do, if anyone's interested in reading it.
That said, I admit everyone's views are different so I probably just spoke for myself.

[Deelane]

^
I read it just now. Well said, V-Rex.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

V-rex wrote...

Made a pretty big wall of text on the 'did anyone lose respect for Ashley on Horizon#578,000,0000,0000' if anyone's interested. I like to think I spoke for all of us when I reflected my general view of this whole Horizon thing and why us VS fans defend our respective VS to the degree that we do, if anyone's interested in reading it.
That said, I admit everyone's views are different so I probably just spoke for myself.

link to thread? 

[TobiTobsen]

Good job V-Rex. But like always when you make a good response to the haters, most people ignore it.

But I really appreciate your work nonetheless

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

V-rex wrote...

Made
a pretty big wall of text on the 'did anyone lose respect for Ashley on
Horizon#578,000,0000,0000' if anyone's interested. I like to think I
spoke for all of us when I reflected my general view of this whole
Horizon thing and why us VS fans defend our respective VS to the degree
that we do, if anyone's interested in reading it.
That said, I admit everyone's views are different so I probably just spoke for myself.

link to thread? 

http://social.biowar...85287/6#7788326

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 03 juillet 2011 - 01:36 .

[V-rex]

EDIT:
Gah, post has been made redundant!

Oh well, never mind:

"Reporting for duty Skipper!"

Modifié par V-rex, 03 juillet 2011 - 01:40 .