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[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

It does somewhat suck that you can't pick 'true neutral' in ME, unfortunately, there's really no middle ground for some decisions, EG Rachni ...
You can't choose to hand the queen over to the council and let them debate it. Sure it'd probably end in its death, but at the same time it means you don't have to pull the trigger yourself.
Or in 2, with Cerberus. You either hate them, and reinforce that point of view throughout your time working with them, or you can agree with their views whole-heartedly, you can't say 'I agree with this, but only to a point'.

Indeed. 
If there's a chance BW will reboot the series, they definitely should add a neutral path and lower prerequesites for paragon / renegade decisions a bit.

For most parts of ME2 I wished I could leave Cerberus and return to the Alliance. Mission is still the same: take out the Collectors. All I wanted is a decision where I can show TIM my middle finger and tell him "we're doing things my way" - not at the end of ME2, but at the beginning. Whatever ...

Lets hope for ME3. Especially if Ashley will be the "anchor" that keeps Shepard grounded.

By the way - what's your greybox!Shepard doing, Aurora :innocent:

Modifié par CptData, 27 novembre 2011 - 11:32 .

[Aurora313]

[quote]CptData wrote...
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Indeed. 
If there's a chance BW will reboot the series, they definitely should add a neutral path and lower prerequesites for paragon / renegade decisions a bit.

For most parts of ME2 I wished I could leave Cerberus and return to the Alliance. Mission is still the same: take out the Collectors. All I wanted is a decision where I can show TIM my middle finger and tell him "we're doing things my way" - not at the end of ME2, but at the beginning. Whatever ...

Lets hope for ME3. Especially if Ashley will be the "anchor" that keeps Shepard grounded.

By the way - what's your greybox!Shepard doing, Aurora :innocent:.[/quote]






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If I had the choice I would have gone straight back to the Alliance, to hell with TIM, Cerberus and the rest. Contacting Hannah Shepard, Ash and Anderson would have been the first thing I would have done, but then again. TIM said the Alliance was doing nothing, and even Ash didn't believe me, thinking Shepard had been manipulated or felt 'indebted' to Cerberus for saving his ass

(Going from galactic hero to being shackled into the roll of a terrorist's right-hand b!tch?   Nice definition of 'saving', Ash. If anything, you should have shot Shepard's Cerb-y entourage yourself. Coulda freed him, but anyway... ).

To answer your question? It's not. I didn't spend any time doing anything productive today. I've been too restless to write unfortunately. Ideas are churning, but I can't think of anything that doesn't sound like an Assassin's Creed crossover. Granted, the grey-box tech does allow you to see snapshots of memories, not sure if you can get 'lost' in it...

Modifié par Aurora313, 27 novembre 2011 - 11:42 .

[Aurora313]

 Unforutnately, all I have so far is a scene relatively close to the very start written down. The rest of it is still floating around in my head.

"John? Are you alright?" Ashley immediately sensed something amiss when the locking mechanism had been engaged on John's door.

It wasn't hard to crack the encryption, the password was predictable, and she would note how sweet and sappy it was if she hadn't been so concerned. Shepard hadn't come down for the scheduled meeting twenty minutes ago. He used to internal coms system to delegate the assignment to her command and then shut the channel down. After, when Ash tried to contact him privately from her post, Shepard had evidently engaged privacy mode. Fed up, she finally decided to come up herself and see what was wrong, she almost regretted opening the door after hearing the grunt of discomfort.

The room was darkened, his terminal had been shut down, the lights had been switched off and even the fish-tank's ambient light had been reduced to its lowest level. The only true source of light came from the mounted flauscent light behind her in the hallway.

"Shut the door please." She heard him groan.

He was on the bed, with one arm over his eyes and the other hanging limply off the bed. If she hadn't known better, she would have assumed he was hung-over but he hadn't touched a drop for weeks. She took a step in and closed the door behnd her, locking it once more. Shepard let out another grunt of pain, but also let out something of a relieved breath. Again, she pressed the question coming up besides their bed, though she lowered her voice to a whisper.

"Are you alright?"

He struggled to answer, "Just a migraine." He didn't sound too reassuring. "Chakwas gave me a shot. Hasn't helped, so I'm just gonna have to work through it."

"Would it help if I kissed it better?" She half-joked, suceeding in getting a pained smile.

"I'm not gonna stop you from trying, but I doubt it." He whispered, taking in a deep breath and exhaling. The pain was getting a little easier to cope with, or perhaps he was getting used to the strain? His focus turned back to business. "Don't you have a shipment to confiscate?" Shepard reminded her, pulling his arm away just enough for her to see his faitgued blue eyes.

"I'll heading off now." She answered, a sly smirk appeared on her lips. "Get better before I get back, Marine. I'm not doing your paperwork ontop of mine."

Shepard chuckled, "Yes ma'am."

[Xilizhra]

It also depends on your Shepard is Ashley keeps him grounded or puts some sense in his mind when s/he goes down the renegade path. I don't have any renegade playthroughs, but I do have several paragon Shepards with some renegade decisions done, Ashley keeps my Shepards from becoming to idealistic and therefore, to loose connection to reality.

The only non-interrupt Renegade decision my Shepard has ever made is killing Charn, and that wasn't really pragmatic. However, I don't believe that Renegade has a monopoly (or arguably even much presence) in pragmatism; I'm both wholly Paragon and trying to do what works best for the world, and I've never felt Ashley was more right than me when we had a disagreement on this matter.

[Aurora313]

I agree. Renagade is just about being completely ruthless and doing what you want with no care (at least any apparent care) about the consequence. In my eye, it's just trying to sow chaos for chaos sake. But a paragon is someone actively thinking of the 'ideal solution' to a problem that works in the long run. Both look at the long run, but Paragon approaches it as an Idealist, Renagade approaches it as someone who isn't afraid to make the choices that others would regard as 'ruthless'...

And while have a bit of fun with unwitting batarians and using welding tools as improvised stabbing impliments...

Though when I took her to Noveria and the Rachni, she raised a valid point about them being a possible threat. I needed a coin toss to help me with that one truthfully.

Modifié par Aurora313, 27 novembre 2011 - 01:31 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Aurora313 wrote...

I agree. Renagade is just about being completely ruthless and doing what you want with no care (at least any apparent care) about the consequence

It's was supposed to be more about getting the job done, no matter the cost or consequence. Being efficient and taking the most direct course to accomplish your goals. But it turned out more to be less Paragon/Renegade and more... Idealist/Douchebag. Which is beyond lame.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

MegaBadExample wrote...

CptData wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...


Yeah, but if it's not Ashley... I don't care if she's around or not. Hell, I'd probably let Team Dextro kill her.

I think I heard / read enough "indirect" spoilers to know Ash will be Ash. At least the guys telling me she'll be good old Ash like we know her from ME. No details - I don't wanna know more than I already know since Ash is the one I want to explore in ME3. More than new worlds

Means to me: poetry-loving-pragmatic-tough-and-extremely-loveable Ashley that keeps Shepard grounded and puts some sense in his head if he becomes too idealistic.

I keep telling you not to worry! Damn it.
(Excuse me while I go cry)

I've seen the spoilers... there's plenty to be worried about. A couple bones thrown at us by bioware is no reason to just accept what happens to Ashley.

[Aurora313]

night ash followers

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

um, night!
lol

[AllianceN7Marine]

I've been looking in to the whole Alliance Military Vocational Codes for Ashley and I've just had a thought. On the new pictures we've seen (CE Edition Video) Ashley has S1 on her uniform like Shepards N7. Now I found another forum http://z15.invisionf...p?showtopic=928 which has all of the definitions of what each code means (which branch they belong to). Now we know Ashley's original code was:
 
 B4 = Band (also including Colour Guard, Honor Guard, etc.) Experience level 4
 
 But if S1 is her new code (promoted to a different branch of the navy) then it would mean:
 
 S1 = Orbital Deployment, Reconnaissance, Infiltration, and Assault Forces, Experience level 1
 
 which would be more fitting of the type of Solider Ashley is. What do you think?

Modifié par AllianceN7Marine, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

B4 stood for Band!? I didn't know she played an instrument! lol

[UrusVerra]

AllianceN7Marine wrote...
 But if S1 is her new code (promoted to a different branch of the navy) then it would mean:
 
 S1 = Orbital Deployment, Reconnaissance, Infiltration, and Assault Forces, Experience level 1
 
 which would be more fitting of the type of Solider Ashley is. What do you think?

Huh, and I had a suggestion S1 meant SpecTRe - 1 Spectre of Spectres

Seriously - since Ash is now member of Special Tactics and Reconnaissance, S1 seems appropriate.

Though "infiltration"... I guess Ash as infiltrator is just as Shep - every "infiltration" ends with blowing up some heavy objects and shooting on sight))

[AllianceN7Marine]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

B4 stood for Band!? I didn't know she played an instrument! lol

From the searching I've done on military code definitions thats what it means. Maybe that could explain the fact she always wore pink armor while the rest of her unit had camo armor. It might have been the only branch they would let her into because of her family history. It could also explain why she never got any heavy combat experance, from looking at the rest of the codes it looks to be one of the lowest branches with very little chance to get noticed like her farther.

[Mr. Brainheart]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

B4 stood for Band!? I didn't know she played an instrument! lol

Oh yes! She plays an instrument called "the boomstick" the other members use guns with iconic sounds and they mix all the gun sounds up into this rythmic music! It's sounds quite fun.

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[insomniac13]

I'm not liking Ashley's new look. She still looks good, sure, but she doesn't strike me as a person who would wear her hair down. Especially in a combat situation of this magnitude!

[UrusVerra]

Aha, Brain, I wonder if anyone ever made about ME something like this:



insomniac13, come on, everyone's going to die - why not to allow yourself to live as you want before the end? 

Modifié par UrusVerra, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:48 .

[AllianceN7Marine]

insomniac13 wrote...

I'm not liking Ashley's new look. She still looks good, sure, but she doesn't strike me as a person who would wear her hair down. Especially in a combat situation of this magnitude!

There has been some images of Ashley in more heavy Armor where her hair is in a ponytail. The long hair look could just be her casual apperance then she ties it up when shes knows shes going in to combat.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

UrusVerra wrote...

Aha, Brain, I wonder if anyone ever made about ME something like this:



insomniac13, come on, everyone's going to die - why not to allow yourself to live as you want before the end? 

That's where the opinions differ... I think she wouldn't choose to look like that. (Not talking about the hair)

[UrusVerra]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

UrusVerra wrote...

Aha, Brain, I wonder if anyone ever made about ME something like this:



insomniac13, come on, everyone's going to die - why not to allow yourself to live as you want before the end? 

That's where the opinions differ... I think she wouldn't choose to look like that. (Not talking about the hair)

Maybe she wouldn't choose. And maybe the Council just didn't ask)) Come on, I was just making fun.

Btw, about hair - personally I like the bun more, still I have nothing against free hair

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I like her hair up or down. That's not what bothers me about the look.

Yeah, it looks like something that Velarn (or whatever his name was) would force her to wear...
lmao

[CptData]

Xilizhra wrote...

It also depends on your Shepard is Ashley keeps him grounded or puts some sense in his mind when s/he goes down the renegade path. I don't have any renegade playthroughs, but I do have several paragon Shepards with some renegade decisions done, Ashley keeps my Shepards from becoming to idealistic and therefore, to loose connection to reality.

The only non-interrupt Renegade decision my Shepard has ever made is killing Charn, and that wasn't really pragmatic. However, I don't believe that Renegade has a monopoly (or arguably even much presence) in pragmatism; I'm both wholly Paragon and trying to do what works best for the world, and I've never felt Ashley was more right than me when we had a disagreement on this matter.

Think you got me wrong. Pragmatism != renegade. Renegade looks mostly like "Shepard is a jerk that loves kicking everyone in the face". Pragmatism is for me to pick the best option for any given situation. If I would play a pragmatistic Shepard, he would save the Council but kill the Rachni Queen. He wouldn't kick the Eclipse soldier out of the window - but he wouldn't hesitate to take out Elana.

So pragmatism is most likely somewhere between renegade and paragon. Maybe pretty much even. Too bad Mass Effect doesn't support this route - most decisions require high standards in one extreme.

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

I
agree. Renagade is just about being completely ruthless and doing what
you want with no care (at least any apparent care) about the consequence

It's
was supposed to be more about getting the job done, no matter the cost
or consequence. Being efficient and taking the most direct course to
accomplish your goals. But it turned out more to be less
Paragon/Renegade and more... Idealist/Douchebag. Which is beyond lame.

Exactly. Either Shepard is a idealist (almost bordering idiocy) or just a gun for hire that's not a tad better than the guys s/he takes out while "doing the job". Most of the renegade options seem to be ... dumb. To be honest. Kicking everyone in the face doesn't help to do the job, but it makes things far more complicated. I'd like to see a renegade Shepard that's not acting like a jerk but like someone who -WANTS- to get something done, without sacrificing everything. That's why BW seems to favor paragon over renegade. Even if some paragon options can backfire later, most of them won't, while most of renegade options will backfire and only a few will help you. And choosing a path between both extremes won't net you anything positive.

Modifié par CptData, 27 novembre 2011 - 05:47 .

[Xilizhra]

Pragmatism is for me to pick the best option for any given situation.

I agree. It's just that I believe that such is nearly always Paragon.

Also, one thing I find rather interesting is that the Council decision is identical to Ashley's bear/dog analogy, except the Destiny Ascension is the dog and the Alliance is the human. And Ashley turns out to be exactly how she feared the Council would be if the situations were reversed, while Shepard (mine, anyway) defied it. I wonder what she thought about that afterwards.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Xilizhra wrote...

Pragmatism is for me to pick the best option for any given situation.

I agree. It's just that I believe that such is nearly always Paragon.

Also, one thing I find rather interesting is that the Council decision is identical to Ashley's bear/dog analogy, except the Destiny Ascension is the dog and the Alliance is the human. And Ashley turns out to be exactly how she feared the Council would be if the situations were reversed, while Shepard (mine, anyway) defied it. I wonder what she thought about that afterwards.

That depends on who you bring with you to that decision. I've had Ashley tell Shepard to save the council. Not much stock can be put into the squadmates thoughts on that decision as they all go for both sides.

[Xilizhra]

True, but if it does go down like that, which it did for me, I'm curious as to what she'd think.

[CptData]

Xilizhra wrote...

Pragmatism is for me to pick the best option for any given situation.

I agree. It's just that I believe that such is nearly always Paragon.

Also, one thing I find rather interesting is that the Council decision is identical to Ashley's bear/dog analogy, except the Destiny Ascension is the dog and the Alliance is the human. And Ashley turns out to be exactly how she feared the Council would be if the situations were reversed, while Shepard (mine, anyway) defied it. I wonder what she thought about that afterwards.

Dunno. I'm an exclusive paragon player as I said - usually I have 90% or more paragon points. Half of those decisions feel "odd" to use a polite word. I had to pick them, otherwise, my Shep would have two half filled bars.

Ashley's bear/dog analogy is one of the things that gets misinterpreted a lot, mostly because of her own fault. Even if you care for that dog - if your life is in danger, you wouldn't hesitate to use your dog to protect yourself, even if that means your dog will die. I don't know if ethics evolved to a higher standard in the 22nd century, but today, most codes of law see pets as items someone can own, not as own being with rights. Maybe that's one of the reasons why some guys abuse their pets ... I don't know.

However, lets say an animal doesn't have any more rights in 22nd Century than it has now. In that case, Ashley's line can't be applied on aliens since they're sentient beings with rights while an animal doesn't have these rights. You shouldn't sacrifice ten thousand lives to save a few hundred. However, Shepard doesn't know if saving the DA won't result in severe damage to the Alliance fleet so it's no longer able to take out Sovereign. Saving the DA is a high risk, but still not on the level "bear and dog". It doesn't really work.


... and still I have the feeling I didn't explain it so everyone can get my idea why "bear/dog" and "saving DA" isn't the same. Language issues I guess.