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[Aurora313]

@Data. What did you think of my Dialogue yesterday? Between Miranda and Ashley?

Edit: Uh. My Mac doesn't like making Top Ashs. Sorry.

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 décembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

@Data. What did you think of my Dialogue yesterday? Between Miranda and Ashley?

Played out well - it needs a part II imho. Feels a bit incomplete, if you ask me, but you got the relationship between them very well. Frosty. ^^
Aaaaaaand you lack a top Ash. :innocent:


Time for bed now. I'm tired. And that day was horribly f00ked up. My car got hit by another one - and tomorrow I need to do some calls to fix the damage. <_<

[ADLegend21]

CptData wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

um ME2 was rated higher than Me1 and also won awards for writing that, to the best of my knowledge, ME1 didn't. I wouldn't call ME2 a failure just because two characters were missing. There's more to Mass Effect than Ashley and Kaidan.

It's not the lack of Kaidan or Ashley in ME2. It's more ... and don't get me wrong ... the math:

Only 6 missions of ME2 are directly related to the game's main story: defeating the Reapers. If you add both DLCs "Arrival" and "LotSB" to "essential missions" that number raises to 8. I think I calculated something like 25 total missions - means the rest are non-story related missions. There's too much recruiting and loyalizing involved and that takes out a lot of speed of the plot. Isn't it time critical since with every passing day another colony could get abducted? Does Shepard have the time to do all those "side missions"? I'm just asking.

Overall I think ME2 got rushed. It feels incomplete; 6 - 12 months more time could have finished the game.


ME1 got less points because the gameplay wasn't finished and the combat system was incomplete. I think ME1 with ME2 or ME3 technology but same story and extras would score more points.

ME1 had only three mission vaguely related to the main story. You only fought the main villian twice. In ME2 you fight the main villain 3 times (Horizon, on their ship, and in their base.) You also explore the other half of the ME universe and get insight on the Geth, Krogan, and Quarians as well as the majority of the terminus systems. Shepard had a ton of side missions in ME1 when there was an actual REAPER flying about. Now it's ust their lackies that know how to stealth. plus the collectors were targetting shepard and their crew specifically (which is why Horizon got attacked because Ashley and Kaidan were there.) Overall it's a deeper story and a fantastic bridge into the Reapers invading than ME1 was. Especially since Shepard has to pretty do that on their own without the council and Alliance but with Cerberus.

[Aurora313]

God, that sucks.

I just thought Miranda's remark was very cutting.
'He already had a stand-in for his dead wife'. And part two may be coming. Not sure yet. Got a lot of work to do.

[ADLegend21]

Woah, top ash plz

[Aurora313]

Can someone else put up an Ashley image to compensate. My mac doesn't like doing 'T-Ash'es.

[Complistic]

Aurora313 wrote...

Can someone else put up an Ashley image to compensate. My mac doesn't like doing 'T-Ash'es.

[ADLegend21]

[Aurora313]

Thanking you kindly.

Shepard: You waltz into my quarters like you own the place and give me that sad face? Just who the hell do you think you are?
Ashley: Uh - I was gonna give a stark confession of my undying love that I've had since I first saw you topless in the medical bay.
Shepard: Oh... -.- slightly awkward.
Ashley: Only 'Slightly'.
Shepard: Uh... do you still wanna do the whole heart-felt confession?
Ashley: Sort of. ... Can I still say how you 'make me feel good enough'?
Shepard: Would you rather I just take you in a manly fashion?
Ashley: Cause I'm pretty?
Shepard: Cause you're pretty.
Ashley: ... Ok, works for me *pounces him... or he pounces here... I don't know, there's a lot of 'pouncing' going on, if you know what I mean.*

[ADLegend21]

Ashley loves sweet potato pie. So it is written, so it shall be (or whatever that line is)

[Aurora313]

As it is writ, so shall it be. Is the line.

My Ash has a thing for the occasional sweet snack, coffee on slow days and she's not afraid of being open minded (see dialogue on previous page).

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

Aurora313 wrote...

@Data. What did you think of my Dialogue yesterday? Between Miranda and Ashley?

Edit: Uh. My Mac doesn't like making Top Ashs. Sorry.

That's because it's a mac I thought it was a great dialogue.  I never got the impression that Ashley and Miranda would like each other.  Cerberus is a straight-up terrorist group, and nothing Miranda says will convince Ashley otherwise.  Similarly, Ashley represents everything Miranda has been fighting since she joined cerberus; a soldier who is willing to die for the principles of the Alliance, which are debatably corrupt in their own right.  Ugh, I'm going to have to stop myself right there before I go on a Alliance vs. Cerberus rant.

Anyway, I'm hoping this issue is addressed more in ME3, especially regarding how to reform the Alliance infastructure

[Aurora313]

Nah. I didn't want anything deep and meaningful like that. I just wanted Miranda to get a barb in Ashley's side about my Shepard's past relationships and only being a 'stand-in' for someone who died a decade before. Kind of to drive another wedge in their relationship by implying she(Ash) is not the first one in Shepard's heart and never will be.

- Which is BS. Shepard's only tie to that woman left was the tattoo on his back which got burnt off when he died the first time. He still remembers her in a small way, but he's moved on from it.

Modifié par Aurora313, 05 décembre 2011 - 02:50 .

[ADLegend21]

Vega: so Williams how much do you bench?
Ash: Depends on how much you weigh.
Vega:...um..I don't follow ma'am.
Ash: usually when a marine asks me how much I bench, I end up picking him up, holding him over my head and doing 10 reps with him, then going on about my business.
Vega:.....ouch Ma'am...

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Can I just quote the entire 494 page!?

Cpt Data... you are the man! XD

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

CptData wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

um ME2 was rated higher than Me1 and also won awards for writing that, to the best of my knowledge, ME1 didn't. I wouldn't call ME2 a failure just because two characters were missing. There's more to Mass Effect than Ashley and Kaidan.

It's not the lack of Kaidan or Ashley in ME2. It's more ... and don't get me wrong ... the math:

Only 6 missions of ME2 are directly related to the game's main story: defeating the Reapers. If you add both DLCs "Arrival" and "LotSB" to "essential missions" that number raises to 8. I think I calculated something like 25 total missions - means the rest are non-story related missions. There's too much recruiting and loyalizing involved and that takes out a lot of speed of the plot. Isn't it time critical since with every passing day another colony could get abducted? Does Shepard have the time to do all those "side missions"? I'm just asking.

Overall I think ME2 got rushed. It feels incomplete; 6 - 12 months more time could have finished the game.


ME1 got less points because the gameplay wasn't finished and the combat system was incomplete. I think ME1 with ME2 or ME3 technology but same story and extras would score more points.

ME1 had only three mission vaguely related to the main story.

Wrong.

Therum, Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos, Citadel (final battle). 

Also 6 main missions. 

[CptData]

ADLegend21 wrote...

ME1 had only three mission vaguely related to the main story. You only fought the main villian twice. In ME2 you fight the main villain 3 times (Horizon, on their ship, and in their base.) You also explore the other half of the ME universe and get insight on the Geth, Krogan, and Quarians as well as the majority of the terminus systems. Shepard had a ton of side missions in ME1 when there was an actual REAPER flying about. Now it's ust their lackies that know how to stealth. plus the collectors were targetting shepard and their crew specifically (which is why Horizon got attacked because Ashley and Kaidan were there.) Overall it's a deeper story and a fantastic bridge into the Reapers invading than ME1 was. Especially since Shepard has to pretty do that on their own without the council and Alliance but with Cerberus.

ME1 had also six, but somehow these six got connected in a far better way. Or there were less distracting "side missions" you could not ignore for the story. In ME1 you could follow the story without doing a single assignment and it still felt complete. Of course, you were missing a lot of fluff, but that fluff wasn't that important for the main story.

I can't really put my finger on it, but ME2 simply felt less complete, although it came with more well designed missions. Must say, even the small assignments in ME2 were far better designed than most of the assignments in ME1.
Maybe because you were drawn away from the main story far too often. You -needed- to recruit all those guys. You -needed- to loyalize them or they won't make it. The funny part is, that half of these missions could get removed and integrated into main story without harming anything. Think of Legion: you stumpled over him while doing the IFF mission. No need to recruit him. Or Jacob and Miranda. You pick them up and they're part of the story. Mordin and Garrus are okay so far. It's - in my eyes - more a problem of the loyalty missions. You need to loyalize every single squadmate - and that takes time. Think they should have reduced the LM count by half - some of them should be loyal from the beginning.

However, I also think these missions that gave more insight in different alien cultures were great. I just wish any "side missions" were more integrated into the main story to give a more complete feeling. That plus far more character development and deeper romantic arcs and I'm fine.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Data; You say you can't put your finger on it but I think you just did.
I do believe it came down to putting too many characters in ME2, that's why I'm glad they are going back to a squad of six, but I still wish they'd (taken) more time for the final game. Well I shouldn't start judging them for that until I've actually played the game.

To stay a little on topic: Have an Ash

by VelvetRue

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:03 .

[CptData]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

Data; You say you can't put your finger on it but I think you just did.
I do believe it came down to putting too many characters in ME2, that's why I'm glad they are going back to a squad of six, but I still wish they'd (taken) more time for the final game. Well I shouldn't start judging them for that until I've actually played the game.

Yeah, I don't judge ME3 now. I think it's going to be a bit like ME2 - a quite short main story arc and lots of side missions. However, they seem to be more optional and don't involve dozens of recruitment & loyalizing missions, which is good.
Of course, I don't want to stick to the main plot exclusively. There's so much to explore and every finished mission will raise your "galactic readiness meter". The difference is just there - you don't need to do those missions. It's your decision again.

And yes, it's definitely "too many new characters". I think the roster could have been reduced to 8: 2 of them are "Team Dextro", the other 6 are "new guys". Still no VS here, but BW would have to do far less extra missions for those character which means more time and money for the rest of the cast. And that includes romantic story arcs & Ashley


More Ash:

I love how she gazes out of the window

Modifié par CptData, 05 décembre 2011 - 09:09 .

[FireEye]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

To stay a little on topic: Have an Ash

[ZOMG!]

by VelvetRue

MY DUDES! 


Kaidan: "Run."
Ashley: "What're you gonna do?"
Kaidan: "Run the other direction.  She can't catch both of us."

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Too many characters (even though I liked most of them) and too much focus on gaining their loyalty. Needed more story missions or closer together or... something to make it seem more fluid. You hit it on the head I think Data.

As for Ashley not being in ME2... I absolutely hated that aspect. I keep thinking, HOPING, that I'd see her again... see her near the end, but it never happen. I rushed through the game trying to find another Ash moment and it just never happened. It was so disappointing. And to top it off... no mention of her (or kaidan) in ANY of the DLC that came out, where even people like Hackett (who we hadn't even SEEN before Arrival) were mentioned.

[Sinapus]

FireEye wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

To stay a little on topic: Have an Ash

[ZOMG!]

by VelvetRue

MY DUDES! 
*snippy*
Kaidan: "Run."
Ashley: "What're you gonna do?"
Kaidan: "Run the other direction.  She can't catch both of us."

*Ash runs off, comes back immediately*
*Ash catches up to Kaidan*
Ashley: THAT WAS A DEAD END!!!!
(Okay, stole something from an old anime series called Tenchi Muyo so it was likely out of character. For both.)

[CptData]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Too many characters (even though I liked most of them) and too much focus on gaining their loyalty. Needed more story missions or closer together or... something to make it seem more fluid. You hit it on the head I think Data.

As for Ashley not being in ME2... I absolutely hated that aspect. I keep thinking, HOPING, that I'd see her again... see her near the end, but it never happen. I rushed through the game trying to find another Ash moment and it just never happened. It was so disappointing. And to top it off... no mention of her (or kaidan) in ANY of the DLC that came out, where even people like Hackett (who we hadn't even SEEN before Arrival) were mentioned.

True. But I want to be fair when talking about ME2: the story didn't need the VS to work and it would have been totally OOC if you could recruit Ash or Kaidan for Cerberus. So I am ignoring them when talking about ME2.
And yes, I know the VS could have been part of the Arrival mission.

The thing that bugged me most was lack of understanding on Anderson's side. Somehow I always return to him after Horizon and hope that he'll get the idea my Shepard wants to see the VS? Not possible. The SB has no dossiers either, or he has and Shepard didn't care. The main issue I have is the VS seems to be entirely unimportant to Shepard and the universe, since s/he only get mentioned in few dialogues and has two cameos: intro and Horizon.

Even if I could not have Ash with me, I'd loved to read more mails or have a second meeting on the Citadel. Even if it's entirely unrelated to the story and "free choice".

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

CptData wrote...

Even if I could not have Ash with me, I'd loved to read more mails or have a second meeting on the Citadel. Even if it's entirely unrelated to the story and "free choice".

Pretty sure I've said that before. I totally agree. 

Ash could have been in the game in other ways... they just didn't wanna spend the effort. 

[CptData]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

CptData wrote...

Even if I could not have Ash with me, I'd loved to read more mails or have a second meeting on the Citadel. Even if it's entirely unrelated to the story and "free choice".

Pretty sure I've said that before. I totally agree. 

Ash could have been in the game in other ways... they just didn't wanna spend the effort. 

Most likely because they spent all their money and time on new characters.
That irks me - one character less, and we would have some more VS stuff in ME2.
Just two different ideas and the VS would have been part of "Arrival" - as military attaché of Hackett or agent or something.

It's just that.