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[EpicBoot2daFace]

CptData wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I suppose it's a bit more realistic to have Ash and Kaiden straight. Not every girl or guy is going to want to hook up with Shepard if they don't share those same feelings. To make all of the characters bisexual is, in my opinion, an easy way to cheapen them.

Hmm, dunno. I think you don't fully understand the idea of "parallel universe" and "fluent characters".

Shepard is such a "fluent" character. The base character is pretty much what you do at the beginning while character customization, everything else is up to you. Shepard changes with every decision and becomes more and more the character you like. That also applies on love interests.
A Shepard that loves Ashley will like her poems and loves talking about her family. Another Shepard does things Liara likes. Shepard is shy around Tali and straight forward when dealing with Miranda ... you get it? Shepard is -exactly- like his or her love interests expect him to be.

Now I can say same applies a bit on other characters, but I wouldn't call them "fluent". They stay pretty much similar, but of course change their preferences with every new universe (Shepard) created. If you want a gay Shepard, Kaidan should be homosexual as well. If your Shepard is lesbian, Ashley will welcome her in her arms. But Kaidan and Ashley are only homosexuals in that respective universe - they're straight in another one.

At least that's my opinion. I respect your's, but can't fully understand yours - each Shepard, each playthrough and therefore each universe is different, and so are the characters.
That's why I support homosexual relationships in ME. Because they are one option out of a million.

Last Ash for me today:

Each character is unique and has different interests. By making each character a 'potential' LI, regardless of their gender, it means that Shepard has direct control over someone's sexual preferences. That cheapens the universe and the people in it.

The characters must have their own interests, and if a homosexual relationship is not among them, then it makes sense for that character to deny Shepard's advances. Perhaps they could handle it better. Actually have Ash or Kaiden deny Shepard vocally instead of just cutting the dialogue completely just because you play a certain gender.

[shepskisaac]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I suppose it's a bit more realistic to have Ash and Kaiden straight. Not every girl or guy is going to want to hook up with Shepard if they don't share those same feelings.

So Ash & KaidAn now make up for "every girl or guy"? Also, gimme a call when realism is actually taken into account when it comes to Ash, Kaidan and every other LI's availability. None cares about looks, you can have the most ugly Shep in the universe and they will sitll be totally into you. That is NOT realistic. They also don't care about what you do. You can beat women for no reason (the reporter) and Ash will still want to date you. That's NOT realistic. So really, realism argument is null when we're talking about the availability of Love Interests.

[Cossack72]

IsaacShep wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I suppose it's a bit more realistic to have Ash and Kaiden straight. Not every girl or guy is going to want to hook up with Shepard if they don't share those same feelings.

So Ash & KaidAn now make up for "every girl or guy"? Also, gimme a call when realism is actually taken into account when it comes to Ash, Kaidan and every other LI's availability. None cares about looks, you can have the most ugly Shep in the universe and they will sitll be totally into you. That is NOT realistic. They also don't care about what you do. You can beat women for no reason (the reporter) and Ash will still want to date you. That's NOT realistic. So really, realism argument is null when we're talking about the availability of Love Interests.

Of course there's a reason: She makes snide + disingenuous comments/assertions. Those are good a reasons as any

[Aurora313]

Not to mention she was trying to use the dead to smear Shepard. Just as a regular person, I wanted to punch her in the face for it. You do not disrespect the dead. Its the mark of a shallow and disgusting person.

Who wants to go three for three?

[ADLegend21]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Each character is unique and has different interests. By making each character a 'potential' LI, regardless of their gender, it means that Shepard has direct control over someone's sexual preferences. That cheapens the universe and the people in it.

The characters must have their own interests, and if a homosexual relationship is not among them, then it makes sense for that character to deny Shepard's advances. Perhaps they could handle it better. Actually have Ash or Kaiden deny Shepard vocally instead of just cutting the dialogue completely just because you play a certain gender.

You never ask he characters if they want a homosexual romance. You never even get to bring up the fact that you're homosexual unless you romance Liara as she's the only F/F romance that's Paramour achievemnt worthy. No one's asking you how Kelly's doing. You can't say , as MaleShep , "You're cute Alenko" or "Alenko, I'm intersted in you" or the same for Ashley as femshep.  It never get put on the table. at all.

[DiebytheSword]

I don't mind that player agency can affect the desires of an NPC. The best D&D games I've had were where the DM altered the game's plot to better fit his living, breathing PCs. Amongst the worst were once that ignroed player agency, and insisted on a set outcome regardless of the player's desire.

To wit; I don't mind most of the romances in DA2, I do dislike Ander's rather forceful approach, male or female, because it rides roughshod over player agency, and punishes the player for refusing his advance.

Realistic? Yes.

Annoying in a game? Yes there too.

[ADLegend21]

Aurora313 wrote...

Not to mention she was trying to use the dead to smear Shepard. Just as a regular person, I wanted to punch her in the face for it. You do not disrespect the dead. Its the mark of a shallow and disgusting person.

Who wants to go three for three?

yeah but as a Male, hitting a woman unprovoked is socially unacceptable. That shows abusive tendencies, if he punches a woman he doesn't like how's he gonna treat the woman he adores? a curb stomp for burning a romantic dinner?

[AdmiralCheez]

My two cents:

I'm okay with Ash being straight, but if she's bi, I will be all over that without hesitation.

[ADLegend21]

Hell I know of some who roleplay ashley as in the closet around their lesbian femsheps, or she just doesn't wanna interfere with their relationship with Liara and think Kaidan's trying for them too.

[DiebytheSword]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Not to mention she was trying to use the dead to smear Shepard. Just as a regular person, I wanted to punch her in the face for it. You do not disrespect the dead. Its the mark of a shallow and disgusting person.

Who wants to go three for three?

yeah but as a Male, hitting a woman unprovoked is socially unacceptable. That shows abusive tendencies, if he punches a woman he doesn't like how's he gonna treat the woman he adores? a curb stomp for burning a romantic dinner?

Even "provocation" is problematic.  It would literally only be in the situation where anyone should be hit:  The person getting hit attempted to injure, harm or kill someone I care for.  By your definition, some people could, wrongly I might add, argue that a burnt romantic dinner was "provocation".

[EpicBoot2daFace]

IsaacShep wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I suppose it's a bit more realistic to have Ash and Kaiden straight. Not every girl or guy is going to want to hook up with Shepard if they don't share those same feelings.

So Ash & KaidAn now make up for "every girl or guy"? Also, gimme a call when realism is actually taken into account when it comes to Ash, Kaidan and every other LI's availability. None cares about looks, you can have the most ugly Shep in the universe and they will sitll be totally into you. That is NOT realistic. They also don't care about what you do. You can beat women for no reason (the reporter) and Ash will still want to date you. That's NOT realistic. So really, realism argument is null when we're talking about the availability of Love Interests.

Don't be ridiculous. Do you really expect BioWare to write code that determines whether or not a charcter is ugly?

The game is not a life simulator. BioWare has to give these characters life by introducing backstory and personality. Those things just happen to include sexual preference. It adds immersion to the world and characters that have been established.

[Ryzaki]

DiebytheSword wrote...

I don't mind that player agency can affect the desires of an NPC. The best D&D games I've had were where the DM altered the game's plot to better fit his living, breathing PCs. Amongst the worst were once that ignroed player agency, and insisted on a set outcome regardless of the player's desire.

To wit; I don't mind most of the romances in DA2, I do dislike Ander's rather forceful approach, male or female, because it rides roughshod over player agency, and punishes the player for refusing his advance.

Realistic? Yes.

Annoying in a game? Yes there too.

Okay that punishment? I got worse for being a mage and recruiting Fenris. (You get a whooping 25 rivarly points just by recruiting him. The lowest that can go is about 20 (or 15). YOU CAN NOT AVOID IT OTHER THAN NOT RECRUITING HIM). so yeah that punishment isn't that bad.

[FireEye]

Bah!  Bisexuality doesn't exist.  It's a myth!  Like unicorns.  And leprechauns.  And pants.



^Asari aren't female. 

[Aurora313]

Shouldn't this discussion be shifted over to the 'General Discussion' branch of the forum? Not the Ash support forum?

And further more, the Joy of Mass Effect is that you CREATE your OWN universe. All the choices made reflect how you want the 'verse to turn out.

[ADLegend21]

Well it involves ashley so it's on topic.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Aurora313 wrote...

Shouldn't this discussion be shifted over to the 'General Discussion' branch of the forum? Not the Ash support forum?

And further more, the Joy of Mass Effect is that you CREATE your OWN universe. All the choices made reflect how you want the 'verse to turn out.

You create your own Shepard. The universe has already been established.

[ADLegend21]

FireEye wrote...

Bah!  Bisexuality doesn't exist.  It's a myth!  Like unicorns.  And leprechauns.  And pants.



^Asari aren't female. 

indeed!

[Aurora313]

I mean, you create your own Shepard's verse and making decisions like the rachni and saving the colonists ect, changes how things will play out in the long run.

Sorry, poor choice of wording. Only been conscious for ten minutes.

[ADLegend21]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Shouldn't this discussion be shifted over to the 'General Discussion' branch of the forum? Not the Ash support forum?

And further more, the Joy of Mass Effect is that you CREATE your OWN universe. All the choices made reflect how you want the 'verse to turn out.

You create your own Shepard. The universe has already been established.

Not really. You can establish a universe where your Shepard is an at least second generatio Alliace soldier or a universe wher your shepard only knows loss of mindoir and akuze. Where shepard and cerberus are linked or they aren't. Wehre the coucnil, ashley, Kaidan, or Wrex are dead. The universe has it's guidlines, but i's not established in concrete.

[StaffSgt. Dignam]

When it comes to Ashley, as long as she's there and in character, I am totally cool.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Rdubs wrote...

I think someone in the comments said it's the eyebrows that do most of the damage and I have to agree.
http://www.gameranx....rilla-makeover/

Completely agree... the eyebrow change annoys the hell out of me. And out of those two pictures... does it look like her eye color has changed to anyone else? O.o

Course, it could be the lighting.

But that doesn't excuse the eyebrows...

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Cossack72 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I suppose it's a bit more realistic to have Ash and Kaiden straight. Not every girl or guy is going to want to hook up with Shepard if they don't share those same feelings.

So Ash & KaidAn now make up for "every girl or guy"? Also, gimme a call when realism is actually taken into account when it comes to Ash, Kaidan and every other LI's availability. None cares about looks, you can have the most ugly Shep in the universe and they will sitll be totally into you. That is NOT realistic. They also don't care about what you do. You can beat women for no reason (the reporter) and Ash will still want to date you. That's NOT realistic. So really, realism argument is null when we're talking about the availability of Love Interests. 

Of course there's a reason: She makes snide + disingenuous comments/assertions. Those are good a reasons as any [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Aurora313 wrote...

Not to mention she was trying to use the dead to smear Shepard. Just as a regular person, I wanted to punch her in the face for it. You do not disrespect the dead. Its the mark of a shallow and disgusting person.

Who wants to go three for three?

Um, no ... sorry. Any Shepard worth their salt wouldn't hit an innocent, unarmed, civilian reporter for talking bad about him. He would tell her off with intelligence and with as shown in the paragon and renegade dialogue choices.

IMO, punching that reporter is plainly without class and very moronic. It's just something Bioware threw in for the "lulz" and the awesome button effect. OMG YOU GUYS... WE GET TO RANDOMLY PUNCH INNOCENT CIVILIANS!!! THIS GAME ARE THE AWESOMEZ! GOTY! WOOOOO!

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