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[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

PMC65 wrote...

*Opens the thread without reading to avoid spoilers*

Sorry if this link was posted, but just in case it wasn't ...

Exclusive Look! Mass Effect 3 Character Design

http://www.buzzfeed....haracter-design

*Closes the thread without reading to avoid spoilers*

Omg, just read those descriptions of "why" they did what they did...

it's disgusting. 

[ADLegend21]

*rolls eyes until they fall out of head*

[V-rex]

"For Ashley's redesign we gave her sex appeal."

Well, I appreciate Bioware's honesty.... not... you know... a lot.

Still it was written there that later on she would don a full set of armor and so I am going to try to remain hopeful.

Also while I'm here, top Ash:



(I know I'm kind of overdoing this picture but to be fair it was dedicated to me so I do like it a fair bit)

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

oh please...

compare her description to Kaidan's.

They "bulked him up" (gave him heavier armor and a scruffier look) to give him the appearance of being ready to fight in an all out galactic war... but does Ashley get the "ready for war" treatment? Nope... she gets the eye candy treatment b/c she's female. It's a load of crap.

[shepskisaac]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

The game is not a life simulator.

Precisely. It's fun. And romances in BioWare games are just pure fun content they let everyone access, not matter if it's realistic. Sexual orienation shouldn't be different than. It's a design choice. They chose the 'fun', unrealistic way to let players access the romances, they should be consistient with their choice.

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

BioWare has to give these characters life by introducing backstory and personality. Those things just happen to include sexual preference. It adds immersion to the world and characters that have been established.

And those things just also happen to include morals. If Ash, Kaidan will sleep with Shep regardless if he/she's a walking angel or a sadistic maniac than it's HELLA unrealistic and should be breaking your precious immersion just as much, if not more (considering how much morals are more important in this game) as sexual preference. You gotta stick to your story. You can't be ignoring all the other unrealistic availabiloity factors and singling out only sexual orientation.

[V-rex]

I agree completely, frankly Bioware's treatment of female characters of late hasn't exactly been what you might call 'progressive'.
It is kind of shameful that while male characters actually look like soldiers, female character are constantly shown to be posing around more like supermodels. I don't have a problem with sexy women, I have a problem when 'sexy' is the only way they get marketted or presented by the devs.

[AdmiralCheez]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

oh please...

compare her description to Kaidan's.

They "bulked him up" (gave him heavier armor and a scruffier look) to give him the appearance of being ready to fight in an all out galactic war... but does Ashley get the "ready for war" treatment? Nope... she gets the eye candy treatment b/c she's female. It's a load of crap.

I think it's time for some hate mail.

And the rage extends beyond the BSN!

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 14 décembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[V-rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

And the rage extends beyond the BSN!

Damn, that rage be hardcore...

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

V-rex wrote...

I agree completely, frankly Bioware's treatment of female characters of late hasn't exactly been what you might call 'progressive'.
It is kind of shameful that while male characters actually look like soldiers, female character are constantly shown to be posing around more like supermodels. I don't have a problem with sexy women, I have a problem when 'sexy' is the only way they get marketted or presented by the devs.

I fail to see how she didn't have "sex appeal" before her little .... makeover. 

[V-rex]

Double post.

Might as well make the most of it:

@Reed, exactly. For god's sake if I romanced her every single playthrough and passed up Miranda, Jack, Tali, Kelly and Liara and instead stuck by her this whole time then clearly there must have been something keeping me interested.
Ashley always had sex appeal, she was a strong and beautiful woman with a feisty attitude. That's sexy where I come from.

It saddens me a little that the idiotic youtube commentors who scream: "SHE LOOKS TOO UNFEMININ AND KAIDEN LOOKS TO GIRLY!" 
Are about to be validated and even though those two character essentially broke the established 'gender roles' for characters like this, in Mass Effect 3 it looks like it's back to the status quo.

Modifié par V-rex, 14 décembre 2011 - 01:36 .

[ADLegend21]

V-rex wrote...

I agree completely, frankly Bioware's treatment of female characters of late hasn't exactly been what you might call 'progressive'.
It is kind of shameful that while male characters actually look like soldiers, female character are constantly shown to be posing around more like supermodels. I don't have a problem with sexy women, I have a problem when 'sexy' is the only way they get marketted or presented by the devs.

Dude JAcob gets as many ass shots as Miranda. while he's facing femsheo the camera is under his work station directly on his ass.

[Labrev]

 LMFAO.


One of the first things I thought after seeing Ash re-done: "so this is like the reward players get for waiting or something?" Oh, Bioware.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

oh please...

compare her description to Kaidan's.

They "bulked him up" (gave him heavier armor and a scruffier look) to give him the appearance of being ready to fight in an all out galactic war... but does Ashley get the "ready for war" treatment? Nope... she gets the eye candy treatment b/c she's female. It's a load of crap.

I think it's time for some hate mail.

And the rage extends beyond the BSN!

This made me happy. Thank you Cheez! XD

and that Robert Downey Jr picture on there totally reminds me of me b!tching about the new look and ADL telling me to stop. lmao

[ADLegend21]

Yes because all we can do it **** and whine and then **** some more and then whine some more and then sprinkle just a LITTLE bit more ****ing in before toping it off with whine icing on this fabulously baked complaint cake. Jesus christ I hate this fandom sometimes.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 14 décembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[V-rex]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...


I fail to see how she didn't have "sex appeal" before her little .... makeover. 

Oh but she like, didn't wear her hair like a hollywood actress on the red carpet and her outfit was just suit of armor with no bewbs. That's like uber gay and she looks like a bulldyke man face because clearly women can only be women if they adhere to rigid standards of beauty.

[MisterJB]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
I think it's time for some hate mail.
And the rage extends beyond the BSN!

I do think that person is overreacting somewhat.
Phrases like

"Ladies, you only get to wear padded spandex for armor."
or
“character design for men equals strength and power and masculine testosterone-fueled manliness. Character design for women equals sex sex sex sex sex.”

are just not true.
Yes, Ashley has a casual outfit that is, clearly, meant for us to ogle. However, Vega's casual outfit includes a shirt so tight that I can count his abdonimals and a pair of pants that I have yet to take a good look at for fear of seeing more than I want. So, fanservice not limited to women.
Ashley will wear armor which I can only hope will include ceramic plates instead of a hole for her cleavage that I can not, for the life of me, think of a realistic purpose for it to be there. Finally, you can see her hair tied into a bum in the very same page so, she won't walk into a battlefield risking her hair obstructing her vision field.

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 décembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[AdmiralCheez]

@MisterJB: I'm not saying I agree with everything that was said, just that there are people upset outside our little isolated hideyhole.

[ADLegend21]

THANK YOU MISTER JB.

[Rdubs]

Just thinking about this, wouldn't that be cool if instead of doing the traditional Paragon/Neutral/Renegade dialogue wheel where the romance is binary (happens at a certain stage if you didn't kill it), they made it like Dragon Age:Origins where your conversations result in a certain number of positive or negative points, and you need a certain number of points for things to happen? That would be a lot more involving I think, and realistic - some things you say the recipient will like more than others, on a more graduated scale than either you advance or you don't. It also made my additional DA:O playthroughs a lot more fun, trying out different responses and trying to maximize the number of points I received from each conversation. I can't tell you how many times I reloaded and replayed that conversation with Morrigan when she's talking to you about being in love, that was a massive dialogue tree.

[V-rex]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Dude JAcob gets as many ass shots as Miranda. while he's facing femsheo the camera is under his work station directly on his ass.

I agree that men get sexualized as well but I still don't think that makes blatant sexualization 'okay'. Especially when, while Jacob had been designed from the ground up to be a sex symbol for the ladies, Ashleyhad originally been designed as a hard bitten no nonsense marine and had instead been redesigned to be a sex symbol for the boys. Which some of us find problematic.
I mean say what you will for Jacob but you know as well as I do that Bioware would never redesign Garrus or Vega to look more 'sexy' for women by making them dress in tight fitting and revealing spandex. The only way male characters are ever 'redesigned' is to make them look more 'awesome' to male audiences (hence the redesign of Kaidan from the compassionate and caring soul into the gritty ass kicking Marine) and for female characters, games/comics/movies/tv shows consistently tell us that the only new form for them to take is the path of more sex appeal.
The following is an example of a feminist author criticising the portrayal of Starfire and Catwoman in the New 52 by DC comics, while it is different in essence, the principle is the same:
http://www.comicsall...x-superheroine/

Listen, I love Ashley and if I really have to deal with the outfit the whole way through, I will. I read the spoiler dialogue and I'm confident that no matter what she's wearing it's the same Ashley underneath so if I must I can cope. But I'd rather not have to cope and at least be given the option to put her in something far more appropriate for combat (hell the main reason I'm getting the CE is because at least her CE outfit has black pants) because I feel that going into a massive redesign of her to give her mainstream sex appeal like that is not a great service to the character.
I love Ashley, that ain's changing. But I still feel the need to criticise Bioware's handling of her.

Modifié par V-rex, 14 décembre 2011 - 01:53 .

[V-rex]

double post.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

V-rex wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...


I fail to see how she didn't have "sex appeal" before her little .... makeover. 

Oh but she like, didn't wear her hair like a hollywood actress on the red carpet and her outfit was just suit of armor with no bewbs. That's like uber gay and she looks like a bulldyke man face because clearly women can only be women if they adhere to rigid standards of beauty.

Sadly, that's how a lot of the supporters think. =/

Funny though. 

[FireEye]

Mostly I'm just laughing at the notion that the less formal, hair-down look is because she and Shepard are well acquainted.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

MisterJB wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
I think it's time for some hate mail.
And the rage extends beyond the BSN!

I do think that person is overreacting somewhat.
Phrases like

"Ladies, you only get to wear padded spandex for armor."
or
“character design for men equals strength and power and masculine testosterone-fueled manliness. Character design for women equals sex sex sex sex sex.”

are just not true.
Yes, Ashley has a casual outfit that is, clearly, meant for us to ogle. However, Vega's casual outfit includes a shirt so tight that I can count his abdonimals and a pair of pants that I have yet to take a good look at for fear of seeing more than I want. So, fanservice not limited to women.
Ashley will wear armor which I can only hope will include ceramic plates instead of a hole for her cleavage that I can not, for the life of me, think of a realistic purpose for it to be there. Finally, you can see her hair tied into a bum in the very same page so, she won't walk into a battlefield risking her hair obstructing her vision field.

Yet... Vega's is something that most marines actually wear when not in their combat gear. His is believable. Sure, it's tight and shows off his assests... but he isn't fighting in it, and was never intended to. 

He also wasn't in the previous two games and so his look is new... if he didn't have armor at all, I wouldn't care all that much b/c I have nothing to compare it to. 

Ash's look is pretty much the complete opposite of what I think of when I think of her. 

Ashley will get some armor (hopefully not that we have to pay for) ONLY b/c we b!tched about that look. I'm 99% sure that was her armor. 

Anyway, that article is more right than it is wrong. 

[ADLegend21]

because it's impossible that a woman could change her look after a 3 year time skip where the circumstances of her life have changed dramatically in those 3 years. utterly impossible.