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[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

because it's impossible that a woman could change her look after a 3 year time skip where the circumstances of her life have changed dramatically in those 3 years. utterly impossible.

Except for the part where... that's not why it was done.

Bioware said why themselves in that article I quoted. They did it for sex appeal. 

Kaidan gets makeover with heavier armor than he normally wore and gets that scruffy sheploo like facial hair so that he can look... more awesome and ready for all out war. Whilst Ashley gets thigh high heels, a jacket that looks like a mini-skirt, accentuated boobs, etc ... to look sexier and ready for war sexy times. Not only that but she even gets stuck with hip thrust poses... smh. Nothing about that says... This is Ashley Williams, a badass spectre.

Hell, even read Anderson's description in that...

"he donned fatigues that wouldn't look out of place on the battlefield, but still conveyed his rank"

what happened to that when they designed Ashley? 

[Ranarc]

I think some of you may have skipped over the last sentence of Ashley's concept art page, "...her iconic look is a stylish officer's uniform, but later she will don a full set of armor."

I know the devs already confirmed she would have armor but there go.

[V-rex]

Okay, new page and new Ash:



Can I just say for the record that while it does share the same basic problems as the other outfit, I actually kind of like the CE outfit? If only for the fact that the colors seem to scream 'Ashley' a bit more and because the dark pants look better then the white ones?

That said, I will make her wear armor once I get the chance.

Modifié par V-rex, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:15 .

[syllogi]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

because it's impossible that a woman could change her look after a 3 year time skip where the circumstances of her life have changed dramatically in those 3 years. utterly impossible.

Except for the part where... that's not why it was done.

Bioware said why themselves in that article I quoted. They did it for sex appeal. 

Kaidan gets makeover with heavier armor than he normally wore and gets that scruffy sheploo like facial hair so that he can look... more awesome and ready for all out war. Whilst Ashley gets thigh high heels, a jacket that looks like a mini-skirt, accentuated boobs, etc ... to look sexier and ready for war sexy times. Not only that but she even gets stuck with hip thrust poses... smh. Nothing about that says... This is Ashley Williams, a badass spectre.

Hell, even read Anderson's description in that...

"he donned fatigues that wouldn't look out of place on the battlefield, but still conveyed his rank"

what happened to that when they designed Ashley? 

EXACTLY.  That's why that tumblr post is so angry, because the INTENT of the designers is not noble, in this case.  The writing may be great, and rise above the cheap exploitation, but specifically redesigning a competent, brave, funny character...with ONLY sexuality in mind...is lame.

All they had to do was play the first game, and they would have had an idea of who Ashley is.  But it seems like they want to force her into the role of *just* being Generic Female Human Love Interest, without knowing how she was portrayed before, and how players already perceive her.

[ADLegend21]

Anderson's an ADMIRAL. When was the last time yous aw an Admiral on teh front lines? he should be at the helm of a ship somewhere not in the dirt getting shot at.

oh and what says this is Ashley williams badass spectre is the goddamn SPECTRE LOGO ON HER CHEST! as I said a million times before her old casual was tighter and showed her off more than this outfits which covers her from the neck down and has padding on it in case of the spontaneous combat we get into in the first 15 minutes of the game. Also I guess that Bioware is treating them like real people doesn't Matter right? God yous ound like drake and gash I swear.

[ADLegend21]

Ranarc wrote...

I think some of you may have skipped over the last sentence of Ashley's concept art page, "...her iconic look is a stylish officer's uniform, but later she will don a full set of armor."

I know the devs already confirmed she would have armor but there go.

Don't bother all the nay sayers will ignore it or say that's only becuase they whined for it.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

V-rex wrote...

Okay, new page and new Ash:



Can I just say for the record that while it does share the same basic problems as the other outfit, I actually kind of like the CE outfit? If only for the fact that the colors seem to scream 'Ashley' a bit more and because the dark pants look better then the white ones?

That said, I will make her wear armor once I get the chance.

I prefer the CE version over the blue one, for sure. 

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Anderson's an ADMIRAL. When was the last time yous aw an Admiral on teh front lines? he should be at the helm of a ship somewhere not in the dirt getting shot at.

The ME3 demo.

And in the picture in the article I quoted. I'm not talking about his alliance officer's uniform. I was talking about the one pictured in that article. The one that doesn't look out of place on the battlefield...

[MisterJB]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Yet... Vega's is something that most marines actually wear when not in their combat gear. His is believable. Sure, it's tight and shows off his assests... but he isn't fighting in it, and was never intended to. 

He also wasn't in the previous two games and so his look is new... if he didn't have armor at all, I wouldn't care all that much b/c I have nothing to compare it to. 

Ash's look is pretty much the complete opposite of what I think of when I think of her. 

Ashley will get some armor (hopefully not that we have to pay for) ONLY b/c we b!tched about that look. I'm 99% sure that was her armor. 

Anyway, that article is more right than it is wrong. 

I have a feeling that if I try to argue regarding wether or not her new casual look is OOC with a casual from the Ashley thread, I will loose. Right, here goes nothing...
The way I see it, the cirscunstances between Ashley in ME1 and Ashley in ME3 have changed a lot. Back in ME1, she was new aboard the ship, serving with two of the most condecorated people in the Alliance, the organization she so desperately wanted to prove her worth to. As a result of that, we see Ashley wearing the official Alliance uniform at all times, her hair tied into a bum, etc. This is in-character for her. However, I also remember Ashley talking about mini-skirts and thigh high boots which seems to indicate that she does not have a problem with looking good when appropriate. The two are not mutually exclusive.
In ME3, unlike Vega who still wears the Alliance uniform or, at least, a personalized version of it, Ashley is not longer part of the Alliance. She has become a Spectre, she has years of combat experience under her belt, she no longer has the need to prove anything to anyone.
In this situation, I do not find it unthinkable that she wears a less formal outfit. For example, the artbook justifies her loose hair as Ashley being more confident around Shepard now that they're old acquaintances. Time passes, people change.

I do not deny that her casual outfit is meant for sex appeal. However, wether it be because they had intended all along or because the Ashley fans so rigthfully demanded it, she will not have to walk with it to battle. That, I agree, would not be Ashley.
I can justify the outfit like I did above in this post and even the fact that it has shoulder pads clearly meant for combat can be seen as a need for a Spectre to be always ready.
So, I'm not overly upset. It only bothers me somewhat when compared to the redesign Kaidan underwent and there you can clearly see the difference between his outfit and Ashley's.

[syllogi]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ranarc wrote...

I think some of you may have skipped over the last sentence of Ashley's concept art page, "...her iconic look is a stylish officer's uniform, but later she will don a full set of armor."

I know the devs already confirmed she would have armor but there go.

Don't bother all the nay sayers will ignore it or say that's only becuase they whined for it.

When I see Ashley's combat armor, and it really does look like she's as well geared as Vega or Kaidan, I'll be thrilled.

And I'll be really happy that the whiners (like me) said something.

[Complistic]

syllogi wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Ranarc wrote...

I think some of you may have skipped over the last sentence of Ashley's concept art page, "...her iconic look is a stylish officer's uniform, but later she will don a full set of armor."

I know the devs already confirmed she would have armor but there go.

Don't bother all the nay sayers will ignore it or say that's only becuase they whined for it.

When I see Ashley's combat armor, and it really does look like she's as well geared as Vega or Kaidan, I'll be thrilled.

And I'll be really happy that the whiners (like me) said something.

It looks really really good. I also like her jacket, looks very 80's scifi ish to me which they kind of got away from in ME2.

Modifié par Complistic, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:29 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

MisterJB wrote...

The way I see it, the cirscunstances between Ashley in ME1 and Ashley in ME3 have changed a lot. Back in ME1, she was new aboard the ship, serving with two of the most condecorated people in the Alliance, the organization she so desperately wanted to prove her worth to. As a result of that, we see Ashley wearing the official Alliance uniform at all times, her hair tied into a bum, etc. This is in-character for her. However, I also remember Ashley talking about mini-skirts and thigh high boots which seems to indicate that she does not have a problem with looking good when appropriate. The two are not mutually exclusive.

That's one thing... sure she might like looking like that when she's going clubbing or on a date with the commander or whatever. That's perfectly fine!!!

Problem is... it's not "appropriate" in any of the situations in ME3. It's not an appropriate look for meetings with superior officers and council memebers NOR is it appropriate for being in firefights during a war. It doesn't make sense at all.

MisterJB wrote...
In ME3, unlike Vega who still wears the Alliance uniform or, at least, a personalized version of it, Ashley is not longer part of the Alliance. She has become a Spectre, she has years of combat experience under her belt, she no longer has the need to prove anything to anyone.

Wearing armor is not saying that she is trying to prove anything to anyone. Where do you guys even get this idea? O.o 

She may have years of combat experience, but that doesn't mean she has become immune to enemy fire. 

MisterJB wrote...
I do not deny that her casual outfit is meant for sex appeal. However, wether it be because they had intended all along or because the Ashley fans so rigthfully demanded it, she will not have to walk with it to battle. That, I agree, would not be Ashley.
I can justify the outfit like I did above in this post and even the fact that it has shoulder pads clearly meant for combat can be seen as a need for a Spectre to be always ready.
So, I'm not overly upset. It only bothers me somewhat when compared to the redesign Kaidan underwent and there you can clearly see the difference between his outfit and Ashley's.

This part has already been covered in previous posts...

Kaidan needs to look like a badass marine and Ashley needs to look like eye candy obviously. That's all there is to it. 

Now let's see those armor screenshots! 

[syllogi]

Complistic wrote...

It looks really really good. I also like her jacket, looks very 80's scifi ish to me which they kind of got away from in ME2.

...Do you actually think that that concept art would be armor comparable to Vega's or Kaidan's combat armor?

We haven't seen Ashley's combat armor yet.  Casey Hudson said it would look like FemShep's armor.  Which is great.

That concept art, as combat gear, would not be great.

[MisterJB]

Complistic wrote...
It looks really really good. 

Looking at it in a better definition, I think those are just different versions of her casual outfit.
The only difference I see is that she has something covering her neck while still leaving a hole for her cleavage. And I can't even tell if it's meant to be protective or just a scarf.

Miranda's armor in the AAP2 looks heavier and she is a sentinel. Ashley is a soldier, Bioware can do better than that.

[Complistic]

syllogi wrote...

Complistic wrote...

It looks really really good. I also like her jacket, looks very 80's scifi ish to me which they kind of got away from in ME2.

...Do you actually think that that concept art would be armor comparable to Vega's or Kaidan's combat armor?

We haven't seen Ashley's combat armor yet.  Casey Hudson said it would look like FemShep's armor.  Which is great.

That concept art, as combat gear, would not be great.

No it's no where near the guy's armor and I don't expect it to be. I don't really care either because there are far more import things to waste time complaining about than weather or not Ashley has an extra inch of padding on her outfit or not. 

Modifié par Complistic, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:40 .

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Anderson's an ADMIRAL. When was the last time yous aw an Admiral on teh front lines? he should be at the helm of a ship somewhere not in the dirt getting shot at.

The ME3 demo.

And in the picture in the article I quoted. I'm not talking about his alliance officer's uniform. I was talking about the one pictured in that article. The one that doesn't look out of place on the battlefield...

Before that. Admirals do not do front line but oh you acknowledge the spontaneous combat where EVERYONE was in casual gear fighting a war, but that works for ANDERSON but no ASHLEY.

[syllogi]

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Anderson's an ADMIRAL. When was the last time yous aw an Admiral on teh front lines? he should be at the helm of a ship somewhere not in the dirt getting shot at.

The ME3 demo.

And in the picture in the article I quoted. I'm not talking about his alliance officer's uniform. I was talking about the one pictured in that article. The one that doesn't look out of place on the battlefield...

Before that. Admirals do not do front line but oh you acknowledge the spontaneous combat where EVERYONE was in casual gear fighting a war, but that works for ANDERSON but no ASHLEY.

When do I get to see concept art for Anderson's Skin Tight Boob Hole Outfit?

[ADLegend21]

syllogi wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Anderson's an ADMIRAL. When was the last time yous aw an Admiral on teh front lines? he should be at the helm of a ship somewhere not in the dirt getting shot at.

The ME3 demo.

And in the picture in the article I quoted. I'm not talking about his alliance officer's uniform. I was talking about the one pictured in that article. The one that doesn't look out of place on the battlefield...

Before that. Admirals do not do front line but oh you acknowledge the spontaneous combat where EVERYONE was in casual gear fighting a war, but that works for ANDERSON but no ASHLEY.

When do I get to see concept art for Anderson's Skin Tight Boob Hole Outfit?

Anderson's not a 28 year old woman. his youth is far behind him. but even so he's still showing of his muscles for Kahlee snaders so you have that.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

MisterJB wrote...

Complistic wrote...
It looks really really good. 

Looking at it in a better definition, I think those are just different versions of her casual outfit.
The only difference I see is that she has something covering her neck while still leaving a hole for her cleavage. And I can't even tell if it's meant to be protective or just a scarf.

Miranda's armor in the AAP2 looks heavier and she is a sentinel. Ashley is a soldier, Bioware can do better than that.

This has been confirmed to be concepts of the final version of her outfit... which is the blue one. 

Those, however look far better than the blue one and I, for one, would be happier with either of those being her casual outfit. It at least... semi-looks like something an officer would where. It's less... hooker Ash. 

[MisterJB]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

That's one thing... sure she might like looking like that when she's going clubbing or on a date with the commander or whatever. That's perfectly fine!!!

Problem is... it's not "appropriate" in any of the situations in ME3. It's not an appropriate look for meetings with superior officers and council memebers NOR is it appropriate for being in firefights during a war. It doesn't make sense at all.

She actually doesn't have superior officers in the Alliance anymore, being a Spectre and all. Anyway...
I disagree that it is not an appropriate look for meeting with, say, the Council. It does not look that bad. The only thing I would have done would be to replace the boots.
And no, it's not appropriate for the types of battle a war with the Reapers will entail. Doesn't look that bad for small skirmishes, though, provided it is made of kevlar.

Wearing armor is not saying that she is trying to prove anything to anyone. Where do you guys even get this idea?

My point was actually that not wearing the official Alliance uniform could be saying that she is no longer trying to prove anything to them. And, like I've already said, I do not consider that outfit so innapropriate for meeting with the defense commitee.

She may have years of combat experience, but that doesn't mean she has become immune to enemy fire. 

Now I'm just repeating myself. I do not expect her to fight Cerberus troopers or Brutes while wearing that.
It's a casual outfit. It's not meant to be worn on missions.

[Ryzaki]

@MisterJB : I'm not sure that's true. Spectres don't suddenly become detached to the standards of the alliance. remember that guy in ME1 who demands to be let on Shep's ship? I'm pretty sure he had superiority to Shep but Shep can exploit a loophole "I.E. this isn't alliance property ATM." so he can't check the ship out.

[ADLegend21]

all three of those outfits are casual. The two with the "boob window" were earlier concepts.

[Aurora313]

Bioware used to do awesome character designs. Then they took an arrow to the knee...