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[BaneForever]

After lurking and reading all the pages, I thought I should show my support. Really like the dialogue you guys write.

[Badpie]

I don't feel like Miranda and Ashley would get along right off the bat. They may work well together though even with tension. I feel like Ash is too blunt for Miranda's taste. Miranda prefers a more subtle, almost passive aggressive approach to things. Ash has no patience for that crap. I do feel like they would respect each other though.

As for who is tougher, it's apples and oranges. In a close fight Miranda has her biotics but Ash is a brutal tank. From a distance its anyone's guess. I never used Ash with sniper rifles, but assault rifles have more of a range and more accuracy I think than any hand pistol or some such. It may simply come down to choice of weapon.

[Dr. Doctor]

I could see them getting along after awhile. The whole Cerberus thing notwithstanding they're both passionate about their beliefs and unflinchingly loyal to the people they care about.

As for the whole fighting thing:

Normandy Armory

Ash: What's that?

Miranda: Cerberus Tactical program, it links up with the squad's weapons and helps to increase weapons efficiency.

Ash: How efficient are we talkin'?

Miranda: How does fifty percent more damage from every gun you have sound to you?

Ash: Now I'm starting to see why Shepard brings you along so much.

[ADLegend21]

Yay cooperation!

[Cossack72]

Here's a fun question (I think. I hope ):

What kind of formal wear would Ash and Miri wear? Long dress, short dress, black, red, white, etc?


IMO Miri would wear one of those long black ones. Not too revealing, but just enough skin to look amazing...and badass


Ash would probably wear the old navy blues and tennis shoes on formal military occasions, but a deep blue knee high dress on other formal occasions.

That what I imagine anyway

Modifié par Cossack72, 30 décembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[Aurora313]

Miranda? A black halter-neck, cocktail dress. Diamond earrings and necklace. Sleek high tail or straightened hair, layered.
Ashley? A light shade of blue, knee-length dress with a silver dangling chocker to match, crystal dangling earrings and hair tied in a bun or sleek high-ponytail.

[CptData]

Okay, I went through the who's better XO: Miranda or Ashley?

I tell you something. Miranda is maybe better in a lot of fields, but it doesn't come from experience but her genetical enhancements. Someone with better reflexes and a better precision while using a weapon will always win a fight. That's Miranda. It works for her. Plus she's a great tactician, maybe even a strategist.
Basically she's superior to Ashley in many things.

Miranda, however, lacks one thing that makes Ashley (or Kaidan) a better XO. She even stated it once when talking to Shepard: Shepard has a inner fire that makes others following him - something Miranda doesn't have.
I'd say, you can find that same fire in Ashley or Kaidan. It's fueled by compassion and determination: Shepard cares for his/her people, even a renegade!Shepard does. Miranda doesn't care for them - she uses her comrades at will. Maybe she'll learn one day to treat them differently than through fear ... maybe.

That's why I think, despite the fact Miranda is a powerful soldier and leader, Ashley (or Kaidan) are better XOs.

[CptData]

Badpie wrote...

I don't feel like Miranda and Ashley would get along right off the bat. They may work well together though even with tension. I feel like Ash is too blunt for Miranda's taste. Miranda prefers a more subtle, almost passive aggressive approach to things. Ash has no patience for that crap. I do feel like they would respect each other though.

As for who is tougher, it's apples and oranges. In a close fight Miranda has her biotics but Ash is a brutal tank. From a distance its anyone's guess. I never used Ash with sniper rifles, but assault rifles have more of a range and more accuracy I think than any hand pistol or some such. It may simply come down to choice of weapon.

Depends on your style. BW kinda messed things up with Ashley in ME3: in ME1 you could use her as tank (if your Shepard was more fragile) or as sniper with lots of armor and health. In ME3 she'll fill the role as sniper/soldier (high damage) and Vega takes her place as tank.
In my current playthrough I'll make her to the squad's sniper - my Shepard is a soldier this time.
It fits to her. Although she can use brutal power to take down her foes, she also can be surgeon on the battlefield. Think both roles fit to her and maybe that's one of the reasons why she's picked as Spectre. Maybe it's just that - she can use any weapon with high accuracy and efficiency.

[Deelane]

Badpie wrote...

I hope everyone had a great Christmas.  I was able to get another chapter of Untitled done.  So here it is, if you're interested.  
Chapter 20

Great chapter as always!  I love this story. Thank you, Badpie. 
Looking forward to Illos.

Um, ok... another sketch.

Modifié par Deelane, 30 décembre 2011 - 10:43 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Deelane wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I hope everyone had a great Christmas.  I was able to get another chapter of Untitled done.  So here it is, if you're interested.  
Chapter 20

Great chapter as always!  I love this story. Thank you, Badpie. 
Looking forward to Illos.

Um, ok... another sketch.

omg... your art is always amazing Deelane! XD

[AgitatedLemon]

Badpie wrote...

I don't feel like Miranda and Ashley would get along right off the bat. They may work well together though even with tension. I feel like Ash is too blunt for Miranda's taste. Miranda prefers a more subtle, almost passive aggressive approach to things. Ash has no patience for that crap. I do feel like they would respect each other though.

As for who is tougher, it's apples and oranges. In a close fight Miranda has her biotics but Ash is a brutal tank. From a distance its anyone's guess. I never used Ash with sniper rifles, but assault rifles have more of a range and more accuracy I think than any hand pistol or some such. It may simply come down to choice of weapon.

I'm more of the mindset that they'd be suspicious of eachother, if not outright hostile (Considering Horizon, if you bring along Miranda), but they could slowly cease hostilities and become associates, if not friends.

As for who's tougher in battle, that's apples to oranges, like you said. I think Miranda would win in CQC, with her biotics and oenchant for SMG's and pistols. Ashley is a purist soldier, and is likely more experienced with other weapon types (Not abiding by the "Every average joe footsoldier can use any weapons and pilot any vehicle" rule in games). In a battle with each other, though, I'd have to say Miranda would easily win, due to her biotics.

[CptData]

Wouldn't count on that, Agitated ^^

Miranda might win on the long run, but not "easily". Remember all those missions when you had to defeat biotic groups? Ashley was usually the one who took out those guys as soon as Shepard was busy doing other things. Ashley is experienced with dealing biotics. Miranda is just another biotic and not an overly powerful one (Suicidemission!). Her versatility is her strength - she doesn't rely on her biotics only.

Ashley grew to the "awesome soldier" as we know her now while being part of the Normandy's crew. She started as an ordinary grunt but became more. She has no biotics, she relies on her thick armor and skills with the gun. Guess she and Miranda are pretty much even when it comes to shooting stuff. Therefore, Ashley can hold her own against Miranda for a long time. However, Miranda might win the battle, but not that easily as you might expect: Ashley is, as I said, experienced with biotics and Miranda's biotics are not unusual like Morinth' or Samara's.

[Aurora313]

Shepard: I hear around the water-cooler that there's problems with my crew?
Ashley: Who did you hear that off?
Shepard: Doesn't matter. Source is reliable.
Ashley: Great.
Shepard: So do you want to tell me what's the problem?
Ashley: That little 'Ms Perfect' is my problem!
Shepard: Miranda? Why? I thought you two were getting along?
Ashley: Yeah, sure. Like a freaking house on fire.
Shepard: What did she do?
Ashley: Questioning ever. little. thing I say and do. It's cute the first time, now it's old. I'm the XO aren't I?
Shepard: You are, and I'll make sure that she knows it, Ash.
Ashley: Yeah, she listens to you not me.
Shepard: You know what? I used to care, but I took an arrow -
Ashley: I swear to god, if you finish that line from that stupid computer game, I will SHOOT you in both knee-caps.
Shepard: Sorry.


That took a turn for the less serious. Got into a pretty deep conversation that went on for a few hours and I forgot how it was supposed to end before the 'Arrow to the knee' line. 

Edit: Wow, crap missed a couple dozen posts.

Modifié par Aurora313, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[AgitatedLemon]

I've been of the mindset that Miranda has a steadier aim than Ashley, at least with pistols and similar weapons, since those are her focus. We know Ashley is a good soldier. Like, a really good soldier (Like, "HOLY SH*T!" levels of good), but I don't think we ever learn HOW good. I also don't think that Miranda would walk into a battle head on.

If both Ash and Miri had assault rifles, Ash would win without much of a challenge.

-Sniper Rifles... I'd give the edge to Ash, but it's a closer battle.
-Pistols, Miranda.
-SMG, Miranda. (Now that I think about it, we haven't ever seen Ash with an SMG before, have we?)
-Shotguns, Ashley.

Miranda's biotic discipline seems to be Distortion (Her power is Warp), so Ash's armor wouldn't protect her that much. Hypothetically, she could just Warp Ashley's armor and put a few shots into her, ending the battle before it really started. Of course, I doubt it would happen like that.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 30 décembre 2011 - 12:18 .

[CptData]

Slow thread is slow ... ^^

Have an Ash. I'll leave now for a birthday (not mine) - have fun *g*

[MisterJB]

If I go too off-topic, someone please tell me to shut up.
Also, that's a very good sketch, deelane.

CptData wrote...
I tell you something. Miranda is maybe better in a lot of fields, but it doesn't come from experience but her genetical enhancements. Someone with better reflexes and a better precision while using a weapon will always win a fight. That's Miranda. It works for her. Plus she's a great tactician, maybe even a strategist.
Basically she's superior to Ashley in many things.

It also comes from experience. Remember what she says during the Suicide Mission?
"You need someone who can command loyalty through experience"

Miranda, however, lacks one thing that makes Ashley (or Kaidan) a better XO. She even stated it once when talking to Shepard: Shepard has a inner fire that makes others following him - something Miranda doesn't have.
I'd say, you can find that same fire in Ashley or Kaidan. It's fueled by compassion and determination: Shepard cares for his/her people, even a renegade!Shepard does. Miranda doesn't care for them - she uses her comrades at will. Maybe she'll learn one day to treat them differently than through fear ... maybe.

Wheter or not Ashley or Kaidan have the same fire, remains to be seen. However, if they do, it does not come from compassion or determination because Miranda has those qualities too. Her determination is greater than her compassion but that does not mean she is heartless.
What you said is untrue, Miranda cares for her people. I do not deny that she treats them as expendable in the pursuit of the greater good, but that does not mean she is not hurt when she loses them. Here are a few examples:
Should Shepard try to thank her for bringing him back in Minuteman Station, she says "I just hope it was worth it. A lot of people lost their lives on that station."
When Miranda kills Wilson, one of the things she acuses him of to justify her action is killing her staff.
During the mission, she relocates the family of a crewmember to a safer planet. I would not call that leading through fear.
She expresses happiness when she finds the crew alive on the Collector Station.
When presented with an option of saving them that does not risk the mission, she has no objections. 

So yes, Miranda is cold and calculating. She cares for her people but is also capable of sacrificing them if that's what it takes.
And those are qualities of a good leader. Miranda will not risk her people senselessly; for example, she did not suggest sending the unarmed crew ahead of them in the CB to soak some enemy fire; but she will also not risk the mission for them. And, in the end, that's what everyone is there for, complete the mission. Miranda may not be good at inspiring loyalty, but she is good at getting the job done.


edit: Personally, I don't believe Miranda and Ashley could ever get along. They could develop a grudgingly respect for each other on the basis that they are both amazing women with a great belief in their ideals, but just like I doubt Ashley would ever support Cerberus, so I doubt Miranda will ever respect the Alliance.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 décembre 2011 - 05:11 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

Badpie wrote...

I hope everyone had a great Christmas.  I was able to get another chapter of Untitled done.  So here it is, if you're interested.  
Chapter 20

Loved it! I like how you have both Liara and Ash declaring their love to James T. Kirk Shepard, it makes for interesting drama, glad you didn't set it up like an excuse for some fighting between the ladies. Also you must be glad to be completely past Virmire now

Deelane wrote...

I really, really like your artstyle Deelane!  It's great!

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 30 décembre 2011 - 09:07 .

[Dr. Doctor]

On the XO front I lean towards Miranda. Ash is like my Shepard's best friend, and while that's a good thing, to me that isn't exactly the best trait for an XO. Miranda is the Spock  to Shepard's Kirk she's pragmatic and logical while Shepard's more emotional. While she might not always agree with Shepard having an opinion from a different perspective.

[ADLegend21]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On the XO front I lean towards Miranda. Ash is like my Shepard's best friend, and while that's a good thing, to me that isn't exactly the best trait for an XO. Miranda is the Spock  to Shepard's Kirk she's pragmatic and logical while Shepard's more emotional. While she might not always agree with Shepard having an opinion from a different perspective.

I like this assessment. I could see them being co-XO in a perfect world of a massive squad of the ME1&2 squaddies. at least thats how I'd do it. Neither has more authority of the other and they both run the ship when Shepard is off on ground excursions.

[Revan654]

racer700 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda would be a deadly combination.

Ever since Mass Effect 3 was announced. I was hoping I could use Miranda
and Ashley as Squad Members. Unfortunately looks like that's not going
to happen.

[Badpie]

Deelane wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I hope everyone had a great Christmas.  I was able to get another chapter of Untitled done.  So here it is, if you're interested.  
Chapter 20

Great chapter as always!  I love this story. Thank you, Badpie. 
Looking forward to Illos.

Um, ok... another sketch.

Thanks, Deelane!  And omg this sketch.  It's so Ashley to a T.  I love it so much!  You are amazing.  

[Mr. Brainheart]

Revan654 wrote...

racer700 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda would be a deadly combination.

Ever since Mass Effect 3 was announced. I was hoping I could use Miranda
and Ashley as Squad Members. Unfortunately looks like that's not going
to happen.

That was quite a dissapointing realisation for me aswell, otherwise they'd probably been my go to squad.


All this talk about Miranda and Ashley made me wonder about another squadmate...what about Jack and Ashley? How would they get along? I'm pretty sure Ashley would think of Jack as a maniac at first(not unreasonable), but as time passes, do you think they'd be friends enemies or just collegues?

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 30 décembre 2011 - 09:08 .

[alikey00]

Revan654 wrote...

racer700 wrote...

Ashley and Miranda would be a deadly combination.

Ever since Mass Effect 3 was announced. I was hoping I could use Miranda
and Ashley as Squad Members. Unfortunately looks like that's not going
to happen.

Do not lose hope 

Modifié par alikey00, 30 décembre 2011 - 09:22 .

[Badpie]

I think Jack and Ashley would eventually come to a sort of getting along place. They both say whatever the hell they mean and mean what they say. Even if it causes them to **** at each other I feel like they'd have a kind of fun with it.

I dunno. I always saw Jack and Ashley being antagonistic friends.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Badpie wrote...

Even if it causes them to **** at each other I feel like they'd have a kind of fun with it.

Oh lord, I read that so wrong....

I agree, antagonistic friends sounds right for them
Maybe they'd be friends on and off, they'll get along sometimes to the point that they grow pretty close and than something might get in the way, an inherent clash in character and pulls them apart again. I could imagine that happening.