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[alikey00]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I could see them getting along after awhile. The whole Cerberus thing notwithstanding they're both passionate about their beliefs and unflinchingly loyal to the people they care about.

As for the whole fighting thing:

Normandy Armory

Ash: What's that?

Miranda: Cerberus Tactical program, it links up with the squad's weapons and helps to increase weapons efficiency.

Ash: How efficient are we talkin'?

Miranda: How does fifty percent more damage from every gun you have sound to you?

Ash: Now I'm starting to see why Shepard brings you along so much.

VERY FUNNY!!!!!  

[CptData]

MisterJB wrote...
...

I know you're just trying to protect Miranda. Don't worry - I like her. I just think she's not the best choice for an XO if Ashley is around.
You said she's not cold and heartless. Maybe. Sometimes she shows that she cares for people. But for every person she cares for she also does something that negates it entirely. Miranda values people only by their usefulness - which is sad. Maybe she learns that she should care for EVERYONE and not just for "useful" people as long as she's with Shepard, but before that point, she was pretty much feared by her staff.

Dr. Doctor wrote...

On the XO front I lean towards Miranda. Ash is like my Shepard's best friend, and while that's a good thing, to me that isn't exactly the best trait for an XO. Miranda is the Spock  to Shepard's Kirk she's pragmatic and logical while Shepard's more emotional. While she might not always agree with Shepard having an opinion from a different perspective.

Makes sense in some way (read: in your canon).
I like to have Ash as my XO - even if Miranda is around. Most likely because Ashley speaks her mind, even when emotionally attached to Shepard. An XO should never follow blindly his or her CO - think Ash showed more than once when she was not okay with Shepard's actions. At least she told him what she thinks about a given situation.

I can see same thing for Miranda.
But as I said, since Miranda seems to care less for her people, she's not the best option. At least not for "my canon". ^^


Good night Ashley:

Modifié par CptData, 30 décembre 2011 - 11:14 .

[alikey00]

Well, both have defects and virtues, but more virtues. nobody is perfect
NICE IMAGE.

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm curious to see how the friendship path between Shepard and Ash works out in ME3. I like her romance, but not all of my Shepards romanced her in ME1:

Ash: So I take it that you and Lawson are an item.

Shepard: What makes you say that?

Ash: With all do respect Skipper, whenever you get an email or a comm call from her you walk around the ship with this goofy grin on your face for days.

Shepard: No I don't

Ash: Yes you do, I'm pretty sure you'd be running down the halls for joy if you wern't the CO.

Shepard: Ash.

Ash: Yes Skipper?

Shepard: I hate you.

Ash: (laughs) 'Course you do.

[ADLegend21]

@Data: even though you're gone I'v egot to say, Miranda doens't blindly follow anyone. She even cut the Illusive man off and he was responsible for protecting her from her father her wntire adult life.
Both speak their minds and need their loyalty earned.

[YouthCultureForever]

I think deep down everyone loves the potential drama that Ashley and Miranda's first substantial on screen apperance together could entail. Really, who doesn't like drama? Being sweet is boring. Cooperation, to an extent, is boring. There's my unsolicited opinion on Ash and Miranda's direction in ME3.

Picks up where last dialogue ended.

Ashley: Everyone else might buy this courteous, self deprecating crap, but I don't. Exactly what do you think you're going to accomplish by indulging in some Margaret Thatcher meets Octop*ssy fantasy? You're going to prove yourself the better leader, the better woman?

Miranda: *Glares*

Ashley: You think a few confused months in Cerberus' clutches can - -

Miranda: - - Compete with your past? You mean a short string of superficial banters and tepid flirtations cushioned by a single anxious, terror fueled night together?  A puny affair obliterated after your first professional difference of opinion? That's your history isn't it? Spellbinding tale.

Ashley: *Glares*

And that's all I've got right now. Gotta pick this up again later. And I'd love it if a few of you guys temporarily joined the darkside. Someone has to have one tense dialogue between these two stowed away. If not, I'll make it my goal to get one of you boy wonders to take a walk on the wildside. It's all in good fun.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 31 décembre 2011 - 03:04 .

[Aurora313]

Ashley: So, let me get this straight, you're going to a fancy-dress party -
Shepard: Yes.
Ashley: For a mission to act as some important VIP's bodyguard.
Shepard: And?
Ashley: And you're taking Lawson with you?
Shepard: Right.
Ashley: ... You don't think I don't have a problem with that?
Shepard: You hate cocktail parties, and you hate wearing dresses.
Ashley: So you thought to bring the human manique instead?
Shepard: What? You want to come?
Ashley: I don't like cocktail events, but you could have asked me first!
Shepard: *Angry/frustrated yelling* Alright fine! Do you want to come?
Ashley: *same tone as him* Yes!
Shepard: Do you have a dress?
Ashley: Yes!
Shepard: Well hurry up and get changed!
Ashley: Fine I will! Tell Lawson to forgot about it!
Shepard: I will!
Ashley: Fine!
Shepard: Good!
Ashley: Good!!
Shepard: ...
Ashley: ...
Shepard: ... I see what you did there.
Ashley:

Modifié par Aurora313, 31 décembre 2011 - 12:56 .

[ADLegend21]

what did she do there? besides insult Miranda?

[Aurora313]

Managed to convince shepard to let her come instead of Miranda

[alikey00]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'm curious to see how the friendship path between Shepard and Ash works out in ME3. I like her romance, but not all of my Shepards romanced her in ME1:

Ash: So I take it that you and Lawson are an item.

Shepard: What makes you say that?

Ash: With all do respect Skipper, whenever you get an email or a comm call from her you walk around the ship with this goofy grin on your face for days.

Shepard: No I don't

Ash: Yes you do, I'm pretty sure you'd be running down the halls for joy if you wern't the CO.

Shepard: Ash.

Ash: Yes Skipper?

Shepard: I hate you.

Ash: (laughs) 'Course you do.

It's very very good dialogue 

[YouthCultureForever]

Aurora313 wrote...

Ashley: So, let me get this straight, you're going to a fancy-dress party -
Shepard: Yes.
Ashley: For a mission to act as some important VIP's bodyguard.
Shepard: And?
Ashley: And you're taking Lawson with you?
Shepard: Right.
Ashley: ... You don't think I don't have a problem with that?
Shepard: You hate cocktail parties, and you hate wearing dresses.
Ashley: So you thought to bring the human manique instead?
Shepard: What? You want to come?
Ashley: I don't like cocktail events, but you could have asked me first!
Shepard: *Angry/frustrated yelling* Alright fine! Do you want to come?
Ashley: *same tone as him* Yes!
Shepard: Do you have a dress?
Ashley: Yes!
Shepard: Well hurry up and get changed!
Ashley: Fine I will! Tell Lawson to forgot about it!
Shepard: I will!
Ashley: Fine!
Shepard: Good!
Ashley: Good!!
Shepard: ...
Ashley: ...
Shepard: ... I see what you did there.
Ashley:

Hey, I liked it. Has someone perhaps decided to walk the Demon Path with me?
 
And I didn't catch an insult. I thought it was rather tame. Very nice banter though.

[Aurora313]

I don't know anything about the 'Demon Path' but I was just a little bored. My brain's a little dry at the moment. New Years celebrations and all. I guess the premise for that is, Ashley wasn't romanced in 1, just friendship, and now Miri and Ash and fighting for Shepard's affection.

[YouthCultureForever]

Aurora313 wrote...

I don't know anything about the 'Demon Path' but I was just a little bored. My brain's a little dry at the moment. New Years celebrations and all. I guess the premise for that is, Ashley wasn't romanced in 1, just friendship, and now Miri and Ash and fighting for Shepard's affection.

Oh, come on. Detour from Lover's Lane and take a stroll down Conflict Avenue. Write a one shot and see how it feels.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 31 décembre 2011 - 02:55 .

[Aurora313]

Nah - cause I feel really bad when I go that way. Plus, that's what I have my Roxanna for, and she's on the shelf at the moment.

[YouthCultureForever]

Aurora313 wrote...

Nah - cause I feel really bad when I go that way. Plus, that's what I have my Roxanna for, and she's on the shelf at the moment.

But you've fortuitously come to this fork in the road. Go ahead, take the path less traveled. Unleash that force of creative catty drama simmering under the surface of your last dialogue. This is your chance to experiment. I know you have it in you.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 31 décembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[Badpie]

This may be the unpopular opinion here, but I think Miranda is more cut out for second in command. She's less reactionary than Ash. Miranda is always thinking, always calculating and she seems to have a very black and white notion of things. She can be counted on to make cold, logical decisions.

It's not that I don't think Ash would be great at the job. She would. She's smart, she's forceful, she doesn't take crap and she knows how to take initiative. But I feel like she fills the role because she has to, not because she's a natural at something like it, whereas Miranda was kind of groomed over the years for this exact thing.

[Aurora313]

I'd say that Ash is more suited to acting as a secondary Field Commander, than XO. She wasn't made a SpecTRe for nothing, she has skill in leading troops into battle and she has had command of the Normandy for a while, but I agree with Badpie on some level. It's not a role she would very much enjoy...

Also, it would seem to the casual observer more like she was there because of the Shepley business, not because she's earned it. It would appear to be an act of favourtism than anything else.

@youthculture

See, unfortunately, It boils down my aligment called Chronic laziness.

In short, I couldn't be bothered to.

Modifié par Aurora313, 31 décembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[Badpie]

Ah yes. See that's a different role. Ash would be much better leading the troops than Miranda. She's been in the trenches with them, she knows soldiers and how they work.

Miranda is more the make big decisions from afar type of person.

[MisterJB]

CptData wrote...
You said she's not cold and heartless.

Correction. I said that she is cold but she is not heartless.

Sometimes she shows that she cares for people. But for every person she cares for she also does something that negates it entirely.

A person may care about someone but still consider that someone as expendable in the pursuit of a certain goal, in this case, the survival of the human race. That does not negate the fact that the person does care for that someone. The two are not mutually exclusive.
 

  before that point, she was pretty much feared by her staff.

What makes you think that?

But as I said, since Miranda seems to care less for her people, she's not the best option.

A leader who doesn't care about the people under his responsability is no true leader. But a leader who cares too much and jeopardizes the mission for the sake of his people also has no business in a position of leadership.

YouthCultureForever wrote...

Picks up where last dialogue ended.

Ashley: Everyone else might buy this courteous, self deprecating crap, but I don't. Exactly what do you think you're going to accomplish by indulging in some Margaret Thatcher meets Octop*ssy fantasy? You're going to prove yourself the better leader, the better woman?

Miranda: *Glares*

Ashley: You think a few confused months in Cerberus' clutches can - -

Miranda: - - Compete with your past? You mean a short string of superficial banters and tepid flirations cushioned by a single anxious, terror fueled night together?  A puny affair obliterated after your first professional difference of opinion? That's your history isn't it? Spellbinding tale.

Ashley: *Glares*

Very good.

Modifié par MisterJB, 31 décembre 2011 - 02:16 .

[Sylvianus]

Deelane wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I hope everyone had a great Christmas.  I was able to get another chapter of Untitled done.  So here it is, if you're interested.  
Chapter 20

Great chapter as always!  I love this story. Thank you, Badpie. 
Looking forward to Illos.

Um, ok... another sketch.

Awesome ! Thanks

[YouthCultureForever]

I appreciate Miranda's hyperawareness, but it's her lack of concern for the human element that makes me nervous. In a Do or Die situation is she really the person you want at your side? If you're not essential to the mission is she going to hold to a No One Left Behind mentality? I don't think so, but I believe Ashley would. Miranda was engineered for the position, but I feel Ashley has the true heart of a leader and once out of Shepard's shadow could blossom into an exemplary Captain.

[Badpie]

Saying that someone can be cold isn't necessarily a bad thing in Miranda's line of work. Personally I think she's just fine, but her work definitely requires a certain amount of coolness and efficient detachment.

I don't think any of her staff were afraid of her. They might have been intimidated by her cool nature and her brilliance if anything, but I don't think anyone lived in fear of Miranda Lawson.

I do agree that Ashley, given the right opportuny would make an exceptional leader.  And I think what you say about having real heart has something to do with that.  That probably is an advantage over Miranda.  Or a hindrance.  I guess it's how you look at it.

Modifié par Badpie, 31 décembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[MisterJB]

Speaking on behalf of pragmatism, sometimes sacrifices are necessary. That's just the way it is.

With that being said, I do believe Miranda could stand to learn how to take small risks. Shepard coming back with the crew to ensure their survival would be a terrible decision but in a group of 12, surely there is someone we can spare to help them.

[Ryzaki]

Honestly yes sometimes people do have to be left behind.

Being someone who happens to like living though. I'd much rather follow a paragon Shepard than Miranda anyday.

Paragon Shep also has the benefit of still being able to get the job done too.

But working for Cerberus Miranda would be far more beneficial to the organization than a paragon Shep. Paragon Shep probably would go "WTF" 10 minutes into the operation before blowing everyone's hard work out the water because his morality won't let him let the operation continue. Miranda will realize some things have to be done morally grey or not and keep said operation going and end up with something that would most likely end up beneficial in the end.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 décembre 2011 - 02:36 .