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[Telemachus78]

ADLegend21 wrote...

we have to remember the demo is a default playthrough so no romances with anyone, so I'm guesnig an unromanced VS will be saying "I used to" or who knows, both versions of the VS will say "I used to" but it'll mean different things.

I was wondering the same thing. I hope there is a different dialouge of VS in that situation such as what if the VS had been "cheated on" hopefully will see that emotion right away.

Edited for Top page Ash:

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...0/02/ashley.jpg

Modifié par Telemachus78, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .

[ADLegend21]

well we might not have spoken to Ashley while being in protective custody. She's off gtting promoted to Commander and Shepard's just chilling with Vega (her new friend haha)

[Mr. Brainheart]

The "I used to" Is fitting either way though. She can mean it as in "I used to know him/her but I don't know/understand him/her anymore." or in a melancholic way, a sigh of how she had spend time with Shepard and now not anymore. In a way a wish to be together again.
If she knows of the cheating though, another facial expression may indeed be in order. A bit like the ToP Ash you provided Telemachus

Shepard needs a different expression too when he sees her looking that mad...Something like:
*don't look at her, don't look at her, don't look at her, Oh damn, looking at her, looking at her, what do I do*

[Telemachus78]

True, it makes me wonder how they can renew their relationship after only one face to face conversation in 3 years. It would be like starting all over again.

[Mr. Brainheart]

indeed, it has to be a bit awkward, leaving each other for years, than meeting again only to have a row and than getting back into the action together without a chance to catch up and make up. You never know though, maybe they'll feel like they don't have time for starting over again when they can die any moment and so can every species in the galaxy.

Very interested to see what the first conversation will be like, emotional or a bit flat? tears, shouts or something in the middle?

[Telemachus78]

Yeah, only 3 months to go to see how it goes. lol
I feel like I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Modifié par Telemachus78, 02 janvier 2012 - 11:32 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

Indeed! hopefully we'll all be thinking Ashley was worth the wait by then, well she already is really.

Oh hello, Shepard is daydreaming again:

By LadyLionheart

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 02 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[CptData]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

indeed, it has to be a bit awkward, leaving each other for years, than meeting again only to have a row and than getting back into the action together without a chance to catch up and make up. You never know though, maybe they'll feel like they don't have time for starting over again when they can die any moment and so can every species in the galaxy.

Very interested to see what the first conversation will be like, emotional or a bit flat? tears, shouts or something in the middle?

They won't go back in action without some build up first. Also I think it won't get reduced to one single conversation - it may be an issue for a large part of the game until you get "your" Ashley back.
It would feel far more realistic that way.

And to be honest: I want it that way. The most impressive and amazing part of a relationship is the beginning.

[Telemachus78]

I am really starting to believe ME3 is going to top ME1 and ME2 combined. Hopefully because there is a whole lot of Ash and Shep.

Modifié par Telemachus78, 03 janvier 2012 - 12:17 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

@Data; I'd say that's the most likely thing and it'd be fine that way, but at the same time, more than ever must they realise how it could all end any minute. That must do something to you, it might for instance strengthen your feelings towards one and another and that you can't take the risk of working up to a relationship again. Depending on how evident distress and fragility is on the ship and how aware they are of what they face, I feel one or the other makes sense, not both.

@Tele; My thoughts on ME3 are that it's probably not going to surpass me1 and 2 by a mile, but possibly slightly. If you'd take every segment apart and study it individually I'd probably find quite a few things to complain about, but put it all together it's probably going to be a great experience.

[CptData]

Speaking of Ashley ...


For more tender Shepley moments in ME3.

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Data; I'd say that's the most likely thing and it'd be fine that way, but at the same time, more than ever must they realise how it could all end any minute. That must do something to you, it might for instance strengthen your feelings towards one and another and that you can't take the risk of working up to a relationship again. Depending on how evident distress and fragility is on the ship and how aware they are of what they face, I feel one or the other makes sense, not both.

The worst thing you can do in any relationship is to rush things. Even if you going to die tomorrow, you still need to keep in mind that girl (or boy) in front of you wants more than physical action.
I think Ashley and Shepard need some time to sort things out, even if they could die every moment. I asume there is still some distrust between both, more from Ashley's side: is Shepard really Shepard? And is he loyal towards the Alliance?
They need time. They won't rush things. And I'm going to enjoy that ...

Modifié par CptData, 03 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

CptData wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

No, I don't think it checks for the gender of Shepard in the romance, it checks to see if you've completed enough of the romance markers... otherwise it wouldn't let the Ash talk to Shepard like they romanced each other in ME1. B/c that is exactly what happens when you change the values in gibbed. 

*shrug*

w/e, just trying to give alternate opportunity in case someone wanted it. 

Nop. Thing is that: ME doesn't check if you hacked your savegame I think. Importing is something different - at least there the importer can check some of the more important values.

So if BW adds a routine that checks for gender + romances they easily can find out if something is wrong.
In worst case there are some dialogues missing for a S/S romance since they're not always identically. Also it could be possible some dialogues don't make any sense - like Ashley talking about having children with Shepard while Shepard is female (yes, I ignore the fact you can adopt kids).
As I said, in worst case your playthrough will be bugged in ME3 since dialogues are missing. In best case everything works fine, but I doubt it'll do.

Whatever - if the importer does -not- check for that and simply allows fem!Shep & Ashley ... dunno. Was it possible to import such gibbed savegame into ME2? What happened at Horizon?

There was no save game editor for ME1, at least not one like the gibbed editor for ME2. So idk how it would work.

But if you change the values for the romance for ME2. Ash likes exactly like she does with a romanced DudeShep on horizon, you get the "I loved you" lines and the hug.

[Ashley_SR2]

CptData wrote...

Speaking of Ashley ...


For more tender Shepley moments in ME3.

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Data; I'd say that's the most likely thing and it'd be fine that way, but at the same time, more than ever must they realise how it could all end any minute. That must do something to you, it might for instance strengthen your feelings towards one and another and that you can't take the risk of working up to a relationship again. Depending on how evident distress and fragility is on the ship and how aware they are of what they face, I feel one or the other makes sense, not both.

The worst thing you can do in any relationship is to rush things. Even if you going to die tomorrow, you still need to keep in mind that girl (or boy) in front of you wants more than physical action.
I think Ashley and Shepard need some time to sort things out, even if they could die every moment. I asume there is still some distrust between both, more from Ashley's side: is Shepard really Shepard? And is he loyal towards the Alliance?
They need time. They won't rush things. And I'm going to enjoy that ...

Speaking of rushing things, how are you playing your first ME3 playthrough? Doing anything you can to keep Ashley safe and progress the romance? Or just playing the way you like and hoping for the best?

[ADLegend21]

it depends really, for saving Ashley, the first time someone dies she's stayong on the ship. My Shepard's pride themselves on getting people out alive and if they feel they can't do that then Ashley's staying on the SR-2b.

[CptData]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

Speaking of rushing things, how are you playing your first ME3 playthrough? Doing anything you can to keep Ashley safe and progress the romance? Or just playing the way you like and hoping for the best?

Without giving anything away (from the spoilers): I'll make sure Ashley will see her happy end with Shepard. I try to make the best of it, do every single mission, sacrifice as less as possible, play Co-op - just to achieve an ending that satifies all three - Shepard, Ashley and the player (me).

Think I needed 40+ hours for first playthrough in ME1 and also needed 50+ hours for first playthrough in ME2, doing every single mission I was aware of. No need to rush things in ME3. From what I heard, ME3 will have a similar length as ME2, just far less recruiting missions.

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

There was no save game editor for ME1, at least not one like the gibbed editor for ME2. So idk how it would work.

But
if you change the values for the romance for ME2. Ash likes exactly
like she does with a romanced DudeShep on horizon, you get the "I loved
you" lines and the hug.

Now, at least it was possible to romance Ash as fem!Shep in ME1 by altering some stuff. Dunno if it was Shepard's gender once the romance was flagged or so - can't tell you. I don't know if you can import such modified game into ME2.

In ME2 you might receive the hug and the photo on your desk displays Ashley, but you can't be sure if things still work in ME3. ME2 had no real dialogue between Ash and Shepard - the Horizon moment and the letter were too generic.

In ME3 we'll face a full set of dialogues, most likely including addressing Ashley by her name. Since a S/S romance with Ash was never intended, Shepard could address her at some point either as "Kaidan" or fem!Shep's voice turns into male!Shep's voice ... bugs like that. It will destroy the feeling of that romance and always will remind you that it's just a "cheated" romance but nothing the Devs had in mind.

That argument will become invalid as soon as it's confirmed Ashley can be romanced by both genders.

Modifié par CptData, 03 janvier 2012 - 10:45 .

[Aurora313]

Ashley: The Reapers are coming through the Charon Relay en masse.
Shepard: And they're blowing right past pluto's defences like it was nothing. Why am I not surprised?
Pierce: You know, I have to ask...
Ashley: ... are you going to keep up in suspense?
Pierce: Did they ever decide if Pluto was a planet or not?
Shepard: Yeah, that debate's been going back and fourth for the last century. I think last year it was considered a 'Dwarf planet'. And by 'last year', I mean in my terms. So, 2183.
Ashley: So, three years ago. I think it's changed back to just a 'planet' now.
Shepard: And the debate still rages?
Ashley: It's not surprising really, considering the ego of most of the scientist we met. They like being proven right, not wrong.
James: Doesn't matter now.
Ashley: Pardon?
Shepard: Saying who to the what, now?
Pierce: 'cuse me?
James: The Reapers just blew it up.
Ashley: Really?
Pierce: They really did.
Ashley: I'm surprised they even bothered...

*All stare at the debris in silence.*

Pierce: No great loss.
Shepard: *shrugs* Boring planet, anyway.

*James, Ash and Pierce murmur in agreement.*

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 janvier 2012 - 12:06 .

[CptData]

Hey Aurora, did you read that one - Non-spoiler endgame dialogue?

And poor Pluto. That little planet deserves better than getting blown up by the Reapers ... ^^

Ashley: So much for Pluto. Anything else?
Pierce: Yeah. Lets hope they don't blow up Luna.
Shepard: I bet they're going to throw our Moon at Earth if they can't stomp out any resistance.
Pierce: Know what, John? You're a real downer.
Ashley: Indeed, he is.
Shepard: Sorry you two.
Vega: Errhem.
Shepard: You too, bro. You too.

[Aurora313]

I saw it, read it. Gosh, it was a bit of a downer. Good, but a downer.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

I saw it, read it. Gosh, it was a bit of a downer. Good, but a downer.

Sometimes I need that.
Clears up my own mind and makes me wanting ME3 even more. Just to prevent such scenario ^^
Ashley deserves a happy future with Shepard, not a sad one alone without him

[Mr. Brainheart]

Ahh Pluto is really having a rough time, first they demote it from planet to something smaller and than apparantly we reïnstate it as planet and now the Reapers blow it up, possibly because they hate people using the term planet for it!

@Data; I personally like a slower build up to a relationship too but it's not a requirement for a relationship to work, not right of the bat anyway. They could feel so pressured that they 'decide' to see each other as they always saw each other on the SR-1, atleast the very basis of who they are. There would then be time to discover what they no longer understand of eachother after the war with the reapers is over.

In all this time they haven't changed beyond recognition afterall. A fast rebuild of a relationship is possible, especially in such times of war I'd imagine. If it would be recommendable is another question. But looking at the structure of the games, it's highly likely that a slow rebuild fits better to the game, which I really don't mind.


My first playthrough (my canon MaleShep) will be thorough, doing just about every sidemission probably. I'll try and keep Ash alive, but if a huge sacrifice needs to be made, to keep her alive..he'd go for the most practical solution: sacrifice Ashley. I think that atleast, but once I'm ingame everything could change.

[Aurora313]

Lol. I know brain. And I know I wrote it, but I just love how casually they all brush it off. I mean, seriously who cares about Pluto? Sure, he did good as a messenger of the gods, but as a planet, he's not in the best luck.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Aurora313 wrote...

Lol. I know brain. And I know I wrote it, but I just love how casually they all brush it off. I mean, seriously who cares about Pluto? Sure, he did good as a messenger of the gods, but as a planet, he's not in the best luck.

 It sucks to be Pluto. Still not as bad as being Uranus, suffering through bad jokes all of its life.
Ashley: Shepard I received news from Joker! Reapers are destroying Uranus!
Shepard: Lol, no they're not!
Ashley: Stick with the cheesy lines for jokes. This is far more annoying Skipper.
Shepard: What?! They aren't destroying my-
Ashley: U-r-a-n-u-s, Shepard?
Shepard: Oh crap!
Ashley:  Thank god we all have to place our faith in your capable hands

(By elektrego)

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 03 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .

[Aurora313]

At least they didn't rename it like in Futurama

Hehe.
Epic facepalm Ashley is epic.

[Aurora313]

*Some time in the past, after Sovereign's defeat.

Ashley: Can you imagine just how long it would take to build that thing?
Shepard: I'm more concerned with how long it'll take me to get full function in my arm again. I broke one bone, chipped another and then dislocated the shoulder on top of it all.... Not fun.
Ashley: Yeah, I know.
Shepard: Want to kiss it better?
Ashley: If you're lucky.
Shepard: *chuckles*
Ashley: What?
Shepard: Nah, nothing. Just a thought occurred to me. What would win, A giant Reaper, or a giant thresher maw?
Ashley: That'd be a sight to see.
Shepard: It would be.

*during the VGA Reaper vs Thresher trailer*

Shepard: CRAP! OH CRAP! OH CRAP! OH CRAP! RUNNING! RUNNING! RUNNING!!!
Ashley: SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TEMPT FATE?!?!
Shepard: DON'T START!



Aurora = 
Night guys.

Modifié par Aurora313, 03 janvier 2012 - 02:01 .

[Ashley_SR2]

What did they rename it to in Futurama? I must have missed that one!

That would be good thresher maw in-game banter, Aurora Nicely done