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[Shepard John N7-041154]

I always wondered, what planet was Ashley born on? She is a colonist.

[Ashley_SR2]

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

I always wondered, what planet was Ashley born on? She is a colonist.

There is some information on Page 1 of this thread actually. I think the image is taken from the ME1 Bioware site.

http://img202.images...8/dossier01.png

Modifié par Ashley_SR2, 03 janvier 2012 - 02:41 .

[CptData]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Data; I personally like a slower build up to a relationship too but it's not a requirement for a relationship to work, not right of the bat anyway. They could feel so pressured that they 'decide' to see each other as they always saw each other on the SR-1, atleast the very basis of who they are. There would then be time to discover what they no longer understand of eachother after the war with the reapers is over.

Hmm, you just need to keep in mind they had months of building up their relationship in ME1 (although it doesn't really feel like months). I don't think they'll have more than three months in ME3 between the invasion of Earth and the final battle.
Ash & Shepard can't simply continue their love at the point it stopped. There is some stuff to do first, mostly to convince Ashley Shepard had to do the job for Cerberus and that he did it for the galaxy. I don't know if the destruction of the Bahak system causes issues between him and Ashley - maybe yes, maybe no.

So I think they'll need at least one out of the three months to sort things out. Once any issues related with Shepard's death and Cerberus are gone, they'll continue where their old relationship ended - includes more romantic stuff and sexy times.

The main issue I have with "too much progress in too little time" comes from own experience. If you rush thing you might damage that relationship or find out your partner doesn't really fit to you. "Being IN love" is not the same as "being in a relationship". Shepard and Ashley are clearly IN love but didn't had enough time to develop a full relationship.

In all this time they haven't changed beyond recognition afterall. A fast rebuild of a relationship is possible, especially in such times of war I'd imagine. If it would be recommendable is another question. But looking at the structure of the games, it's highly likely that a slow rebuild fits better to the game, which I really don't mind.

I wouldn't say it's "too slow". Maybe there's a difference between "continue romance" and "start a new romance" but besides that, the relationship with Ash won't need the entire length of the game to build up. It's just an idea here, since I'm not allowed to go into spoilers ... ^^
Lets say Ashley's romance is going to satisfy our wishes - and it's one of the best developed secondary story arcs.

My first playthrough (my canon MaleShep) will be thorough, doing just about every sidemission probably. I'll try and keep Ash alive, but if a huge sacrifice needs to be made, to keep her alive..he'd go for the most practical solution: sacrifice Ashley. I think that atleast, but once I'm ingame everything could change.

I'm the same here. I can't sacrific an entire world to keep Ashley alive. She was already pretty much broken caused by the death of Kaidan. What do you think will she think of Shepard if he puts her over millions? He'd become a monster in her eyes.
I hope, however, that you can avoid Ashley's death entirely by doing additional missions ...

[Ashley_SR2]

CptData wrote...

The main issue I have with "too much progress in too little time" comes from own experience. If you rush thing you might damage that relationship or find out your partner doesn't really fit to you. "Being IN love" is not the same as "being in a relationship". Shepard and Ashley are clearly IN love but didn't had enough time to develop a full relationship.

In all this time they haven't changed beyond recognition afterall. A fast rebuild of a relationship is possible, especially in such times of war I'd imagine. If it would be recommendable is another question. But looking at the structure of the games, it's highly likely that a slow rebuild fits better to the game, which I really don't mind.

I wouldn't say it's "too slow". Maybe there's a difference between "continue romance" and "start a new romance" but besides that, the relationship with Ash won't need the entire length of the game to build up. It's just an idea here, since I'm not allowed to go into spoilers ... ^^
Lets say Ashley's romance is going to satisfy our wishes - and it's one of the best developed secondary story arcs.

My first playthrough (my canon MaleShep) will be thorough, doing just about every sidemission probably. I'll try and keep Ash alive, but if a huge sacrifice needs to be made, to keep her alive..he'd go for the most practical solution: sacrifice Ashley. I think that atleast, but once I'm ingame everything could change.

I'm the same here. I can't sacrific an entire world to keep Ashley alive. She was already pretty much broken caused by the death of Kaidan. What do you think will she think of Shepard if he puts her over millions? He'd become a monster in her eyes.
I hope, however, that you can avoid Ashley's death entirely by doing additional missions ...

Sounds good! If he did put her over millions of people, Shepard would just be the "socially awkward penguin" of the ME universe. I agree with you about their relationship, once Ashley sees that Shepard is still the game ol' loveable goofball and she overeacted over the Cerberus shenanigans, they will be back to their old selves.  Personally, I'm going with my usual 70% paragon first playthrough using my existing ME1 and ME2 saves followed by a complete 1-2-3 playthrough as Renegade since I haven't touched the games in a while.

What if there was an option to kiss Ashley but you had to push Udina down a flight of stairs? What would you do?

*Edit* Follow-up. You talk about moving too quickly in their relationship, but I'm curious, how much time passed after ME1 before the first Normandy was destroyed at the beginning of ME2?

Modifié par Ashley_SR2, 03 janvier 2012 - 03:44 .

[Shepard John N7-041154]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

Shepard John N7-041154 wrote...

I always wondered, what planet was Ashley born on? She is a colonist.

There is some information on Page 1 of this thread actually. I think the image is taken from the ME1 Bioware site.

http://img202.images...8/dossier01.png

Thank you for the reply.

[CptData]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

Sounds good! If he did put her over millions of people, Shepard would just be the "socially awkward penguin" of the ME universe. I agree with you about their relationship, once Ashley sees that Shepard is still the game ol' loveable goofball and she overeacted over the Cerberus shenanigans, they will be back to their old selves.  Personally, I'm going with my usual 70% paragon first playthrough using my existing ME1 and ME2 saves followed by a complete 1-2-3 playthrough as Renegade since I haven't touched the games in a while.

What if there was an option to kiss Ashley but you had to push Udina down a flight of stairs? What would you do?

*Edit* Follow-up. You talk about moving too quickly in their relationship, but I'm curious, how much time passed after ME1 before the first Normandy was destroyed at the beginning of ME2?

>90% Paragon here. I rarely use renegade options since they play out bad. Shepard looks like a d*ck in lots of those actions. Besides that, especially in ME2 it backfires if you're not >90% paragon or renegade - you can't convince Miranda/Jack and Tali/Legion to work together if not paragon / renegade enough. Worst of all: you needed 90% of ANY collected points at any given stage to convince them ...

Depends on the situation. I'd push Udina down the stairs if he points a gun at Shepard or Ashley.

Your last question: think Shepard got killed approx a month after the Battle of the Citadel. Enough time for "being in love", but not enough time to go into the "normal love" state.
I mean, I was in love with my fiancee for more than a year before it turned into "normal love". And still I feel as if we had rushed things.

[Telemachus78]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...


What if there was an option to kiss Ashley but you had to push Udina down a flight of stairs? What would you do?

*Edit* Follow-up. You talk about moving too quickly in their relationship, but I'm curious, how much time passed after ME1 before the first Normandy was destroyed at the beginning of ME2?

 
Yes, but I hope my Shep doesn't get leveled face first into a tree and I hope it's a kinect feature to push Udina down the stairs. lol

I thinks its been about 3 and half years since meeting Ashley to the start of ME3.

Modifié par Telemachus78, 03 janvier 2012 - 04:36 .

[Switish]

 

[Switish]

Hey, been reading this forum for a few months now and thought I would chime in. I want to say I absolutely love the dialogues! *cough*especially the elevator cuts *cough* Thank you guys for restoring my faith in Ash after ME2, I was so disappointed! Cant wait for ME3 ! claps all round for this thread. Continue the fab dialogues!

Uh sorry for the double post 

Modifié par Switish, 03 janvier 2012 - 04:53 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

Hey Switish, welcome!

@Data; But I agree, I just question whether they will be able to have a fully established relationship by the end of ME3. Or if they'll end up like in ME1: a passionate love and the beginning of a relationship. This depends on how fast they move, do they try to pick up where they left off or start over again? In the first scenario I think a relationship could be established, although it would be questionable how firm that relationship is. In the second scenario that's likely not the case.
Also you reminded me of the spoilers...So ehm I'm going to shut up about that now, before I get carried away.

And I hated the ME2 Paragon/Renegade system too. You suddenly can't say something pragmatic/renegade anymore because you said a lot of Paragon things. I don't understand why they thought not having the choice there was a good idea. Does anyone know if that is still going to be the same in ME3?

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 03 janvier 2012 - 09:48 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

Also this page sorely lacks Ashley:

(By f1r3storm)
Here she's peacefully blasting bad guys with her incisor...rife. Somehow that's not quite as catchy as boomstick

[CptData]

@Brain:

I hope we're going to see the beginning of a full relationship - the "in love part" should be displayed in ME3 - after all, that's the part with most progress and also the part that feels most interesting. Lets say I really enjoy acting as Shepard and feeling what he might feel when talking to Ashley. Butterflies. The knowledge that woman feels the same like you.

ME2 paragon/renegade system was bad. It punished players with a more pragmatic gaming style.

[Aurora313]

I preferred the ME1 way of doing things, where they had persuassion as a skill, not something you do by acting like a saint or a dick. Hell, if I don't get all of the paragon things, than I can maintain loyalty of my crew when they have confrontations.

[ADLegend21]

I actually like having to earn you persuasion. It got kind of silly in ME1 when my uber renegade was using paragon persuasion because I upped her skills and her morality bar was full red. It'd be like being a dick to Ashley and then still getting to romance her despite the dickishness.

[Mr. Brainheart]

That's a fair point AD, but the same goes the other way round. There are moments that I feel this Shepard needs to respond Renegade to someone, but can't. Like the moment that you want to regain loyalty of Miranda and it fits this Shepard to tell her she needs to pull herself together/renegade response, but you can't because you haven't gotten enough points.

Also it isn't a morality bar really, it's supposed to be neutral about that. Unfortunately at times it seems like they abandoned that plan and made it paragon=good renegade=bad.

[CptData]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I actually like having to earn you persuasion. It got kind of silly in ME1 when my uber renegade was using paragon persuasion because I upped her skills and her morality bar was full red. It'd be like being a dick to Ashley and then still getting to romance her despite the dickishness.

That's one of the issues. ME punishes "neutral" aka "pragmatic" players. Some paragon!decisions are plain stupid but you need to do them or you'll get renegade points. That's not much of an issue in ME1 since you need only 75% of all given paragon / renegade points to max out the skills. It backfires in ME2: to convince Miranda and Jack to work together you need to collect 90% of any paragon (or 80% renegade) points you can achieve until you reach that point. It's a relative value and that means sometimes you can't convince Jack and Miranda even with a full bar "paragon" because it represents an absolute value but not the relative value.

I think the romances shouldn't consider responses as "paragon" or "renegade" ... there should be a different bar instead, called "attraction". Every action you do with your LI raises or lowers "attraction".
Could look like this:

below 0 = "dislike"
0 - 20 = "neutral"
20 - 45 = "like" -- friendship
45 - 85 = "flirt" -- decision if friendship or romance
85 - 100 = "love" -- best friends / lovers
above 100 = "more love" -- BFF / true lovers

Maybe some of your moralty choices could have an effect on that bar. For example a totally renegade!Shepard won't earn much points in Ashley's eyes. She'll accept him as superior officer but that's it - means a 0 - 20 on the scale. A full paragon!Shepard might start above that, maybe 20 or 25 ... only few decisions are considered as "non-like" by Ashley. Like saving the Rachni.

So if you're treating Ashley like sh*t you'll receive a lot of negative attraction points. If you're nice to hear she'll get attracted more and more.

Actually, I like that idea. Too bad it kinda requires a more carved out romance arc.

[Ashley_SR2]

Definitely would need a longer arc - Plus some hints and suggestions on courses of action. At the very least, some mid-mission interaction to build up to 100 'love points'.

Modifié par Ashley_SR2, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:01 .

[CptData]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

Definitely would need a longer arc - Plus some hints and suggestions on courses of action. At the very least, some mid-mission interaction to build up to 100 'love points'.

Yup.

Seriously, I really should become one of those reboot!ME-series writers. Can't be that difficult.
Wait ... I need to move to Canada first. Uhh ... difficult. :innocent:


--- edit

Uhh since it looks as if we're not going to see any sexy scenes with Ashley ... in a reboot I'll make sure we're going to see more ME1-like scenes. :innocent:

Modifié par CptData, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:11 .

[Ashley_SR2]

Darn forum not letting me post images...

Well as long as your reboot makes it tasteful, I'm all for it! You draw better attention to the sex when it's subtle and romantic and not all raunchy.  I'm in Canada - We can trade places for a little while haha.

If you need help with the ME2 storyboard, let me know!

Modifié par Ashley_SR2, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:15 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

I like the idea too, the only problem is...they'd need a lot more time to do that.
As a side note, why would Ashley not except a renegade shep? renegade shouldn't be equal to heartless dick. I know Bioware neglects this themselves sometimes, but Ashley just as often agrees with the renegade mindset than the paragon. It'd be unfair to say a renegade can't romance Ash, since you end up with the same problem as before..

Yeah it's odd they seem to move away from sex scenes, but well, it's not like it can't be great without them. (although this means it's never gonna reach 'steamy elevator' heigths good )

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:21 .

[CptData]

Ashley_SR2 wrote...

Darn forum not letting me post images...

Well as long as your reboot makes it tasteful, I'm all for it! You draw better attention to the sex when it's subtle and romantic and not all raunchy.  I'm in Canada - We can trade places for a little while haha.

If you need help with the ME2 storyboard, let me know!

Na, I'm fine. I'm currently reworking ME1 storyboard before adding ME2 board - so everything plays out the way I like.

And the sexual content - it should be tasteful, I concur. ME1-sex scenes were tasteful. I just missed a bit of varity here, besides that, they were wonderful.

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

I like the idea too, the only problem is...they'd need a lot more time to do that.
As a side note, why would Ashley not except a renegade shep? renegade shouldn't be equal to heartless ****. I know Bioware neglects this themselves sometimes, but Ashley just as often agrees with the renegade mindset than the paragon. It'd be unfair to say a renegade can't romance Ash, since you end up with the same problem as before..

I didn't say she does not accept a renegade Shepard. However, most renegade actions make Shepard looking like a d*ck tbh. Important decisions like Council-decision or the Rachni are okay so far, but minor decisions? Most times Shepard acts mean and cruel. Doesn't fit to him that much.

Overall I think a renegade!Shepard starts with a lower standing with Ash but not below zero while a paragon!Shepard has a slightly higher standing. Both can raise the attraction bar above 100 if treating Ashley nicely.
At least in my idea

Modifié par CptData, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:21 .

[Aurora313]

Mixing things up cause I can


Ashley: *Walks in on Joker+James staring at the moniter intently.* Ok, what in hell are you cackling at?
James: *jumps* Holy sh*t!
Joker: Damn it Ash, scared the hell out of us.
Ashley: We're running from a horde of Reapers, and you guys have time to look up that kind of thing?!
Shepard: *walks in and notices the screen.* That better not be porn, Joker. If it is, I want in.
Ashley: John!
Shepard: What?
Ashley: *grumbles* God, nevermind.

Modifié par Aurora313, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:34 .

[Ashley_SR2]

And depending on how you write the next section, it could either be *bow chika bow wow* or a fight starts.

[Aurora313]

Yeah, if I write one. I really can't be botheered at the moment.

[CptData]

One last dialogue ... then I should go ... bed ... fight.
Shepard pondering if he should date Miranda or Ashley.

Shepard: Miranda ... or Ashley. Your guess?
Joker: If I were you, I would go for Ashley.
Shepard: Concur. Why would you go for her and not Miranda?
Joker: Easy. Ashley seems to be the forgiving type. Besides that, you had a romance with her, remember?
Shepard: Yes, I think you're right. "Forgiving type"?
Joker: In case you fail. In bed. You know ... ?
Shepard: No.
Joker: See. I just don't want to be the guy who tells Miranda "sorry, lovely, but I can't, my little friend is tired." She'll kill me. Ashley won't.
Shepard: I still don't get it.
Joker: *sigh*
Shepard: Seriously. I just wanna date one of them.
Joker: And if you date Miranda it'll lead to sex. Some day.
Shepard: Maybe. Same for Ashley?
Joker: Indeed. As I said, I don't want to be in your skin if your willy isn't ready with Miranda waiting ...
Shepard: Now I get it!
Joker: "Hurra." Now get lost. I have a ship to pilot.

Modifié par CptData, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:54 .