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I think the only problem Ashley would have with Liara is giving Shepard to Cerberus. there was obviously a reason Cerberus contacted Liara rather than the Virmire Surivor because they would have double crosses Cerberus and there wouldn't have been Mass Effect 2 story line.

Also can we avoid going on about Shepards? they have their own threads.


Cerberus contacted Liara because she was already actively searching for Shepard.

The VS would have been re-assigned after the destruction of the Normandy and I can't see Ashley putting her career at risk to go on what would have seemed an idiot's mission at the start. Besides that, she was grieving and probably dealing with survivor's guilt. Add to it that Ash was in no shape to find Shepard if we go by her dialogue on Horizon, so Cerberus would not have thought of her as "usable". 

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Ashley: You're ruining it!
Shepard: I am not! I'm making it better!
Ashley: John, do you even know what you're doing?!
Shepard: Apparently I do because I'm doing it.
Ashley: Uh *Speechless. Tosses her arm up in frustration* Fine! If you want to ruin it, fine!
Shepard: I can whatever I want to it, Ash! *Grabs a bottle of Choc Ice-magic* It's my damned ice-cream.
Ashley: How much chocolate do you have in that damn bowl now?
Shepard: Uh - Chocolate chips, Chocolate ice-cream, Chocolate topping and white Chocolate chips.... so, a lot.
Ashley: That's a recipe of disaster for you right there. You're gonna make yourself sick.
Shepard: This is the first time I've eaten anything aside from food rations since I woke up. It's worth it.
Ashley: When you're up all night puking your guts up, I'm just going to say 'I told you so'.
Shepard: Go for your life.

*later that night, Shepard is in the bathroom puking his guts up.*
Ashley: I said this was gonna happen. And, 'I told you so'.
Shepard: ... Still worth it.

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@Data; I like the poem, it's touching. although the last sentence sligthly bothers me, it disrupts the flow of the poem a bit for me and feels a little awkward in relation to the line above it. I'm picky when it comes to poetry though.Image IPB


Fixed the last line. Hope you like it more now. ^^


Know what guys? I need to go to bed. But feel free to check that poem. I'm not that good at that stuff, at least not in English. It fits to Shepard who's also quite bad writing such stuff. God thanks Ashley is even worse :lol:

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CptData wrote...

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Data; I like the poem, it's touching. although the last sentence sligthly bothers me, it disrupts the flow of the poem a bit for me and feels a little awkward in relation to the line above it. I'm picky when it comes to poetry though.Image IPB


Fixed the last line. Hope you like it more now. ^^


Know what guys? I need to go to bed. But feel free to check that poem. I'm not that good at that stuff, at least not in English. It fits to Shepard who's also quite bad writing such stuff. God thanks Ashley is even worse :lol:


After reading some of Jack's stuff I laughed because I tried to imagine how bad Ashley's stab at poetry would have also been. Maybe when I get a chance I'll take a stab at it ... for now, goodnight CptData! Image IPB

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Is it just me or Ashley's face is messed up in ME3?
There's just something wrong with her, maybe her eyes or mouth... she looks ugly.

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Ashley: Did you hear something?

Shepard: No. Your turn.

Ashley: Do you have a six?

Shepard: Go fish.

Ashley: Crap.

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hahahaha nice.

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Ashley: Did you hear something?

Shepard: No. Your turn.

Ashley: Do you have a six?

Shepard: Go fish.

Ashley: Crap.


Shepard needs a handlebar stache' and a monocle.


Or Ash. That'd look hilariously awesome B)

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I romanced Ash in my main mass effect 1 file then when mass effect 2 came out I was so saddned by her betrayal and her accusations that I was a traitor (seeing as we where both traitors when we stole the normandy in mass effect 1) I thought she whould be by my side after horizon then when she questioned your loyalty to the alliance I had enough for a final insult she even questioned Garrus as to why he was with me so I went back to mass effect 1 and romanced liara because honestly after the events of mass effect 1 (Saved the Council Didnt even kill Saren I found the good in him went paragon whole game saved everyone ) I thought she whould trust shep so I was really let down not to mention she talks about how shes "moved" on and she tries to act like Ive done the same when I was dead killed whole romance between us *BTW as an afterthought she looks too much like sarah palin maybe its just me who thinks that but serriously she does look like her*

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lol not that I hate her just that when she said that we have both moved on I was mad at her for thinking I had moved on I mean I was dead...not in a bar on omega getting lap dances dead. And honestly for someone shes supposed to love she goes hes a hero hi sheppard I hate you btw your a traitor ive moved on I dont trust you K bye then sends me some poetry..like that makes me feel better I whould rather of had her express any emotion at all not to mention that she had reports that I was alive and didnt even bother to look for me ? 

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

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lol not that I hate her just that when she said that we have both moved on I was mad at her for thinking I had moved on I mean I was dead...not in a bar on omega getting lap dances dead. And honestly for someone shes supposed to love she goes hes a hero hi sheppard I hate you btw your a traitor ive moved on I dont trust you K bye then sends me some poetry..like that makes me feel better I whould rather of had her express any emotion at all not to mention that she had reports that I was alive and didnt even bother to look for me ? 


She's Alliance. She goes where they tell her. Or she did. The email she sends you makes it clear she didn't mean what she said on horizon. Maybe this will make you feel better
http://fangeek.com/2...imberly-brooks/ 

second voice clip obviously :P

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yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose

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they were just icing her until the third game. If she had joined up with you in ME2 she couldn't have such a big role that she has in ME3 because she could be dead.

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ParagonForLife wrote...

yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose


If that is the way that your Shepard feels then go with it ... Ashley isn't for you. It's okay.

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I just romance all the things. I've done them all and they hall have their own pro's and con's.

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ParagonForLife wrote...

yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose


Funny. I thought that message Ashley wrote after Horizon was an attempt to open closed doors again.
You definitely should hear the reading of Kimberly Brooks - highly recommended.

And about the trust issue ... it's been discussed for a bazillion times now. Try to imagine yourself being a loyal soldier of your army. Your commanding officer and friend suddenly vanishes and returns two years later with the colors of the other team, maybe a terrorist organization. Would you trust him or her? Even if that one has good reasons for his/her doings you won't believe him.

Ashley / Kaidan weren't distrusting Shepard in ME1. They both distrusted him in ME2 since Shepard was working for Cerberus - an organization well known for its crimes. The VS and Shepard had a very brief dialogue - not enough to explain anything. And Shepard tried to recruit the VS for the mission (read: indirectly for Cerberus). Can you trust this person? I couldn't.

There's a nice debate going on in the spoiler group ... a very ... heated debate. A lot of guys still didn't get why Ashley/Kaidan reacted like they did on Horizon. Some of them are acting almost pathologically :(

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Ashley: Did you hear something?

Shepard: No. Your turn.

Ashley: Do you have a six?

Shepard: Go fish.

Ashley: Crap.

I love it hahaha :D

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ParagonForLife wrote...

yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose


Funny. I thought that message Ashley wrote after Horizon was an attempt to open closed doors again.
You definitely should hear the reading of Kimberly Brooks - highly recommended.

And about the trust issue ... it's been discussed for a bazillion times now. Try to imagine yourself being a loyal soldier of your army. Your commanding officer and friend suddenly vanishes and returns two years later with the colors of the other team, maybe a terrorist organization. Would you trust him or her? Even if that one has good reasons for his/her doings you won't believe him.

Ashley / Kaidan weren't distrusting Shepard in ME1. They both distrusted him in ME2 since Shepard was working for Cerberus - an organization well known for its crimes. The VS and Shepard had a very brief dialogue - not enough to explain anything. And Shepard tried to recruit the VS for the mission (read: indirectly for Cerberus). Can you trust this person? I couldn't.

There's a nice debate going on in the spoiler group ... a very ... heated debate. A lot of guys still didn't get why Ashley/Kaidan reacted like they did on Horizon. Some of them are acting almost pathologically :(

Exactly.

If you've played ME1's sidequests, there is an arc about Cerberus. I don't want to spoil it if you haven't played through, but you learn that this group has no morals and their experiments are always ill contrived. They make BP look responsible. Everyone on the team sees first hand that Cerberus is thoroughly evil.

Zoom forward to ME2 and the Horizon level. Now imagine how Ashley would feel after seeing her former lover or friend/commander (depending on ME1) working with this group that tortured and murdered its way to scientific progress? Hell, I'd feel betrayed. And honestly, if given the option, I would have declined joining forces with Cerberus from the beginning. You already knew that they were just waiting to betray you.

The VS apparently didn't know that Shepard was dead. At least that's the vibe I got from their conversation. They thought he/she was dead but now thinks that it was a cover or something. And due to the amazing responses Shepard gives, the situation can't be remedied.

I can see where you are coming from though. Everyone was pissed off about Horizon. I think that it was BARELY in character for the VS and Shepard's dialogue ranged from "I was in some kind of coma." to "How's it been Ash. Haven't seen you in a while." It then degraded into a boarderline sexist remark about how Ashley was letting her emotions cloud her vision. Horizon was a disaster.

I suggest reading the analysis about this. Someone wrote a huge post about the romance that cleared up a lot about it and gave some hope for the future.

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nickkcin11 wrote...

CptData wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...

yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose


Funny. I thought that message Ashley wrote after Horizon was an attempt to open closed doors again.
You definitely should hear the reading of Kimberly Brooks - highly recommended.

And about the trust issue ... it's been discussed for a bazillion times now. Try to imagine yourself being a loyal soldier of your army. Your commanding officer and friend suddenly vanishes and returns two years later with the colors of the other team, maybe a terrorist organization. Would you trust him or her? Even if that one has good reasons for his/her doings you won't believe him.

Ashley / Kaidan weren't distrusting Shepard in ME1. They both distrusted him in ME2 since Shepard was working for Cerberus - an organization well known for its crimes. The VS and Shepard had a very brief dialogue - not enough to explain anything. And Shepard tried to recruit the VS for the mission (read: indirectly for Cerberus). Can you trust this person? I couldn't.

There's a nice debate going on in the spoiler group ... a very ... heated debate. A lot of guys still didn't get why Ashley/Kaidan reacted like they did on Horizon. Some of them are acting almost pathologically :(

Exactly.

If you've played ME1's sidequests, there is an arc about Cerberus. I don't want to spoil it if you haven't played through, but you learn that this group has no morals and their experiments are always ill contrived. They make BP look responsible. Everyone on the team sees first hand that Cerberus is thoroughly evil.

Zoom forward to ME2 and the Horizon level. Now imagine how Ashley would feel after seeing her former lover or friend/commander (depending on ME1) working with this group that tortured and murdered its way to scientific progress? Hell, I'd feel betrayed. And honestly, if given the option, I would have declined joining forces with Cerberus from the beginning. You already knew that they were just waiting to betray you.

The VS apparently didn't know that Shepard was dead. At least that's the vibe I got from their conversation. They thought he/she was dead but now thinks that it was a cover or something. And due to the amazing responses Shepard gives, the situation can't be remedied.

I can see where you are coming from though. Everyone was pissed off about Horizon. I think that it was BARELY in character for the VS and Shepard's dialogue ranged from "I was in some kind of coma." to "How's it been Ash. Haven't seen you in a while." It then degraded into a boarderline sexist remark about how Ashley was letting her emotions cloud her vision. Horizon was a disaster.

I suggest reading the analysis about this. Someone wrote a huge post about the romance that cleared up a lot about it and gave some hope for the future.


+1 This  ^^^   yea thats what I meant I go hey Ash its been awhile and she goes thats all you have to say well I was technicaly dead for the past year *Fwooosh* and your working with cerberus!!! umm I was dead for a year....nothing your gonna remark about that....I wasent hurt I was Dead....Dead...oh go on ash you can keep insulting me as for the shock of seeing me with cerberus Tali trusts you as does Garrus so forgive me for expecting logic out of ash Cerberus=Pro Human Organization hates aliens hires people who hate aliens and breaks people out of prision who are in prision for killing aliens cause they hate them compared to me who has aliens on my ship and who paragoned my way into the alliance thinking that it was a good thing to have aliens on my ship I didnt expect Ash to trust cerberus I expected her to trust me and she clearly doesnt

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CptData wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...

yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose


Funny. I thought that message Ashley wrote after Horizon was an attempt to open closed doors again.
You definitely should hear the reading of Kimberly Brooks - highly recommended.

And about the trust issue ... it's been discussed for a bazillion times now. Try to imagine yourself being a loyal soldier of your army. Your commanding officer and friend suddenly vanishes and returns two years later with the colors of the other team, maybe a terrorist organization. Would you trust him or her? Even if that one has good reasons for his/her doings you won't believe him.

Ashley / Kaidan weren't distrusting Shepard in ME1. They both distrusted him in ME2 since Shepard was working for Cerberus - an organization well known for its crimes. The VS and Shepard had a very brief dialogue - not enough to explain anything. And Shepard tried to recruit the VS for the mission (read: indirectly for Cerberus). Can you trust this person? I couldn't.

There's a nice debate going on in the spoiler group ... a very ... heated debate. A lot of guys still didn't get why Ashley/Kaidan reacted like they did on Horizon. Some of them are acting almost pathologically :(


group link?

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CptData wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...

yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose


Funny. I thought that message Ashley wrote after Horizon was an attempt to open closed doors again.
You definitely should hear the reading of Kimberly Brooks - highly recommended.

And about the trust issue ... it's been discussed for a bazillion times now. Try to imagine yourself being a loyal soldier of your army. Your commanding officer and friend suddenly vanishes and returns two years later with the colors of the other team, maybe a terrorist organization. Would you trust him or her? Even if that one has good reasons for his/her doings you won't believe him.

Ashley / Kaidan weren't distrusting Shepard in ME1. They both distrusted him in ME2 since Shepard was working for Cerberus - an organization well known for its crimes. The VS and Shepard had a very brief dialogue - not enough to explain anything. And Shepard tried to recruit the VS for the mission (read: indirectly for Cerberus). Can you trust this person? I couldn't.

There's a nice debate going on in the spoiler group ... a very ... heated debate. A lot of guys still didn't get why Ashley/Kaidan reacted like they did on Horizon. Some of them are acting almost pathologically :(


If someone can give a POV on why Shepard would lose his love for Ashley on Horizon, that's okay. I have read a post where someone explained why their Shepard walked away never wanting to speak to Kaidan again and it made sense for that Shepard. That was why I originally came to the BSN ... To hear how others were RPing and to share different ways to play the game.

What threw me was how person A would say "This is how you should feel about that character/scene" and person B would counter "What? You are wrong. This is how you should feel about it" ... The game is about choices but sometimes it seems like people forget that.

I have a Shepard that walked away hating the VS while another Shepard walked away feeling hurt but still loving the VS. There is no wrong or right way to play that scene ... it all depends on the player and their Shepard. If you and by extension your Shepard requires full cooperation of the VS and therefore wants to punch the VS in the face for not following him/her ... okay.

This moment of truth came after I blew on a thread because I thought what people were saying was wacked and after I had my yucky moment, realized that I was doing the same thing ... taking a character, Ash in that instance, hostage. Not one of my better moments on the BSN. But hey, it taught me a valuable lesson.

The lesson was, when I see the same people debating the same things over and over ... From Ashley's "racism" to Liara's "stalker behavior". The same people ... over and over. That tells me that no one is really listening to what the other person says so its a waste of time. Unless you like to argue or debate. When a person shares their viewpoint and you share yours and you start to take from each other different ideas then its fun. If not ... if each person digs in their heels then I'm moving on. For me, I just like hearing and sharing different ways to see a scene and/or characters.
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PMC65 wrote...

CptData wrote...

ParagonForLife wrote...

yea but that message made me figure it was over for us in her mind I allready died once so those feelings between us died also shes allready mourned my loss so coming back into her life and expecting her to still love me was unfair I suppose


Funny. I thought that message Ashley wrote after Horizon was an attempt to open closed doors again.
You definitely should hear the reading of Kimberly Brooks - highly recommended.

And about the trust issue ... it's been discussed for a bazillion times now. Try to imagine yourself being a loyal soldier of your army. Your commanding officer and friend suddenly vanishes and returns two years later with the colors of the other team, maybe a terrorist organization. Would you trust him or her? Even if that one has good reasons for his/her doings you won't believe him.

Ashley / Kaidan weren't distrusting Shepard in ME1. They both distrusted him in ME2 since Shepard was working for Cerberus - an organization well known for its crimes. The VS and Shepard had a very brief dialogue - not enough to explain anything. And Shepard tried to recruit the VS for the mission (read: indirectly for Cerberus). Can you trust this person? I couldn't.

There's a nice debate going on in the spoiler group ... a very ... heated debate. A lot of guys still didn't get why Ashley/Kaidan reacted like they did on Horizon. Some of them are acting almost pathologically :(


If someone can give a POV on why Shepard would lose his love for Ashley on Horizon, that's okay. I have read a post where someone explained why their Shepard walked away never wanting to speak to Kaidan again and it made sense for that Shepard. That was why I originally came to the BSN ... To hear how others were RPing and to share different ways to play the game.

What threw me was how person A would say "This is how you should feel about that character/scene" and person B would counter "What? You are wrong. This is how you should feel about it" ... The game is about choices but sometimes it seems like people forget that.

I have a Shepard that walked away hating the VS while another Shepard walked away feeling hurt but still loving the VS. There is no wrong or right way to play that scene ... it all depends on the player and their Shepard. If you and by extension your Shepard requires full cooperation of the VS and therefore wants to punch the VS in the face for not following him/her ... okay.

This moment of truth came after I blew on a thread because I thought what people were saying was wacked and after I had my yucky moment, realized that I was doing the same thing ... taking a character, Ash in that instance, hostage. Not one of my better moments on the BSN. But hey, it taught me a valuable lesson.

The lesson was, when I see the same people debating the same things over and over ... From Ashley's "racism" to Liara's "stalker behavior". The same people ... over and over. That tells me that no one is really listening to what the other person says so its a waste of time. Unless you like to argue or debate. When a person shares their viewpoint and you share yours and you start to take from each other different ideas then its fun. If not ... if each person digs in their heels then I'm moving on. For me, I just like hearing and sharing different ways to see a scene and/or characters.
But that is just my opinion, no need of spreading it around. Image IPB

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ohyea man iam not saying who is better its personal prefernce iam just saying Horizon killed it for me cause honestly all I had was Garrus who I knew I could trust and when the illusive man said Ash was on horizon I was like go joker step on it we need to save ash!! i ran through whole level and iam like those collectors better not hurt her then I see her and Iam so happy then she just turns around and leaves me 

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 +1 This  ^^^   yea thats what I meant I go hey Ash its been awhile and she goes thats all you have to say well I was technicaly dead for the past year *Fwooosh* and your working with cerberus!!! umm I was dead for a year....nothing your gonna remark about that....I wasent hurt I was Dead....Dead...oh go on ash you can keep insulting me as for the shock of seeing me with cerberus Tali trusts you as does Garrus so forgive me for expecting logic out of ash Cerberus=Pro Human Organization hates aliens hires people who hate aliens and breaks people out of prision who are in prision for killing aliens cause they hate them compared to me who has aliens on my ship and who paragoned my way into the alliance thinking that it was a good thing to have aliens on my ship I didnt expect Ash to trust cerberus I expected her to trust me and she clearly doesnt


Wait, wait, wait ... first I had a hard time to read your post (missing punctuation).

Tali's & Garrus' presence is a case for itself. Garrus simply doesn't care about Cerberus. Tali seems to know those guys but can put her issues aside. They don't know enough about Cerberus while Kaidan and Ashley had plenty of time to dig their noses into files of said organization. Also they were on Horizon to find evidence Cerberus is behind those attacks. Shepard shows up - in the colors of Cerberus.

The VS could still believe Cerberus paid the Collectors to abduct colonies for whatever goals they might have - at least that's my interpretation for the entire Horizon scene. Later in the game the VS sorted things out and sent that letter (if romanced).

So in short: the VS has VERY valid reasons to believe Cerberus -is- evil. Tali and Garrus know them only as the "pro-human" organization that's doing some crimes. Given the fact half of the galaxy doesn't seem to care about crime at all (Terminus Systems? Noveria? Illium? Bekenstein? Various merc groups - even acting as prison guards and body guards?) Cerberus doesn't appear to be that bad.

So Kaidan and Ashley act human since in OUR standards such crimes are crimes and can't be tolerated. The galactic society is far more liberal in that field.


PMC: you got a point here. It's okay hating the reaction of the VS. However, you should hate that reaction of the RIGHT reasons.
Half of the guys I was talking about simply hate the VS because s/he was questioning Shepard's motivations. If that's their roleplay interpretation - okay. Then they should state it at some point.

The VS' reaction is, in my eyes, absolutely understandable.

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Ashley slugging someone would be frightening.



I'd like it to happen.