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[ADLegend21]

Same here though I think she would like to show up Shepard (male or female) a few times.

[Aurora313]

@ADL

Just be glad Rox wasn't there, she woulda had a field day.

By the way, I now this is an old statement, but did someone say they imagined Ash liking Stargate and Firefly? If they did, then I love that person. STargate Atlantis + Firefly for the win.

[Badpie]

Ashley isn't emasculating. She's just a strong woman. It intimidates any man but the man who is secure in himself. She's a confident woman who deserves a confident man (or woman I suppose - for the sake of s/s support I guess).

I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

Modifié par Badpie, 19 janvier 2012 - 06:05 .

[ParagonForLife]

Just wish they had a DLC for mass effect 2 with her in it cause you lost alot of depth with her having a 2 sentence apperance in the game I mean it feels like I got to know everyone on my crew more then I did Ash heck I know more about legion then I do about Ash just wish if not DLC maybe a chance for a side mission where you meet one of her sisters or somthing you know...but oh well too late for that

[CptData]

Badpie wrote...

Ashley isn't emasculating. She's just a strong woman. It intimidates any man but the man who is secure in himself. She's a confident woman who deserves a confident man (or woman I suppose - for the sake of s/s support I guess).

I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

True. I might not be "secure in myself" (however, did a great work raising my self-esteem since school), but I do admire Ashley's strength. She's not intimidating - she's amazing. Equal rights? Yes ma'am, Ashley haz it!!! It's kinda funny today's feminists have a tendency to fight a female quote in management and politics (which degrades women a lot!) - while Ashley doesn't need that quota. She can stand for her own, she doesn't need that kind of support. Same with most other women in ME universe; Ashley seems to be a primary example. Miranda fits here too.

And yes, you're right about second statement. Think one of the qualities I admire of Ashley is the fact she speaks her mind. She's able to see behind the "hero Shepard" - and knows s/he does mistakes. Actually, it's quite unique: most other characters basically accept Shepard's decisions and follow him/her since s/he's that "bloody icon" Miranda mentioned once.
A good commanding officer needs people in his/her command being able to speak their mind. That doesn't mean insubordination if someone questions his/her commanding officer in an official briefing. The CO accepts other opinions and may rethink his/her decision; as long as s/he can still find a decision and everyone under his/her command is accepting that decision (even if it's against their own opinion), everything is fine.

That's what Ashley does. She accepts Shepard's decisions, even if she's not supporting them. However, she speaks her mind and tells when something feels wrong for her.



@ AD: I'll check for a random dialogue. Have it:

Shepard: I'm going in! Ashley, Garrus, stay behind and help those colonists!
Garrus: Roger that.
Ashley: Aye, Skipper ... just watch your back? I have an uneasy feeling about that tower.
Shepard: It's just another tower ... I'm going to activate the subspace communication relay in a few. Maybe some Reapers will approach and we can take their group down, like we did last time.
Ashley: I know, John. Keep your eyes open for unpleasant surprises. I wish I could go with you.
Shepard: Ashley ... I'll be fine. Now help with those colonists.
Ashley: Aye-aye!

*later*

Garrus: That was the last of them. Shepard, we're done here.
Shepard: Perfect. I'm done here too. Everyone ready for evac?
Garrus: Yes. We're waiting for you.
Shepard: I'm activating the relay ... now! ... what the ... wait ... WAI- *static*
Garrus: Shepard? I lost contact - report in, Commander?
Ashley: Stay here, Garrus, I'll go for Skipper.
Garrus: We need to evac now! The Reapers will be here in a few minutes.
Ashley: And we won't leave this world without him. I'm going in.
Garrus: This is madness, Williams. You won't make it in time.
Ashley: If we lose him, we also lose the war, Garrus. I have to find Shepard.
Garrus: I see. We're doing this together - the colonists are no longer in danger. I'll contact Joker.
Ashley: Fine. Lets get Shepard out of that tower ...
Shepard: *cough* ... Shepard here ... *static* ... I'll come back. Some issues here with ... *static* ... almost killed me. Now it's dead ... *static*. Call Chakwas ...
Ashley: I'll come for you, Skipper!
Shepard: Stay where you are ... *static* ... had to blast off half of the tower. It's ... *static* ... instabil and don't know how long it's holding ... *static*. I'll be back in five.
Garrus: Understood. We'll wait here.
Ashley: Just come back, Skipper ...
Shepard: I'll always return, you know me- *static*
Ashley: Skipper? ... lost signal again.
Garrus: And I know why ... the tower is collapsing ...

[Darth Stalin]

Yeah, now I'm thinking about starting over a new game and romancing Ashley alone lol. In my previous game I went with Liara, and Miranda. Ashley looks pretty good in ME3.

[CptData]

Darth Stalin wrote...

Yeah, now I'm thinking about starting over a new game and romancing Ashley alone lol. In my previous game I went with Liara, and Miranda. Ashley looks pretty good in ME3.

That's the magic of having multiple playthroughs.
Feel welcome here. Ash is a fine character. Hope you enjoy her character as much as you seem to enjoy her new looks

[Grey34]

Darth Stalin wrote...

Yeah, now I'm thinking about starting over a new game and romancing Ashley alone lol. In my previous game I went with Liara, and Miranda. Ashley looks pretty good in ME3.

 

please do you won't regret it 

anyway hello my fellow Ashley fans, here is my today's rant. 

 i noticed on her left side of her armour is the S1 printed on it  i wonder what that stands for,  if N7 stand for special forces so S1 must have a meaning to it or is just one of those meaningless tags.  i'm a bit disappointed with the lack of Ash being shown or any footage being shown for that matter.  i'm writting book atm and i'm kinda jealus that Bioware created  someone like Ashley before i did. i especially love coming here because of the pics and Ash dialoges posts  i love that stuff even though i man lol.        

Modifié par Grey34, 19 janvier 2012 - 11:26 .

[CptData]

Ash didn't get introduced to the N7 program. I'm not sure if "S1" is meaningless. It's at least a new profession - and seems to be an upgrade to "B4". S1 could stand for "Spectre" or "Special Unit".

The N7 program is, as far as I know, a program for the best of the best - they're not only "special forces" but "ELITE special forces" - like that STG. You know, most today nations have more than one special unit. Could be the same in the Alliance.

N# = elite special forces
S# = "normal" special forces

Just an idea.

[Grey34]

CptData wrote...

Ash didn't get introduced to the N7 program. I'm not sure if "S1" is meaningless. It's at least a new profession - and seems to be an upgrade to "B4". S1 could stand for "Spectre" or "Special Unit".

The N7 program is, as far as I know, a program for the best of the best - they're not only "special forces" but "ELITE special forces" - like that STG. You know, most today nations have more than one special unit. Could be the same in the Alliance.

N# = elite special forces
S# = "normal" special forces

Just an idea.

 
 
oh i knew Ash wasn't put into N7 program soz.  which would be awesome seeing her in N7 armour but i guess  the armour she is wearing is kinda like that anway.  that was my first thought but  it didn;t make sense to have the 1 in front of it. so i think it may be special unit.

[CptData]

Yep. It's a special unit.

Wait, isn't Shepard a "navy marine" while Ashley is a "ground soldier"?
Could be another reason - N7 is a navy special unit ("N" like in "navy") while S is a regular special unit of ground forces?

I should check that ME wiki again ... ^^


Whatever. I'm fine enough Ash comes with her own profession. And as long as she's there to kick someone's sorry ass, I'll be happy.

[Funkcase]

Doesn't matter if she's N7 or not, she's a Spectre now, that pretty much means she one of the best by that alone.

[ADLegend21]

S if Iremember correctly stands for Orbital which means being in rotation for the fleet Ashley was B4 which must have meant groundside since that's all she had before the Normandy. the number is your proficiency so it's a little new to her since she's S1.

[Complistic]

ParagonForLife wrote...

Just wish they had a DLC for mass effect 2 with her in it cause you lost alot of depth with her having a 2 sentence apperance in the game I mean it feels like I got to know everyone on my crew more then I did Ash heck I know more about legion then I do about Ash just wish if not DLC maybe a chance for a side mission where you meet one of her sisters or somthing you know...but oh well too late for that

eh, I'd much rather the two of them get their feelings out in a full game then a dlc I have to pay extra for.

Modifié par Complistic, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:02 .

[LessThanKate]

Badpie wrote...

I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

I think any character that doesn't do anything and everything for the PC is in danger of getting the lashing from fans. Some seem to think that just because the character they make is the hero and most intergal part of the plot, that means the worlds of every other person has to revolve around them. Ash definetely gets that; it's not the number one reason for dislike of her, but it's there. I can't even recall anything she said or did that would qualify as true in subordination...surely there's a difference between that and just speaking her mind, right?

CptData wrote...

Darth Stalin wrote...

Yeah, now I'm thinking about starting over a new game and romancing Ashley alone lol. In my previous game I went with Liara, and Miranda. Ashley looks pretty good in ME3.

That's the magic of having multiple playthroughs.

Or multiple Shepards. Might be easier to keep track that way.

[Badpie]

LessThanKate wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

I think any character that doesn't do anything and everything for the PC is in danger of getting the lashing from fans. Some seem to think that just because the character they make is the hero and most intergal part of the plot, that means the worlds of every other person has to revolve around them. Ash definetely gets that; it's not the number one reason for dislike of her, but it's there. I can't even recall anything she said or did that would qualify as true in subordination...surely there's a difference between that and just speaking her mind, right?

Most definitely.  I never really encountered a moment in the game where I felt like she was questioning an order or anything.  Insubordination is the direct refusal to carry out an order to follow your commanding officer.  Ash never did that.  She was always at Shep's back.  The only time she ever mentioned disagreeing with any of decisions was after the fact (like when she said she thought it was a mistake to let the Rachni queen go) and she only mentioned it because Shepard asked her opinion on it.  In fact she was always seemingly hesitant to get informal or to readily speak her mind unless Shepard told her she could speak freely.  

As for anything else she says, it's no more than your other squadmates and what they say to you. 

Modifié par Badpie, 19 janvier 2012 - 08:59 .

[ADLegend21]

yeah I love having tons of Shepards. it makes th Ashmance unique with every diffrence.

[CptData]

I'm back from exercising ^^

Badpie, LessThanKate - you're both right.

Ashley never refused to carry out Shepard's orders. She might not always accept the reasons why Shepard decides for or against a certain option, but she does her job when asked.

Her opinion regarding the Rachni Queen makes sense in my eyes. No one knows about the Reapers yet. It looks as if the Rachni defended their territory and advanced into Citadel space on their own. So Ashley had a valid reason to distrust the Rachni Queen.
My Shepard didn't fully trust the Rachni Queen either but he also didn't want to be responsible for extincting an entire race. That's why he released the Rachni Queen.

Overall I think Ashley could be a fine XO. An XO that always shares the same opinion and goes for the same tactics like his/her CO is not the best one for the job. An XO that has his/her own ideas and may add some new tactics is far more helpful. And both, Ashley and Kaidan, proved to be good candidates for XO in ME3.

[Chewin]

Badpie wrote...
I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

One reason to why I dislike some companions in BW's games. And their reason for agreeing with the protagonist (even by going against their own belief so easily) is disturbing.

Pretty much only Zaeed's LM did this well.

[CroGamer002]

Chewin3 wrote...

Badpie wrote...
I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

One reason to why I dislike some companions in BW's games. And their reason for agreeing with the protagonist (even by going against their own belief so easily) is disturbing.

Pretty much only Zaeed's LM did this well.

People have too big ego to have someone to disagree with them.

When there is, he/she/it/they must be killed.

[CroGamer002]

Chewin3 wrote...

Badpie wrote...
I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

One reason to why I dislike some companions in BW's games. And their reason for agreeing with the protagonist (even by going against their own belief so easily) is disturbing.

Pretty much only Zaeed's LM did this well.

What about Jack?

She can tell you f*ck you and let that guy walk way, if you order her to kill him and not use Renegade interrupt.

[Drone223]

Mesina2 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Badpie wrote...
I think that's an accurate description of why a lot of people dislike her actually. She isn't necessarily a "yes man" to Shepard.  And I guess that's what people playing the hero in a game really want:  agreement that the hero is always right.

One reason to why I dislike some companions in BW's games. And their reason for agreeing with the protagonist (even by going against their own belief so easily) is disturbing.

Pretty much only Zaeed's LM did this well.

People have too big ego to have someone to disagree with them.

When there is, he/she/it/they must be killed.

Yep ME2 pretty much gave them that ego, hopefully ME3 will show there are some things Shepard can't handle  

[Chewin]

Mesina2 wrote...
People have too big ego to have someone to disagree with them.

When there is, he/she/it/they must be killed.

Basically whatever Shpeard does and no matter how much of an ass he is, people will follow him and admire him. He can go as far as to threaten them and crush them and they will listen to him(Legion and Tali conflict), and somehow they appear to come into an agreement.