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[CptData]

For me, I'll be happy for snuggling-time beneath the blanket: you can see Ashley's bare shoulders and Shepard's bare chest. That's enough for me - I know what happened -before- that scene or what might happen -after- fading out.

So yeah ... I want some really tender moments between Ashley and Shepard. Something that shows that Ashley is a woman and not only a soldier. And something that shows Shepard is not that "manly man" - but also someone who knows feelings and cares deeply for the one he loves.

In short: sensual, sexy, romantic ... that's Shepley in our minds, that's what BW should show in ME3. Uhh ... with exception of Aurora's idea ... *g* in that case, Shepard is pretty much destroyed and needs Ash to get better. Which is also sweet ^^

Edited on V-rex' request

Modifié par CptData, 25 janvier 2012 - 08:51 .

[MegaBadExample]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:29 .

[CptData]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:29 .

[V-rex]

Okay, going to ignore the troll and instead repost what I said the last time I saw that motivational, because it holds just as true now as it did then:

Honestly ADlegend I think that motivation is kind of pushing it, granted I get sick of the self righteous way some Garrus and Tali fans shove in our faces the fact that their favorite characters returned and ours didn't hence their's are just 'better' but frankly I think we should take the high ground and not stoop to that level.
Besides which I really hate to have to say this but Horizon WAS a mistake on the VS's part, they didn't have to come with but they could have done a better job listening, not that Shepard did a great job explaining but all the same, not great.
Thing is I LOVE Ashley in Mass Effect and while Horizon wasn't enough to qualify as a dealbreaker I have to accept the fact that it was a resoundingly negative thing, not nearly enough to make my Shepard give up on Ash but a negative thing regardless.
I can like something while also criticising it, it shouldn't have to be all or nothing.

All this kind of stuff does is just make us on the same level of immaturity and obnoxiousness as the people who brag about Gali's inclusion into Mass Effect 2 and really we should be better then that. I don't like that I have to consider myself 'against' Garrus and Tali. I LIKE Garrus and Tali, more Garrus though, and I don't see why I can't praise them for coming with me while at the same time being forgiving of Ashley for her reaction on Horizon?
Why does it have to be muturally exclusive like this? Why can't I have it both ways?

Why can I not support Team Dextro without having to condemn Team VS and why do I as a member of Team VS have to be resentful of some of my favorite characters? Yes the fans can be obnoxious but two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm just so sick of the fighting, so bloody sick of it... I remember there was a time not so long ago when we were all friendly towards each other. I could stop by and give a friendly bump to the Garrus thread and they would give the Ashley thread one back, I remember just after the release of Lair of the Shadow Broker lots of Liara fans dropped by expressing hope that we of the VS group would get similar treatment.
I could drop a post supporting Jack and could support both her and Ashley without having to pick between them. What the hell happened to those days?
Nowadays if an outsider makes a post on our thread it's usually an attempt to incite or just outright trolling. And if someone supports Garrus and Tali they HAVE to drop a line insulting us and in turn we have to adapt an all or nothing hatred towards those two characters and their entire respective fanbases. We've even started alienating our friends with this kind of attitude.

Ashley fans and Kaidan fans have managed to stay tightly packed together all this time because ever since Virmire the characters have been stuck in the same situation, on the same boat as it were. Well come Mass Effect 3, we are all in that same boat, everyone is wondering who will live or die, everyone is concerned about how their LI's are going to be resolved and everyone is wondering about the ending of the game.
Who cares about the past and petty squabbles like this? We are now all part of the same bloody club with the same basic hopes and dreams for our version of Mass Effect 3, so I guess my big question is this:
Why the Hell can we not just get along?

ADlegend understand that I mean no offence to you directly, I understand that you made that post as a sort of retaliation towards all the crap that's been pushed in our faces by the Taliarrus fanbase(s) respectively. Most of that post I made wasn't even directed at YOU as much as it is this entire situation, so please do not interpret this as a personal attack, because I do not mean it to be so.

I just think it's time to take the high road and not stoop to the haters and the troll's levels. Maybe if we do take the moral high ground and just accept the fact that no one should need to get into fights like this, others might join in. At the risk of sounding like a hippy, throwing back insults like this only widens the gap between fanbases, a gap that ought to be closed.
A united fanbase is a good fanbase, I think there can still exist debates on the boards of course but this whole 'my character is better then yours' macho BS has got to stop.
I'm sick of the widening of the gap.

Seriously though, I like you Captain Data, but I think this thread should be above juvenile 'my character tis of thee' bashing.

[CptData]

^ edited page top posting.

Yeah, I couldn't read it at the first time. Just needed a top Ash and picked a random one from google. Saw that later ... and you're right. We definitely need the same picture without lashing out against Team Dextro.

Actually, I like both, Tali & Garrus ^^

[Aurora313]

If you were looking for something tender, you could have put this up... T.T





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Modifié par Aurora313, 25 janvier 2012 - 08:58 .

[MegaBadExample]

@Data

No, you ain't a troll. Stanry roo is a troll, who's trollin' me... But he's trolling me and I'm a troll so basically... He's trollin' a troll. You get me. Eh.

Anyway back to Ash. I'm pretty sure you'll get your wish with that. Don't know about the naked bits your wanting though. I did notice that ME3 has "Partial nudity" and ME2 didn't so who knows. I just want the romance scene to have that dark vibe. I'm always going on about that lol

[Deelane]

Aurora313 wrote...

If you were looking for something tender, you could have put this up... T.T

*snip*

Nice art,  Aurora  

And a little more Shepley.

Modifié par Deelane, 25 janvier 2012 - 09:07 .

[CptData]

MegaBadExample wrote...

@Data

No, you ain't a troll. Stanry roo is a troll, who's trollin' me... But he's trolling me and I'm a troll so basically... He's trollin' a troll. You get me. Eh.

Anyway back to Ash. I'm pretty sure you'll get your wish with that. Don't know about the naked bits your wanting though. I did notice that ME3 has "Partial nudity" and ME2 didn't so who knows. I just want the romance scene to have that dark vibe. I'm always going on about that lol

Sure, but ME3 also comes with those Banshees. They still have boobs you know?


Uhh and I'm sure that "dark vibe" will be present. After all, millions die each day. The war is going badly. And this day could be the last day. That pretty much forces Ash & Shepard to get things moving. They won't rush something, but they also won't waste time.

Ashley: You know we can die tomorrow, Skipper?
Shepard: I'm dead already, remember? It doesn't matter anymore - either we can finish that job, or nothing matters at all.
Ashley: Hey, don't give up. I know you can do this. And stop stealing my job *smiles*
Shepard: What job?
Ashley: That cynical realist is my role already. You used to be quite an optimist. With awful lines to get a woman's attention *smiles even more*
Shepard: Yeah ...
Ashley: Just don't give up hope. That's all. If you give up, there's no one left saving the galaxy. I can't do it. Liara can't. Heck, even Wrex can't without your help. We're counting on you, Skipper. And you'll be always my Captain ... oh my Captain.
Shepard: *smirks* you're trying too hard to cheer me up.
Ashley: I still can't see a determined Commander Shepard, ready to kick someone's sorry ass. All I can see is a picture of misery ... with a fine ass.
Shepard: *grins* I know what you're trying.
Ashley: What am I trying then?
Shepard: Either you try to get my ass moving down to the CIC - or you have something in your mind.
Ashley: And that something is ... ?
Shepard: To get in my pants for several hours of passionate sex.
Ashley: That, Sir, was a low blow. *smiles devilishly*. So straight forward, Skip?
Shepard: As you said, we could die tomorrow.
Ashley: Not as long as you have faith. I believe in you, everyone does.
Shepard: Not helping. I'm just one man.
Ashley: With great friends. C'mon, get up.
Shepard: What if I just want to stay here, right sitting on the floor, bickering with my fate?
Ashley: Then, Sir, I'm going to shove you in the CIC. After giving you a good ol' slap in the face. Seems someone has to do it.
Shepard: You don't dare to slap your Commander ... *grins*
Ashley: You have no idea what I dare. You should get used to, Skipper: if you don't get up right now, you also don't have the balls to deal with me. And you do want to keep me, right?
Shepard: Okay, okay, you convinced me, I get up.
Ashley: Good boy. Now repeat: "I am going to defeat the Reapers. I am Commander John Shepard, Spectre of the Council, Savior of the Citadel, Hero of the Galaxy. I won't fail."
Shepard: Uhh ... right ...
Ashley: Do it!
Shepard: Awkward ... but okay: "I am going to defeat the Reapers. I am Commander John Shepard, Spectre of the Council, Savior of the Citadel, Hero of the Galaxy. I won't fail."
Ashley: Keep that in your mind. Whenever you feel beaten down, repeat it, okay?
Shepard: I'll give it a try.
Ashley: And if that doesn't help, remember our night before Ilos. If you can't fight for the galaxy, then do it for me, Skipper ...
Shepard: Mind to help me remembering that night?
Ashley: Subtile like a boot in one's face. But yeah, that's what I had in my mind, ... oh Captain, my Captain ...
Shepard: Right now I wonder what you're going to say once I'm an Admiral.
Ashley: BOOM. Another romantic moment destroyed  ...
Shepard: Sorry ... it ...
Ashley: Ah shut up, stupid. Don't say anything more except three words ... fitting that situation ...
Shepard: I love you, Ash ...
Ashley: I love you, John.

*rest is for your imagination*

[G3rman]

Going off of the Kaiden thread, any thoughts if Ash tried to meet up with another man during our absence from ME2 to ME3? She seems like a faithful woman that would have found it hard to move on, her loyalty really showed with how hard it was for her to think we were with Cerberus.

I can't see her having any relations, just a little soft spot for us in her heart as we saved the galaxy in ME2.

[Burneye Is God]

[quote]CptData wrote...

I'm a troll?

Guys, we need to cut that before it gets out of hand ...



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now that's an awesome pic

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 26 janvier 2012 - 01:04 .

[CptData]

G3rman wrote...

Going off of the Kaiden thread, any thoughts if Ash tried to meet up with another man during our absence from ME2 to ME3? She seems like a faithful woman that would have found it hard to move on, her loyalty really showed with how hard it was for her to think we were with Cerberus.

I can't see her having any relations, just a little soft spot for us in her heart as we saved the galaxy in ME2.

Even Kaidan had only a flirt, nothing serious.
Ashley needed a full year to get over Shepard's death and burried herself under tons of work. She most likely had no time to find a new love. Also lack of opportunities should have some influence too: most guys Ashley knows are military like her. I think she never violated the regulations regarding fraternization again.

So .. yeah, she IS faithful in a way she couldn't move on that easily and burried herself with work to deal with her emotions. I'd say she still loved (and desperately missed) Shepard, even two years after his death. However, she also couldn't take it her love suddenly returned and worked for Cerberus - which virtually shattered her heart.

[Aurora313]

For those who are new, there was an idea floating around a few months ago that ME2 Shepard was not ME1 Shepard, that ME2!Shepard was a clone. And I had a conversation with a fellow fan today about Shepard's cybernetics. We both concluded that he wasn't a human, but the 'perfect' human-machine hybrid, since he maintained his human form/personality/skills with the addition of all the benefits of bio-synthetic implants to improve his strengths and durability. How else is he able to brush off being tossed around by krogans, turians, even a drop from unknown heights in the collector and still have the coordination to run and even fight briefly before leaving.

To quote Saren 'The strength of both and weaknesses of neither'.This next series of dialogue follows along those lines of thinking.

Shepard: You've located a Cerberus base and you want my help to raid it?
Ashley: I think you'd be fairly interesting in which base it is.
Shepard: Ash, If I never, ever see a Cerberus base again in my lifetime. It will be FAR too soon.
Ashley: Take a look. *tosses him a data pad*
Shepard: ... I believe the words 'Not a chance in burning hellfire' applies.
Ashley: John. Please. You know the lay of the land.
Shepard: Yeah, from the gurney to the nearest shuttle. Just thinking of this place gives me nightmares Ash.
Ashley: Don't give me that, you can't look me in the eye and tell me that you're not the least bit curious about just what they did to you.
Shepard: I'm not.
Ashley: And you're lying.
Shepard: Alright, I'm lying, I want to know just how much they've... changed. But at the same time, I don't think I even want to know.
Ashley: Why not?
Shepard: While I don't believe in fate, I do believe that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. It's an absolute law of physics. What they did to me was monstrous.
Ashley: And you believe that they made an monster.
Shepard: Don't you?
Ashley: No. Labels like that are a matter of perspective. And I don't think you're a monster. *shrugs* But do I think you're having one hell of an identity crisis? Yes.
Shepard: Fine. As much as it makes me sick to my stomach, I'll suit up.
Ashley: Thank you John.
Shepard: Yeah, well, let's hurry up and go. I'm already regretting this.

Modifié par Aurora313, 25 janvier 2012 - 12:14 .

[seirhart]

Still loving Ashley, but I absolutely hate the pigtail. I'm really glad they got rid of that horrendous thing in 3. You know I've been thinking that everyone will also be a mental support for shepard, I mean I'm sure there will be times that Shepard will have second thoughts/doubting himself and others that know him will encourage him. The one person who will be really helpful on encouraging shepard will be Ashley, but Shepard has seen things that I don't think anyone should see or have happen to him/her and still be sane.

[CptData]

Nice one, Aurora. What'ya think 'bout my own dialogue above?

seirhart wrote...

Still loving Ashley, but I absolutely hate the pigtail. I'm really glad they got rid of that horrendous thing in 3. You know I've been thinking that everyone will also be a mental support for shepard, I mean I'm sure there will be times that Shepard will have second thoughts/doubting himself and others that know him will encourage him. The one person who will be really helpful on encouraging shepard will be Ashley, but Shepard has seen things that I don't think anyone should see or have happen to him/her and still be sane.

Truefax. No one goes through hell unchanged. And no one goes through hell TWICE without any damage.

I think Shepard is pretty much like Ashley in that field: he shows a tough outside, keeps the image of the unfaltering hero (paragon) or soldier (pragmatic / renegade) but his core is damaged already. It's kinda funny those scars in Shepard's face act as display of his alignment only, but not do not display the inner turmoil he's experiencing for sure.

Now if Shepard is acting tough, how does his inside look like? Devastated? Hopeless? I don't know. I think Shepard lost his hope in ME2, since most of his friends turned their back on him. I'm not sure if Shepard gains hope in ME3 again, I doubt so. He looked really devasteted when watching that kid getting killed by a Reaper. That's one of the moments when Shepard realized he has to end this, even if it takes his own life. Not for revenge or something, it's about survival.

Guess he knows there's a high chance to die long before the war is over and far away from a victory. Guess Shepard will get a screw loose or two in ME3, and maybe only his LI can fix him. In our case it's going to be Ashley, but can see it for Kaidan or Liara as well. Not sure about other, absent LIs ... but those three can be considered as true. Maybe they even act (especially Liara) as close friends in case Shepard has no LI / his/her LI is not around.

[Aurora313]

@Data. Loved it. Whatcha think of the point I raised? Loved to hear your opinion.

[Ashii6]

Deelane wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

If you were looking for something tender, you could have put this up... T.T

*snip*

Nice art,  Aurora  

And a little more Shepley.

<3
So, so awesome. Such talent

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

@Data. Loved it. Whatcha think of the point I raised? Loved to hear your opinion.

Dunno why, but that should be in the game. That or something similar. Shepard don't wanna come back to the place of his rebirth. After all, he doesn't know anything about that time - except the few minutes he had to work his way to the shuttle bay.

I think the greybox plot can be ignored for now, since there aren't any hints in the game Shepard got one (however, I like that theory). So lets say Cerberus was able to reconstruct his brain & mind entirely - I wonder if they did multiple Shepards for testing purposes - or had only this one try. Jacob said Shepard is no clone, but that doesn't mean he's right: Jacob could lie or doesn't know better. After all, he was just the station's security chief and none of the scientists working at Shepard's corpse.
Also Shepard has no idea how much of his body got replaced by implants.

Everything is possible from what we know. And same goes for Shepard.

Ashley wants to know if Shepard is Shepard - or not. Not sure if she'll stay loyal to him in case Shepard is just a clone or something worse. That entire ethical issue bugs Shepard far more than Ash, however there's a chance she might think different of him in case he's not the "original" Shepard. Including losing feelings.

So I like yours. 

[seirhart]

CptData wrote...

Nice one, Aurora. What'ya think 'bout my own dialogue above?

seirhart wrote...

Still loving Ashley, but I absolutely hate the pigtail. I'm really glad they got rid of that horrendous thing in 3. You know I've been thinking that everyone will also be a mental support for shepard, I mean I'm sure there will be times that Shepard will have second thoughts/doubting himself and others that know him will encourage him. The one person who will be really helpful on encouraging shepard will be Ashley, but Shepard has seen things that I don't think anyone should see or have happen to him/her and still be sane.

Truefax. No one goes through hell unchanged. And no one goes through hell TWICE without any damage.

I think Shepard is pretty much like Ashley in that field: he shows a tough outside, keeps the image of the unfaltering hero (paragon) or soldier (pragmatic / renegade) but his core is damaged already. It's kinda funny those scars in Shepard's face act as display of his alignment only, but not do not display the inner turmoil he's experiencing for sure.

Now if Shepard is acting tough, how does his inside look like? Devastated? Hopeless? I don't know. I think Shepard lost his hope in ME2, since most of his friends turned their back on him. I'm not sure if Shepard gains hope in ME3 again, I doubt so. He looked really devasteted when watching that kid getting killed by a Reaper. That's one of the moments when Shepard realized he has to end this, even if it takes his own life. Not for revenge or something, it's about survival.

Guess he knows there's a high chance to die long before the war is over and far away from a victory. Guess Shepard will get a screw loose or two in ME3, and maybe only his LI can fix him. In our case it's going to be Ashley, but can see it for Kaidan or Liara as well. Not sure about other, absent LIs ... but those three can be considered as true. Maybe they even act (especially Liara) as close friends in case Shepard has no LI / his/her LI is not around.

I do agree just about everyone has turned their back on him except for Tali, Garrus, and Anderson and I would even go so far as saying the original alien council if you let them live. Why do I say the Alien council is because what the asari councilor says at the end "We look forward to the time you no longer work for cereberus" Now maybe I'm reading to much into that but I got the since that the council wants shepard back and re acknowledged again.

Now I know this maybe a touchy subject for Ashley fans but if shepard without or with fan dialog choice would he seriously take Ashley back after that incident at Horizon? For me though I like Ashley my answer is no after what happened at Horizon that Shepard wouldn't take her back.

I hope we are given the chance to see or have shepard have moments of doubts/crisis - I mean losing most of his friends must hurt alot. I can just see shepard second guessing himself/everything he has done. Need to back up here, what I'm thinking sometime after the start of the game after getting the normandy everyone around shepard will notice that shepard isn't the way he used to be - you know sure of himself confidant. 

You mention that the kid dieing could be seen as shepards mental downfall I guess, but I disagree with that. What caught my attention is that when Anderson says he is going to stay behind if look at shepard you see a tired sad expression on his face as he shakes his head. That to me was a sign that the pressure is getting to him, as he is or was the only person who actually believed besides Anderson and the squadmates that the reapers are real. I also bet shepard is wondering how he will do everything because I can see right now that every decision will be left to shepard ie where to send a fleet which race to save etc.

[Aurora313]

See, I imagined it more as Ashley is trying to help him solve his identity crisis and ethical/moral dilemma. In which may provide an answer that could both cripple his resolve and destroy him completely, or free him from the internal conflict that it's caused him.

And in my opinion, when it comes to who she loves, Ash probably wouldn't care if she found out that person had been born or engineered. What I think would pose the moral dilemma is if Me2 Shepard had in fact been a clone and ME1 Shepard was still alive. That would be the problem. She'd be divided between the man she loved and the man she loves.

She's not a zealot, no, but in the extremes she might rationalise the spiritual side as God judging that Shepard's role wasn't over and that Cerberus resurrecting Shepard had been part of his greater plans.

I honestly imagine that if ME2!Shep were a clone, and he found out, the revelation would both free him and kill him. Free him because he realises that he doesn't have to be shackled to a name anymore, and even though he has the memories, he learns to consciously separate the experiences of the original from his own. But it would also kill him for the same reason, he realises that he's truly just a nameless test-subject that was constructed solely to be used as another puppet for a corrupt organisation, though he retained the will to break away from them after he decides that his work had been done.
(in my AU here, Shepard does the things he does because the memories of the first Shepard are telling him that they are the right thing to do, but a lot of the time he is second-guessing himself. I suppose ME1!Shep would be the paragon, and ME2!Shep would be the Paragade)

[wright1978]

CptData wrote...

Now if Shepard is acting tough, how does his inside look like? Devastated? Hopeless? I don't know. I think Shepard lost his hope in ME2, since most of his friends turned their back on him. I'm not sure if Shepard gains hope in ME3 again, I doubt so. He looked really devasteted when watching that kid getting killed by a Reaper. That's one of the moments when Shepard realized he has to end this, even if it takes his own life. Not for revenge or something, it's about survival.

Guess some Shepherds might have lost hope in ME2 but certainly wouldn't say that it is a given. Mine certainly didn't, he grew up and became a bit more cynical possibly.

[DayleShepard]

I really doubt that ME2 Shepard is a clone as I donht think Bioware would go down that road, it it did turn out to be true then I think that would ruin ME3 for me personally.

[CptData]

seirhart wrote...
I do agree just about everyone has turned their back on him except for Tali, Garrus, and Anderson and I would even go so far as saying the original alien council if you let them live. Why do I say the Alien council is because what the asari councilor says at the end "We look forward to the time you no longer work for cereberus" Now maybe I'm reading to much into that but I got the since that the council wants shepard back and re acknowledged again.

Even Anderson didn't fully trust Shepard. However, he tried to support him in some way and made it possible to regain the Spectre status (even if that one doesn't play a big role in ME2). Another friend is Hackett, at least he seems to trust him.

Now I know this maybe a touchy subject for Ashley fans but if shepard without or with fan dialog choice would he seriously take Ashley back after that incident at Horizon? For me though I like Ashley my answer is no after what happened at Horizon that Shepard wouldn't take her back.

Since my Shepard didn't move on in ME2, he's looking forward to have a long talk with Ashley. He wants to move on - either by ending that relationship "officially" - or by continueing it. At least in my canon Shepard knows that they simply had not enough time to talk their mind on Horizon. He burried his personal feelings under lots of work and the mission. But he's aware it's not over yet, he HAS to confront Ashley one day.

So in short: my Shepard wants confirmation if Ash still loves him or not. He wants her back, that's for sure.

I hope we are given the chance to see or have shepard have moments of doubts/crisis - I mean losing most of his friends must hurt alot. I can just see shepard second guessing himself/everything he has done. Need to back up here, what I'm thinking sometime after the start of the game after getting the normandy everyone around shepard will notice that shepard isn't the way he used to be - you know sure of himself confidant.

I hope Shepard acts differently in ME3. Less optimistic as paragon for example.
Of course, it's up to you how you see it. My Shepard is broken - not entirely, he's no wreck or something, but with every passing day he gets damaged more and more, losing hope, confidence, you name it. And that should show, and everyone should notice something. Of course, Shepard's LI, in our case Ashley, should be aware of Shepard's change too and talk to him about his feelings.

You mention that the kid dieing could be seen as shepards mental downfall I guess, but I disagree with that. What caught my attention is that when Anderson says he is going to stay behind if look at shepard you see a tired sad expression on his face as he shakes his head. That to me was a sign that the pressure is getting to him, as he is or was the only person who actually believed besides Anderson and the squadmates that the reapers are real. I also bet shepard is wondering how he will do everything because I can see right now that every decision will be left to shepard ie where to send a fleet which race to save etc.

Think we're pretty much on the same side. Shepard has the feeling he won't see Anderson again. Call it a "farewell" situation. But the real blow in that scene is the destruction of that kid's shuttle. Shepard's tough outside -was- lowered already because of Anderson's decision, but that particular event razed a great deal of that tough shell he usually wears.

He's fighting a lost war and he knows it. That's Shepard's mindset.
And he definitely needs Ashley (or any other LI) and his friends to go through hell a third time - or he'll falter.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

See, I imagined it more as Ashley is trying to help him solve his identity crisis and ethical/moral dilemma. In which may provide an answer that could both cripple his resolve and destroy him completely, or free him from the internal conflict that it's caused him.

In either way he'll be free of that trouble.

And in my opinion, when it comes to who she loves, Ash probably wouldn't care if she found out that person had been born or engineered. What I think would pose the moral dilemma is if Me2 Shepard had in fact been a clone and ME1 Shepard was still alive. That would be the problem. She'd be divided between the man she loved and the man she loves.

She's not a zealot, no, but in the extremes she might rationalise
the spiritual side as God judging that Shepard's role wasn't over and
that Cerberus resurrecting Shepard had been part of his greater plans.

I dunno if we're going to face TWO Shepards in the same playthrough. And you're right Ash won't care if Shepard is born or reconstructed (and therefore engineered). However, if she finds out the one she loves -is- a clone and the still-dead original Shepard does also exist, then she might feel betrayed in some way. Not by Shepard - but by her God.
Think she might lose faith in such scenario.

The best outcome here is: Shepard finds logfiles where they describe how to rebuild Shepard and that they used his corpse. So although he's "reborn", he's also still the same Shepard. And Ash can sort it out by belief: God sent back Shepard's soul, it wasn't his time yet. Basically, that's what you say.

I honestly imagine that if ME2!Shep were a clone, and he found out, the revelation would both free him and kill him. Free him because he realises that he doesn't have to be shackled to a name anymore, and even though he has the memories, he learns to consciously separate the experiences of the original from his own. But it would also kill him for the same reason, he realises that he's truly just a nameless test-subject that was constructed solely to be used as another puppet for a corrupt organisation, though he retained the will to break away from them after he decides that his work had been done.
(in my AU here, Shepard does the things he does because the memories of the first Shepard are telling him that they are the right thing to do, but a lot of the time he is second-guessing himself. I suppose ME1!Shep would be the paragon, and ME2!Shep would be the Paragade)

Now that's interesting:
Lets say they find either an alive ME1!Shepard or his corpse and ME2!Shepard is indeed a clone. He'll definitely run into what you say. Either he accepts that he's a clone - or he can't. In case he can't he'll either come to the conclusion he should take Shepard's position and continue his work (like he did before), or he don't wanna live anymore. In that second case he still might decide for "continue living and do Shepard's job" - and die once the job is done.

However: a Shepard that realized he's just a clone and not the original Shepard might still refuse to continue any old relationships. And I don't know if Ashley can accept him as her new love.

[Clone 071]

CptData wrote...

Now this I definitely approve of!  As for Team Dextro, heck, I fully support them. They were my bro team throughout ME2 in the second half. (Obviously not the first half.) And I definitely support what's going to happen with them in ME3 should Shepard not romance either one. Always had a feeling there. 

Moving on to the dialogues: I like both of your dialogues. I like how CptData's is similar to the events of lockdown and pre-Ilos in ME1. Heartwarming if you ask me. And Aurora's is just realistic in the sense that Shepard doesn't want to face his past. Kind of reminds me of The Lion King in a way.

Edit: Although I see where your points are coming from, I seriously doubt ME2 Shepard is a clone.

Modifié par Clone 071, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:01 .