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[Aurora313]

@Flashflame58. Good, just the result I was hoping for

[CptData]

Flashflame58 wrote...

http://social.biowar...6&poll_id=28063

75% Ash
25% Miranda

Voted for Ashley and wrote in the comments something like this:

"Ash will win, but only barely and it's going to be a tough fight. She and Miranda will survive and in the end may even become friends."

I like Miranda. Therefore - great justice for both

[Lancelot Albion]

@CptData
I see it now but even if you can weaken her I don't think it would impact her ability to tank all that much. But then again I never tried to purposefully gimp her stats. Since I relied on her to take/do most of the damage while Garrus hung back to support with his Sniper/tech skills.

I never paired both Wrex/Ash together since on my first playthrough I was an Adept and had biotics covered and was more focused on having a balanced team. I did the same thing with Zaeed as a stand in for Ashley in ME2 its a shame he was only a DLC character.

[ADLegend21]

I hate to break it but Miranda's a sentinel. No way in hell she loses to Ashley.

[CptData]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I hate to break it but Miranda's a sentinel. No way in hell she loses to Ashley.

Heavily depends on the way they're fighting. Biotics are over- and underpowered at the same time. Miranda's direct fighting skills are reduced to Pistol- and SMG-usage - Ashley can use every weapon avaiable, including heavy weapons and sniper rifles.

First of all, keep in mind biotics got gimped - they can't be used against any kind of defense anymore. Don't have the table here, but I know several biotic attacks require shields lowered. As long as Ashley can keep her shield charged, Miranda relies only on her normal firepower.

SHORT RANGE (<50m)
Miranda may win. SMGs deplete shields quickly and once they're gone, Ashley is minced meat.

MEDIUM RANGE (<150m)
Almost even fight. Ashley might win this one since range of Miranda's SMG is limited and won't take down Ashley's shields fast enough. That gives her enough time to aim and take down Miranda with either her assault or the sniper rifle.

LONG RANGE (>150m)
Hands down - Miranda will be dead. There's no way she can deplete Ashley's shields - and Ash is a crackshot. Even if Miranda can reduce that range by several dozen meters, she'd be dead in the end.


As I said, biotics are heavily overrated sometimes since they're kinda situational. Just my -very- short analysis. In any of my playthroughs I rather rely on firepower than tech skills and biotics. They come in handy, sure, but they don't decide the battle that often I'm used from ME1.
In ME1 biotics were necessary ... that's why I always had either Wrex, Kaidan or Liara in most fights.

And that's the fair analysis - without making Miri "worse than she is" or raising Ashley to "incredible awesomeness". Just stats & knowledge and how things work in ME2 / ME3. Also I'd like to add to the record Miranda died quite frequently in combat: think not even Tali got downed that often, and she has the nasty tendency to go right into the middle of the fight like Grunt. Lets ignore ME2's poor squadmate AI ... Miranda's tactic skills are more theoretical than practical - which also might turn the favor towards Ashley.

Modifié par CptData, 25 janvier 2012 - 11:58 .

[Aurora313]

Note: Standalone from Lazaurus investigation dialogues.


Ashley: Hey there.
Shepard: ... ey...
Ashley: Nice of you to come back to the land of the living.
Shepard: That's not funny.
Ashley: Yeah, maybe. I'm useless at cheesy lines. It's what I keep you fed for.
Shepard: I'm so glad my 'skills' are appreciated. *tries to sit up, but can as he's has been stabbed in the stomach.* Ow...
Ashley: God, you're a worse patient than I am.
Shepard: A superior learns from his subordinate.
Ashley: And here I was going to joke about stubborness being inherited.
Shepard: Yeah, that too... what's this?
Ashley: Brought you something to eat. You hungry?
Shepard: Famished. But I'm not sure if I could keep it all down. Didn't work so well, shoulda just chucked it on the floor... cut out the middle-man.
Ashley: How does your stomach feel when I say I'll sit on your chest and force it down your throat if you don't eat it?
Shepard: Well I wouldn't mind that, but my stomach might have other ideas.
Ashley: ...yeah, walked right into that one didn't I?
Shepard: You really did.
Ashley: But its your own fault.
Shepard: He broke my arm, disarmed me then stabbed me in the stomach with -
Ashley: With your own knife!
Shepard: I didn't even hear the bastard coming up behind me!
Ashley: And you're supposed to be a N7and some kind of combat cyborg? - tsk.
Shepard: Stop teasing me. I'm gonna cry now.
Ashley: Oh, you big baby.
Shepard: *pout* You're mean.
Ashley: I know. *kisses his forehead.*

Modifié par Aurora313, 26 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[seirhart]

Miranda has never died on me on any difficulties ever, even though I like Ashley Miranda would never lose to Ashley

[Clone 071]

Aurora313 wrote...

Ashley: Hey there.
Shepard: ... ey...
Ashley: Nice of you to come back to the land of the living.
Shepard: That's not funny.
Ashley: Yeah, maybe. I'm useless at cheesy lines. It's what I keep you fed for.
Shepard: I'm so glad my 'skills' are appreciated. *tries to sit up, but can as he's has been stabbed in the stomach.* Ow...
Ashley: God, you're a worse patient than I am.
Shepard: A superior learns from his subordinate.
Ashley: And here I was going to joke about stubborness being inherited.
Shepard: Yeah, that too... what's this?
Ashley: Brought you something to eat. You hungry?
Shepard: Famished. But I'm not sure if I could keep it all down. Didn't work so well, shoulda just chucked it on the floor... cut out the middle-man.
Ashley: How does your stomach feel when I say I'll sit on your chest and force it down your throat if you don't eat it?
Shepard: Well I wouldn't mind that, but my stomach might have other ideas.
Ashley: ...yeah, walked right into that one didn't I?
Shepard: You really did.
Ashley: But its your own fault.
Shepard: He broke my arm, disarmed me then stabbed me in the stomach with -
Ashley: With your own knife!
Shepard: I didn't even hear the bastard coming up behind me!
Ashley: And you're supposed to be a N7and some kind of combat cyborg? - tsk.
Shepard: Stop teasing me. I'm gonna cry now.
Ashley: Oh, you big baby.
Shepard: *pout* You're mean.
Ashley: I know. *kisses his forehead.*

Nice, though I was confused about Shepard being stabbed with his own knife and his arm broken. Any backstory there?

[SlottsMachine]

In short, I think if you plugged both Miranda's and Ashley's fighting attributes into a deadliest warrior style fight simulator Miranda would have more wins. I'm thinking 54% Miranda.

[Aurora313]

@Clone 071

He's one of the most feared if not the most feared man in the galaxy and spends every other day saving the galaxy... make something up.

Although I will say, the knife has a backstory - it was a balisong given to him by his father after he graduated N7 training, and it's also a reason for one of my nicknames for him: 'Knives'. He recovered it from the Normandy wreakage and restored it, keeping it on him at all times.

Also, I wanted Ash to tease him.

Modifié par Aurora313, 26 janvier 2012 - 12:32 .

[Clone 071]

Aurora313 wrote...

@Clone 071

He's one of the most feared if not the most feared man in the galaxy and spends every other day saving the galaxy... make something up.

Although I will say, the knife has a backstory - it was a balisong given to him by his father after he graduated N7 training, and it's also a reason for one of my nicknames for him: 'Knives'. He recovered it from the Normandy wreakage and restored it.

Also, I wanted Ash to tease him.

Ah, just the knife stabbing came out of the blue, and I was still focused on Shepard and Ash investigating the Cerberus facility. (Lazarus Station I believe?)

[Aurora313]

Oh - that, this was stand alone. Should of mentioned that, my mistake

I'll go back to Lazarus next time.

Modifié par Aurora313, 26 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Well guys chests dont get blurred out on network television XD

I'd love to see Ashley in only the N7 hoodie

I fail to see how that matters...

we all have nipples...

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

CptData wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

It sounds like Ashley's going to be very useful in combat, sweet. To bad for Vega though, Jacob 2.0 unless squadmate AI is greatly improved.

Think Vega is no "Jacob 2.0". Vega seems to be more like Grunt: can take a beating and dish out more. Useful if you're a "soft class" like an engineer or something ^^ In my case, Ash will support my Infiltrator greatly while Vega keeps a healthy distance between those husks and Shep/Ash.

Think Ash was always useful - I missed her badly in ME2 since Biotics were far less useful (armor/shield blocking biotics).

As much as I like Sniper Ash... (this is what I normally gave her in ME1) ... I'm really going to miss her tanking ability. *reminisces* Oh the times I hid behind her and her immunity ability! ... good times! haha

As for a "soft class" ... LOL

There are no soft classes now since everyone can use any weapon (lolwtf is that?) Meaning any class can have an AR or what have you.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

CptData wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I hate to break it but Miranda's a sentinel. No way in hell she loses to Ashley.

Heavily depends on the way they're fighting. Biotics are over- and underpowered at the same time. Miranda's direct fighting skills are reduced to Pistol- and SMG-usage - Ashley can use every weapon avaiable, including heavy weapons and sniper rifles.

First of all, keep in mind biotics got gimped - they can't be used against any kind of defense anymore. Don't have the table here, but I know several biotic attacks require shields lowered. As long as Ashley can keep her shield charged, Miranda relies only on her normal firepower.

SHORT RANGE (<50m)
Miranda may win. SMGs deplete shields quickly and once they're gone, Ashley is minced meat.

MEDIUM RANGE (<150m)
Almost even fight. Ashley might win this one since range of Miranda's SMG is limited and won't take down Ashley's shields fast enough. That gives her enough time to aim and take down Miranda with either her assault or the sniper rifle.

LONG RANGE (>150m)
Hands down - Miranda will be dead. There's no way she can deplete Ashley's shields - and Ash is a crackshot. Even if Miranda can reduce that range by several dozen meters, she'd be dead in the end.


As I said, biotics are heavily overrated sometimes since they're kinda situational. Just my -very- short analysis. In any of my playthroughs I rather rely on firepower than tech skills and biotics. They come in handy, sure, but they don't decide the battle that often I'm used from ME1.
In ME1 biotics were necessary ... that's why I always had either Wrex, Kaidan or Liara in most fights.

And that's the fair analysis - without making Miri "worse than she is" or raising Ashley to "incredible awesomeness". Just stats & knowledge and how things work in ME2 / ME3. Also I'd like to add to the record Miranda died quite frequently in combat: think not even Tali got downed that often, and she has the nasty tendency to go right into the middle of the fight like Grunt. Lets ignore ME2's poor squadmate AI ... Miranda's tactic skills are more theoretical than practical - which also might turn the favor towards Ashley.

I think Data has hit the nail on the head here. It's definitely a situational thing. I mean, just b/c someone has biotics doesn't make it an insta-win against someone who doesn't. And Ashley, being the veteran soldier that she is, is smart enough to know not to take her on up-close, but to take her out from her effective range. 

[SlottsMachine]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

As for a "soft class" ... LOL

There are no soft classes now since everyone can use any weapon (lolwtf is that?) Meaning any class can have an AR or what have you.

Yeah, I couldn't remember if that was the case or not, oh well. Unless Vega's default weapon is the reverent, the quote doesn't make much sense. Who knows maybe Ash is just super deadly with that sniper. 

[PSUHammer]

So, I am fascinated how the game is going to resolve what happens if you end up hooking up with Jack/Miranda/Tali in ME2 after having romanced Ash in ME1. I have a number of playthroughs with the different scenarios to try them out.

I like to think of my Shep as like Indiana Jones. Gets a different girl in each chapter but in the end he comes back to the original because, as Indy said, "There were others, sure, but they all had one problem...they weren't you"

[SlottsMachine]

I've heard that Ashley's cheat dialogue is rather off putting, a little worried by that. But the easiest solution is, don't cheat. Problem solved, I guess.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 26 janvier 2012 - 02:33 .

[V-rex]

Mesina2 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/PWatamaniuk/status/162178489552863232
"Replaying ME1, and I gotta ask for future balance. Are Ashley and Vega really similar class-wise? Or Are they different?"

"Very different. Ashley is long range and accurate while James is resilient close quarters."

Hmmm, I was actually planning to pair Ashley and Garrus up together (you know, for old times sake) on as many missions as I could.
But if they both specialize in long range weapons that might make it a bit redundant.

[Complistic]

V-rex wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/PWatamaniuk/status/162178489552863232
"Replaying ME1, and I gotta ask for future balance. Are Ashley and Vega really similar class-wise? Or Are they different?"

"Very different. Ashley is long range and accurate while James is resilient close quarters."

Hmmm, I was actually planning to pair Ashley and Garrus up together (you know, for old times sake) on as many missions as I could.
But if they both specialize in long range weapons that might make it a bit redundant.

You get to choose which weapons they use so just give ash an assault rifle and garrus a sniper or vice versa and voilla. 

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

V-rex wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/PWatamaniuk/status/162178489552863232
"Replaying ME1, and I gotta ask for future balance. Are Ashley and Vega really similar class-wise? Or Are they different?"

"Very different. Ashley is long range and accurate while James is resilient close quarters."

Hmmm, I was actually planning to pair Ashley and Garrus up together (you know, for old times sake) on as many missions as I could.
But if they both specialize in long range weapons that might make it a bit redundant.

Regardless of effectiveness...

that will be my squad for my first ME3 playthrough.

[Aurora313]

What I would like while choosing the load outs is if you could actually hear the character's comment during selection,

EG. Ash who's a ranged person, and you give her a shotgun, she'll grudgingly accept, but give her a sniper rifle and she'll say something like (if romanced) 'That's my Skipper! You know what the ladies like.'

[V-rex]

Complistic wrote...

You get to choose which weapons they use so just give ash an assault rifle and garrus a sniper or vice versa and voilla. 

Cool.
I'm definetly giving her a shotgun.

[Abispa]

I really don't want to be part of a Miranda vs. Ashley war anymore than I want to see ANOTHER Tali vs. Miranda war, but it should be pointed out that Ashley can kill Wrex with a single shot. Miranda is NOT in Wrex' league. Pretty much no one is.

It could be a much different story if Miranda actually had all the cool powers a sentinel is supposed to.

[Abispa]

The latest tweet on the difference between Ashley and Vega is interesting, but I wonder if some of you are reading too much into it. Ashley is supposed to be deadlier and Vega is supposed to be harder to kill. I imagine that when push comes to shove Ashley is a formidable close range fighter, just not the "best".