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[Cossack72]

Quick question: Does anyone have that one picture of Ash giving Joker a big hug from behind? I know I've seen it here before.

[Mr. Brainheart]

Cossack72 wrote...

Quick question: Does anyone have that one picture of Ash giving Joker a big hug from behind? I know I've seen it here before.

Do you mean...this one?

[CptData]

I know what you mean but can't find it now, Cossack, but we need a top Ash anyway ...


Close enough?

Oops: Brain found it

Modifié par CptData, 23 février 2012 - 10:54 .

[Aurora313]

^
Shepard is not pleased... where's his hug?

[MegaBadExample]

Okay, I've got some explaining to do, I guess.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

^
Shepard is not pleased... where's his hug?

Pre-Hug?

[Aurora313]

... Shepard is satisfied... for now.

[CptData]

Lets hope he keeps it for a while ... 14 days in my case ...

[MegaBadExample]

Okay, okay. The rumours I've been hearing are not just about the VS being bisexual. There is plenty of other stuff that I've only just heard. that make me think: “WTF?” So I'm clearing that up.

I would love for Bioware to come out and explain to me why they did it, to BOTH Ashley and Kaidan (Funny thing that. Wonder why?)

The way I see it, Bioware only made the VS an s/s romance now, at the end of the series, is because at the end of the day, they're basically the same character in the same role now, so what's the point in them being exclusive? And we all know the VS gets the short end of the stick from Bioware.

Anyway, Bioware will play it most likely like this: "The VS has always loved you even though they've shown no interest in the same sex before." So they can fit in with the current romance. That right there is what will set me off. If she was feeling you, Ashley is a confident enough woman to come out and say it straight in ME1, like she did with male Shepard, like she did with her religion. Call that OOC if she suddenly comes out of the closet and says that all shyly like Liara.

They wouldn’t pull the whole “your suddenly bisexual now” with Tali, Garrus or Miranda that’s for sure, and they didn’t.

…But you’re right, love can develop. It didn’t exist in ME1 as Ashley showed no interest, but in ME3 it can after a certain point (half way through the game after the *U* Scene.) and I can live with that so long as Bioware don’t pull the whole: “I’ve always felt this way about you.” when we know that's not the case. It's all about how they handle it, and make it fit to Ashley… NOT K/A as Bioware refer to them as.

It's not the sudden of the s/s romance, it’s more of the VS being pushed into the same character, same interests, and the same situation when it doesn’t fit. They could make it fit, but that would require two different romances, and there is no way in hell that is happening.

That's why I'm expecting OOC Ashley. “I've always loved you. I've crushed on you from the beginning.” No.... That wasn't true.

Maybe I'm showing a lack of faith on Bioware part, because I read messed up stuff the other day. I dunno.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 février 2012 - 11:27 .

[CptData]

You have a point in so far that Ash / Kaidan shouldn't pull a line "I always loved you" to a Shep of the same sex. It doesn't work, MBE, you're right.

However, I also told you they simply could pull the "I couldn't allow to develop feelings for you since it never felt right in those days" line or something explaining neither Kaidan nor Ashley were ready for their "outing". Aaaaalso keep in mind some ppl simply don't know they're bi-sexual until feelings develop. That could be caused by some sort of a trauma - like the events on Virmire.
Remember what's said before you create a new Shepard? The death of the one forged a strong bond with the VS.

Just keep it in mind ... and S/S!Ashley makes sense. Sort of.


Good Night everyone ... see you tomorrow ^^

Modifié par CptData, 23 février 2012 - 11:19 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Okay, okay. The rumours I've been hearing are not just about the VS being bisexual. There is plenty of other stuff that I've only just heard. that make me think: “WTF?” So I'm clearing that up.

I would love for Bioware to come out and explain to me why they did it, to BOTH Ashley and Kaidan (Funny thing that. Wonder why?)

The way I see it, Bioware only made the VS an s/s romance now, at the end of the series, is because at the end of the day, they're basically the same character in the same role now, so what's the point in them being exclusive? And we all know the VS gets the short end of the stick from Bioware.

Anyway, Bioware will play it most likely like this: "The VS has always loved you even though they've shown no interest in the same sex before." So they can fit in with the current romance. That right there is what will set me off. Ashley is a confident enough woman to come out and say it straight, like she did with male Shepard, like she did with her religion. Call that OOC if she suddenly comes out of the closet and says that all shyly like Liara.

They wouldn’t pull the whole “your suddenly bisexual now” with Tali, Garrus or Miranda that’s for sure, and they didn’t.

…But you’re right, love can develop. It didn’t exist in ME1 as Ashley showed no interest, but in ME3 it can after a certain point (half way through the game after the *U* Scene.) and I can live with that so long as Bioware don’t pull the whole: “I’ve always felt this way about you.” when we know that's not the case. It's all about how they handle it, and make it fit to Ashley… NOT K/A as Bioware refer to them as.

It's not the sudden of the s/s romance, it’s more of the VS being pushed into the same character, same interests, and the same situation when it doesn’t fit. They could make it fit, but that would require two different romances, and there is no way in hell that is happening.

That's why I'm expecting OOC Ashley. “I've always loved you. I've crushed on you from the beginning.” No.... That wasn't true.

Maybe I'm showing a lack of faith on Bioware part, because I read messed up stuff the other day. I dunno.

No, you're right, it doesn't make sense if they go that route.

[MegaBadExample]

Data, you know those lines are in the script "I've always loved you." Bioware can't make two romances with this. So it's gotta come clashing together, making Ashley OOC.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 février 2012 - 11:32 .

[Burneye Is God]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Yeah, well Miranda pretty much got the boot too. She's not even considered a "true love" apparently. I’ll be able to get my CE on the 1st of March, so we'll see how it goes. If Bioware screw up Ashley, guess I'll just have to remember her the way she was in ME1. There's been some character destroying rumours flying around lately. Can’t say I'm happy about some of the things I've been hearing. But the game has gone gold soo……. WHATCHA GONA DOOOOO?

*Except complain and spread spoilers on March first*

how come u get it early?

[MegaBadExample]

Burneye Is God wrote...

MegaBadExample wrote...

Yeah, well Miranda pretty much got the boot too. She's not even considered a "true love" apparently. I’ll be able to get my CE on the 1st of March, so we'll see how it goes. If Bioware screw up Ashley, guess I'll just have to remember her the way she was in ME1. There's been some character destroying rumours flying around lately. Can’t say I'm happy about some of the things I've been hearing. But the game has gone gold soo……. WHATCHA GONA DOOOOO?

*Except complain and spread spoilers on March first*

how come u get it early?

Technically... I'm not supposed to be getting it. But I know a guy, who knows a guy, who'll hopefully get me one quicker.  

[EpicBoot2daFace]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Data, you know those lines are in the script "I've always loved you." Bioware can't make two romances with this. So it's gotta come clashing together, making Ashley OOG.

Yeah, it's definately OOC. I hope they come up with a better explaination than that.

[MegaBadExample]

dp

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 23 février 2012 - 11:31 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Data, you know those lines are in the script "I've always loved you." Bioware can't make two romances with this. So it's gotta come clashing together, making Ashley OOG.

Do we know whether Kaidan and Ash were written by the same person?

I any case, it's a fair point, if they present it that way, especially since Horizon, but one would hope they learned something from that: the fans didn't like it. And when you're writing a complete character for a game I find it hard to imagine you'd write out of anymore than the view of that one character. When I write about a character, I look at the thing s/he's going to talk about and then think about how that one character would think about it. I find it hard to imagine you can write one thing out of the perspective of two characters without realizing you're doing something wrong.

In ME2 they had an excuse, albeit lame, but when writing a character with a large part in the game, there is no way you can let two diifferent characters think the same in private/personal situations..A romance is the culmination of those private/personal moments.

In the end, this is really a matter of "how much do I trust the writers?" though.

[Cossack72]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

Quick question: Does anyone have that one picture of Ash giving Joker a big hug from behind? I know I've seen it here before.

Do you mean...this one?

Yes, thank you

[ADLegend21]

You're right about the "I've always loved you" thing. If it's executed like Tali's then it's just cheap and I'll be pissed. I'm interested in how they do it since I'm guessing Shep would have to be single? "I thought you didn't want a relationship so I didn't want to press you. You seemed like a married to your career kind of person " would be a good start.

[MegaBadExample]

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, I don't have much faith in Mac. Ashley and Kaidan's writers are gone now. They were never intended to be bisexual, it wasn't part of the plan at all. Now, it's changed becuase, the VS is in the same role, same shoes, so what's the point in being exclusive? It make sense from Bioware's POV, but it doesn't click. And I truly don't feel like it's doing justice to Ashley's character overall. There's a solid chance that Ashley is going against her religion and all the tradition in the world and all that blaaaah. But I won't get into all that.

When you see some of the lines, it doesn't fit and makes Ash OOC. In the s/s romance with Ash it isn't even brought up that Shepard is a woman at all, Ashley doesn’t even acknowledge it at all. As soon as you hit the first flag and active the start of a romance. You don't get an explanation for it. Yet she refers to a romanced male Shepard as guy ONLY at the start and middle, before that point. It's a half ass-job, and Bioware don't explain it, and actually try to do a little justice to an s/s vs romance.

Without going into spoilers, If you romanced Ashley before in ME1.... You'll get different romance options with her right up until you get to a certain point in the game. Only here is when the new players can pursue a romance with Ashley. Her romance dialogue goes from being, exclusively straight, to all gendered.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 24 février 2012 - 12:04 .

[DCYNIGR8]

Ash doesn't strike me as bisexual/gay, so none of my FemSheps will pursue her in that manner.

As long as she doesn't start hitting on my FemSheps and she’s perusable only through Shep's dialogue choices, I have no problem as it will never come up.

As far as OOC goes, if those who chose to pursue a s/s relationship with Ashley don’t have a problem with how it's handled, I don’t see why anyone else should.

[MegaBadExample]

She never striked me as bisexual either. I thought Ashley was confident and fairly open enough to come out and say something to a female Shepard, but she didn't. Nor does she in ME3. I think the lack of explanation for it, is annoying me. Also, Bioware forcing the VS into these situations, because ot them sharing the same role.

Fair enough. Still makes Ashley's overall character OOC IMO.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 24 février 2012 - 12:16 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, I don't have much faith in Mac. Ashley and Kaidan's writers are gone now. They were never intended to be bisexual, it wasn't part of the plan at all. Now, it's changed becuase, the VS is in the same role, same shoes, so what's the point in being exclusive? It make sense from Bioware's POV, but it doesn't click. And I truly don't feel like it's doing justice to Ashley's character overall. There's a solid chance that Ashley is going against her religion and all the tradition in the world and all that blaaaah. But I won't get into all that.

When you see some of the lines, it doesn't fit and makes Ash OOC. In the s/s romance with Ash it isn't even brought up that Shepard is a woman at all, Ashley doesn’t even acknowledge it at all. As soon as you hit the first flag and active the start of a romance. You don't get an explanation for it. Yet she refers to a romanced male Shepard as guy ONLY at the start and middle, before that point. It's a half ass-job, and Bioware don't explain it, and actually try to do a little justice to an s/s vs romance.

Without going into spoilers, If you romanced Ashley before in ME1.... You'll get different romance options with her right up until you get to a certain point in the game. Only here is when the new players can pursue a romance with Ashley. Her romance dialogue goes from being, exclusively straight, to all gendered.

I thought they said some new guy was writing Ash? Personally I don't have a problem with them both being Bi, and  to be fair after A/K becoming the VS they kinda had to, since a large part of the fanbase expects them to be treated as equals.

and if your info isn't outdated, that would be dissapointing and possibly hurting to the experience. I understand your concern. But I guess we'll have to see. I'm going to experience it without having my judgement pretty much ready before hand.

[ADLegend21]

MegaBadExample wrote...

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, I don't have much faith in Mac. Ashley and Kaidan's writers are gone now. They were never intended to be bisexual, it wasn't part of the plan at all. Now, it's changed becuase, the VS is in the same role, same shoes, so what's the point in being exclusive? It make sense from Bioware's POV, but it doesn't click. And I truly don't feel like it's doing justice to Ashley's character overall. There's a solid chance that Ashley is going against her religion and all the tradition in the world and all that blaaaah. But I won't get into all that.

When you see some of the lines, it doesn't fit and makes Ash OOC. In the s/s romance with Ash it isn't even brought up that Shepard is a woman at all, Ashley doesn’t even acknowledge it at all. As soon as you hit the first flag and active the start of a romance. You don't get an explanation for it. Yet she refers to a romanced male Shepard as guy ONLY at the start and middle, before that point. It's a half ass-job, and Bioware don't explain it, and actually try to do a little justice to an s/s vs romance.

Without going into spoilers, If you romanced Ashley before in ME1.... You'll get different romance options with her right up until you get to a certain point in the game. Only here is when the new players can pursue a romance with Ashley. Her romance dialogue goes from being, exclusively straight, to all gendered.

Um....That's a good thing. This is 174 years in the future. by then the "issue" of being gay or not won't be an "issue" so I'm glad she's not "well You're a woman and this isn't really how it's supposed to go but I want it" Hell there's a species of ONLY females for crying out loud. They're making it unique without making it to sepaerate it seems and that's the best approach to it. Not seperate but equal, just equal. I applaud you bioware.

[MegaBadExample]

Well, whatever. Ashley and Kaidan are both straight in my game. Doesn't really make sense for me to change that now after going through the whole series with loyal Shepard's who romanced them in the first game. So I guess for other players, if the VS is suddenly willing to be bisexual for Shepard now... Then whatever happpens, happens. I just hope Bioware explain the thing in a way that makes sense and still keeps Ash in character.

It think it would make more sense if female Shepard brought it up to Ashley. It would be OOC if Ashley was the shy Liara coming out with this crush. As Ash is very open and confident.

FShepard: So you like me then? ;D
Ashley: I've never been with another woman, never. But sinces it's you. Let's give it a shot..

Then the classic: "Just tell me what to do."

Or something like that. Hell, I'm not a writer. I suck.