Lt. Commander Ashley Williams thread: "Don't 'Ash' me!" We're Back Baby!
#19026
Posté 24 février 2012 - 06:56
To answer your question it would be best to go to PM if you want to know. But you can initiate the PM if you want to know my opinion. I don't like people to feel personally attacked so I'll leave that up to you to initiate.
#19027
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:03
Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
@Eragondragonrider
But remember they are only like that if you make them. So stay loyal and love Ashley and she won't ever go that way.
Yes so true, Ash is my canon Shep LI can't wait to see how it ends.
#19028
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:05
#19029
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:23
um...what?Eragondragonrider wrote...
Soo quick ? is the a fan song for Ash like there is for the Talimancers
#19030
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:29
#19031
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:32
Eragondragonrider wrote...
Soo quick ? is the a fan song for Ash like there is for the Talimancers
You mean a song which fits to Shepard and Ashley?
>The mass effect theme.
>The mass effect love theme.
> Three steps from hell.
> Lady gaga.
#19032
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:34
You read that? color me shocked.NICKjnp wrote...
Check out the FFTL thread...you'll see what he means.
but anyway I still havne't seen a Tali fan song. I don't think I want to either since there've been some crazy things that have come from Tali related fan works in the past.... brain bleach in coming!
#19033
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:40
Modifié par makenzieshepard, 24 février 2012 - 07:40 .
#19034
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:45
#19035
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:46
#19036
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:48
For those who want background on Sha’ira Shepard, there is a brief description here: http://social.biowar...80/blog/211339/
Field Work: A Sha’ira Shepard and Liara story.
Standing up to stretch, Commander Sha’ira Shepard, not that anyone was allowed to call her that anymore, looked around at the surrounding mountains of Eletania. The afternoon sun bathed the small valley hidden deep within the highlands of the region. It was an inviting scene, all but calling to her to lie down and rest in soft grass. Unfortunately, should she take off her suit helmet, the microscopic organisms in the air would send her into anaphylactic shock, resulting in her death. Still, despite the danger, the crew of the Normandy were taking a few well deserved days of R and R on the planet, well most of them anyway. While the rest were on board, Liara had begged her for the chance to investigate the rumors that a Prothean site may exist on the planet. It took some doing, but eventually Sha’ira had given in and allowed the Prothean expert access to the Mako. Shepard had gone with her, of course, to ensure that the young woman was alright in the rocky train. It had taken almost the entire day, and several hours of ceaseless complaints from Ashley Williams concerning her driving skills, but Shepard had finally guided the Mako to the coordinates Liara had provided. Just as the rumors had said, the ruin rose up from the floor of the hidden valley. Upon gently guiding the land vehicle to the ground using the jets, Shepard had turned a smug grin to Ash. Before she could unleash a witty comeback for the hours of complaining, Ash theatrically scrambled out of the vehicle and proclaimed loudly to the heavens that her prayers had been answered and she was safe on the ground. Liara had looked upon the scene with a confused expression.
“I don’t understand Commander; I thought that you handled the mountain pass quite well considering the conditions.”
Though she kept her voice steady, Sha’ira couldn’t hold back the warm feeling of pride that flooded through her body.
“She must be anxious from being cooped up so long without shooting something. Perhaps I’ll have her clean the barrel of the Mako while you work.”
That comment had caused Ash to glare at her.
Breaking out of her reverie, Shepard turned towards Liara as the young asari began to talk to herself. From what Sha’ira could hear over her suit radio, Liara was muttering to herself about some obscure fact concerning Prothean history. Moving closer, the commander could tell that her blue friend was deep in concentration as she examined some inscriptions that had been carved into the stone around this large Prothean ruin. Shepard watched as Liara gently traced her graceful fingertips over each of the characters in turn, the sight bringing unbidden thoughts to her mind.
“Even in her suit, she still has the most elegant hands…”
Mentally recoiling at this, the commander chastised herself. Ever since her first conversation with Liara in the med lab she had found her mind wandering when there were other tasks for her to focus on.
“Damn it Shepard, this is not the time to let the excitement of meeting new species get in the way of work.”
It was a sentiment that she had repeated in her mind with increasing frequency, though it seemed to have little effect. Her newfound weakness to Liara had certainly been getting her into trouble with her crew. Ash had taken no end of joy in pointing out how much time she had been spending with Liara since the asari had come on board. Shepard had, of course, denied any accusations from her Gunnery Chief, replying that she was trying to help Liara adjust to life on a human military vessel as she had with Tali. To Shepard’s annoyance, these responses had only encouraged Ash to further press for details. After a while, Sha’ira had simply refused to talk on the subject with the soldier. At least the whisperings that Liara was dead weight had been silenced. Most of the crew had heard the incredible tale, from Kaiden, of how she had picked up a Geth Prime with her biotics and dropped it off the skyway on Feros. Sha’ira couldn’t help the smile that crossed her face as she remembered hearing the jealousy in Kaiden’s voice as he told the story.
Moving closer to Liara, Shepard tried to see what the scientist was studying so intently. The inscription was unintelligible to her but, from the looks of things, Liara was able to puzzle out at least a few lines. It certainly appeared as if she had made some progress over the last hour.
“Hey Liara, why don’t you take a break? This is only the second day; there is still plenty of time before the council reports back to me on their investigation into Saren’s activities on Noveria.”
Shepard was concerned that her friend was pushing herself too hard. At times Shepard felt like Liara was trying to justify herself to the crew on the Normandy. She had certainly volunteered to go on every away mission that the Normandy had come across. It was beginning to worry her, after all the asari had been trapped for almost a week. She had barely taken a day after settling in to rest before they had arrived at Feros. After that, Liara had pushed herself to work harder and harder on deciphering any Prothean artifacts they had come across. One night Sha’ira had found her slumped over at her desk, a data pad in her hand. Shepard had carried her to her bed at the back of the room, where she made sure that Liara was resting comfortably before she herself turned in for the night. After that incident, Shepard had begun to spend time with Liara after her shift was over. The two of them worked closely to work through the data on the Prothean discs the Normandy had picked up. Liara had been overjoyed to have Shepard helping her. The two quickly found that with the cipher now stored in Sha’ira’s mind, the commander was almost a walking Prothean translator. Liara had all but admitted her jealousy of the commander and the gift she possessed. There were limitations to her abilities however, as her understanding of the language only extended to dialects and characters commonly in use throughout the Prothean empire. Disadvantage though this may be, Liara was still quick to point out that she was leaps and bounds ahead of the linguists that had been studying the language all their lives.
Shepard blinked as she heard Liara’s voice call to her.
“But Shepard, didn’t we take a break less than half an hour ago?”
Sha’ira was astonished at just how badly Liara had lost track of time.
“Liara, our last break was over three hours ago. Ash has run more than seven laps of this valley since then.”
Liara straightened in shock upon hearing the news.
“By the Goddess! I’m sorry Shepard, I had no idea that I was taking so long! I hope I didn’t delay you from something important.”
Shepard chuckled as she raised her hands to still the panicking scientist.
“Don’t worry Liara, if anything of importance arises the crew knows how to contact me. I’m just worried about you. You have been pushing yourself since we met on Therum. Have you even had more than five hours rest in the last week?”
The asari blushed purple at her commander’s concern. Shifting to better face Sha’ira, Liara put her hand behind her. The palm of her hand came in contact with the stones of the ruin, pushing a small square of stone down as she placed her weight on it. Much to the shock of the two women, a much larger slab of stone opened to reveal a passage beneath the ruins. Liara shot to her feet in excitement and quickly made her way to the opening. Activating the light on her omni tool, she shone the light down the passage.
“Shepard! Look at this! By the Goddess, no one has ever encountered something like this before.”
Sha’ira could feel the excitement radiating off of her friend, and she could see that Liara was itching to explore the tunnel to see what secrets it might hold.
“Now hang on a second Liara, we have no idea where it goes or what is down there. We should wait for a science team from the Citadel, or at the very least from the Normandy.”
Though they had their suits on, Shepard could see the utter disappointment in Liara’s eyes. Part of her wanted, badly, to give in, but her common sense held sway. All at once, a light came into Liara’s eyes.
“But Commander, with this passage now open to the air, anything inside might degrade well before a team from the Citadel could arrive. Also, the microbes might infiltrate and degrade anything useful in here even before a team from the Normandy could be brought by the Mako. In addition, such an effort would take several trips. Who knows, this is one of the most recently built Prothean sights I have ever seen. It may even have information on the conduit.”
Shepard bit her lip. Despite the danger, Liara had a point. Not only that, but Sha’ira also wanted to examine the tunnel. Those long hours spent helping Liara translate the information on the Prothean discs had instilled in her a great interest in the extinct race. Plus, the way she was pleading with her was absolutely adorable. An image of Liara as an eager university grad student, weighed down with text books, came suddenly to mind. It was only with supreme effort that Shepard was able to push it away and focus on the task at hand.
“Alright, we’ll take a look. But, the moment I get a hint of trouble we are out of there. Got it?”
Liara nodded eagerly, her energy once again returning. Quickly moving to the opening, Liara knelt down and began to crawl on her hands and knees down the shaft. Shepard followed suit, not even bothering to stop and think where Ash might have gotten to.
As the two females made their way down the tunnel, Shepard found herself lost in thought. Her mind raced at the possibilities of what they might find. So focused was she, that she didn’t hear Liara’s marvelling about how the discovery of this site would radically alter the modern schools of thought concerning the Protheans. In her own mind, Shepard was more concerned about the implications of what the data here might mean. If what Liara said was true, and information on the conduit was stored here, then their mission would be over far faster than anyone had originally thought. After all, if they knew where Saren would end up, why bother chasing him. The Normandy could easily make its way to the location of the conduit while the Citadel fleet tracked Saren and prevented him from attacking any further colonies.
Sha’ira was so engrossed in her thoughts that she didn’t even hear Liara’s warning to stop. All she saw was the asari’s hardsuit clad feet appear in her view. Alarmed, Sha’ira looked up, only to run face first into Liara’s posterior. Flooded with embarrassment, Shepard backed up from Liara. Her repeated apologies were broadcast to Liara over the suit radios and, had Sha’ira’s helmet been off, Liara would have been able to see a face that had gone as red as the hair that framed it.
Much to Shepard’s relief, Liara waved off the incident. Pointing to the end of the shaft, Liara told Shepard that her onmi tool was picking up signs of an air filtration system. Shepard could also see the glow of a barrier at the end of the tunnel.
“Be careful Liara, we don’t know what that system may do or even if there is any power to it. For all we know it might be just as likely to vent out corrosive gas as it is to provide a breath of fresh ass… I mean air!”
Shepard quickly squeezed out the amendment to her statement, though Liara still did turn to regard her oddly.
“Are you alright Sha’ira?”
Normally, she would have been annoyed at the use of THAT name. She hated being reminded that her mother had named her after a prostitute. Now however, she was so flummoxed that it passed without notice.
“Don’t worry about me Liara, I’m just distracted.”
Much to her relief, Liara let the matter drop and continued on towards the end of the tunnel. Shepard inwardly sighed. She looked back up at Liara and, once again, she was unable to hold back the mental commentary.
“That IS a nice ass…”
Catching a hold of her thoughts, she quickly remonstrated herself for another loss of control.
“What is wrong with you Shepard? You aren’t like your mother! Stop screwing around and get back to work.”
It took the two only a few moments to reach the barrier. Shepard watched as her companion raised her omni tool to scan the field that blocked the entrance to the room in front of them.
“This is odd, it seems that the system is waiting for something…”
Every red flag Shepard possessed was raised at those words. Reaching out, she grabbed Liara’s leg.
“Liara! We have to go!”
Stuned by the sudden outburst, Liara looked back at Shepard just in time to see a second barrier pop up behind them. Her eye’s widened, and the two could hear a hissing noise from their hardsuit’s external audio input. Both Shepard and Liara quickly examined their onmi tools to try to figure a way out of the situation. Both of them were surprised to see the concentration of the microbes dropping until they had been eliminated altogether.
It was only then that Sha’ira released the breath she was holding.
“Okay Liara, I think it’s time we headed back now… Liara?”
Looking back to her companion, she saw Liara had already entered the room in front of them. Rolling her eyes, Shepard moved into the area as well. Liara had already found how to activate the lights, illuminating the chamber. Spotting the asari, Shepard groaned in frustration. In her excitement, Liara had taken her suit helmet off.
“Liara, I don’t think it’s safe to take your helmet off just yet.”
The scientist turned towards Sha’ira, her face filled with excitement.
“Don’t worry Shepard I’ve check the power systems, the flow is stable and the reserves have plenty of power. Whatever this place was intended for, it was built to preserve the contents of the room for an extended period.”
Frowning, Shepard leaned up against the nearest desk. Her only experience with working Prothean technology had almost scrambled her brains, so it was understandable that she was wary of it.
“Alright Liara but if I tell you to put it back on you do it right away, got it?”
Liara nodded and gave Shepard a smile that lit up the room. Witnessing this, Sha’ira could have sworn that her heart skipped a beat. Blushing, the commander turned away once again thankful that Liara couldn’t see her face behind the helmet. Conducting a quick survey of the room, Shepard saw row upon row of shelving units, all appearing to hold what looked like data discs. Sadly, it seemed that an electrical arc had destroyed most of the data discs at some point in the past. It was a terrible loss to the historians, a loss that Liara would no doubt feel herself. In addition the discs, there were also several vials that looked like they might contain tissue samples or preserved DNA. Walking over to this area of the room she picked up a vial at random. Reading the inscription on the side, her eyes widened as the cipher allowed her to translate the text.
Attican Beta / Theseus/ Feros: Species 49382-12-321-5492-01001 Common Name: Thorian
Suddenly the purpose of this room dawned on her. This was a kind of library, too small to hold the collective knowledge of the Prothean empire, yet too large to be some random home collection. She looked to the vials in the other shelves, quickly examining each to see where they had come from. As she went further in one direction, the samples came closer and closer to the Local Cluster. She had begun to sweat; her breath became quicker the closer to home the samples were. They knew that the Protheans had studied Earth from their base on Mars. Was it possible that one of those same Protheans had made a new outpost here? Her visor began to fog up as she moved faster and faster. Not waiting the extra few seconds for the automatic systems to kick in, Sha’ira released the clamps and took of her helmet. Reaching out she grabbed the next vial and read the label.
Local Cluster / Sol System / Third planet: Species 42136-01-224-0006-11111 Common Name: ****** Sapiens Sapiens
There it was, a possible answer to her question. This structure could very well be the last outpost of a creature that had studied her very race long before the first civilizations were born. Replacing the vial, she realized her foolish behaviour and reached out for her helmet. Moving to replace it on her head, she heard a sudden gasp from Liara. Turning quickly she saw the woman had both hands over her mouth.
Sha’ira moved quickly up to Liara’s side.
“Liara, what’s wrong?”
The asari turned to face her commanding officer. There were tears in her eyes and trailing down her cheeks. The sight made Sha’ira want to reach out and wipe them away.
Liara pointed to three discs that sat on the table in front of her. They looked like regular data discs, only far thicker and twice the diameter.
“These are Prothean Archives! Sha’ira do you know what this means?”
Shepard shook her head, she honestly didn’t know. Liara, not put off in the slightest by Shepard’s ignorance on the subject, continued her explanation.
“Shepard, most of what we know of the Protheans was gained from a badly damaged archive discovered more than a thousand years ago. To this day experts have only been able to extract less than one percent of the data, and most of that is fragmented and nonsensical. To be able to work with just one of these in perfect condition… Most asari scholars would give up three centuries of their lives for just a decade to examine the data held within.”
Liara once again turned her eyes to Shepard’s, the turmoil of emotions clear within them.
“Thank you so much for making this possible!”
Liara all but lunged at Sha’ira, throwing her arms around her. The commander was caught utterly off guard and tripped over her own feet. The two women fell to the ground, Liara on top of Sha’ira. Face to face, the two women were gazing into each other’s eyes. Shepard could feel the blush fighting to make its way to her cheeks as the more repressed sections of her mind began to weave dirty images. It seemed that Liara was similarly afflicted as well, a purplish hue darkening the skin beneath her eyes. For a moment Shepard thought that she saw Liara’s face grow closer, but then a flash from the other side of the room distracted them.
Sitting at the entrance to the tunnel, Ashley Williams held a holo camera in her hands. It was easy to see the devilish grin on her face as she laughed.
“Sweet! Blackmail!”
With that, the Gunnery Chief replaced her helmet and quickly escaped up the shaft to the surface.
It took a moment for the reality of the situation to settle in for Shepard, but when it did she was on her feet in an instant.
“GOD DAMN YOU WILLIAMS! I’LL GET YOU FOR THIS!”
#19037
Posté 24 février 2012 - 07:59
In the end, it's my opinion and we all know what opinions equate to but when they start compromising a good story to appease a vocal group of folks, you get mediocrity.
#19038
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:02
#19039
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:29
Well when the guy lied and said he could confirmt eh VS was S/S you claimed it was because the FFTL thread Bullied BW into doing it and said that if anyone had an opposing opinion theyw ere called a homophobe and were told their beleifs didn't matter, so sorry for thinking you didn't read said thread. >.>NICKjnp wrote...
You make it seem like I'm a homophobe scared of gay people. My own father was gat for crying out loud. He came out of the closet when I was 18 months old. I mean it when I say I support s/s for gay/lesbian/bisexual members. I just want my beliefs portrayed correctly and I feel that Ashley was originally designed around them.
#19040
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:33
That's the thing though, it's a sub plot. You can go the entire trilogy without a romance and it won't have any effect on the end game whatsoever it won't be a "Cannot proceed without romanctic attachment" it'll go on like Normal. might gets some different lines but ultimately it's meaningless.Raanz wrote...
Oh I am convinced that the Ash/Kaidan turn is all about fanservice. So was a couple of other things that happened that I don't agree with.
In the end, it's my opinion and we all know what opinions equate to but when they start compromising a good story to appease a vocal group of folks, you get mediocrity.
#19041
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:40



#19042
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:41
Seems that way, although, as far as I understand, we still don't know if it was all troll, no truth.NICKjnp wrote...
Turns out everyone was being trolled.
#19043
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:43
#19044
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:46
Yup Evil Chris only confirmed that the guy doesn't have a copy of the game. so we just hve to wait a few days to find out.Mr. Brainheart wrote...
Seems that way, although, as far as I understand, we still don't know if it was all troll, no truth.NICKjnp wrote...
Turns out everyone was being trolled.
#19045
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:57
Which means we can move away from a discussion where most people have seemingly already taken their side.ADLegend21 wrote...
Yup Evil Chris only confirmed that the guy doesn't have a copy of the game. so we just hve to wait a few days to find out.Mr. Brainheart wrote...
Seems that way, although, as far as I understand, we still don't know if it was all troll, no truth.NICKjnp wrote...
Turns out everyone was being trolled.
And discuss stuff like what Ashley would do if Shepard dies during ME3. Which I do wonder actually, we discussed what would happen to Shepard when Ash dies, but what will happen when it's the other way round?
#19046
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:58
ADLegend21 wrote...
That's the thing though, it's a sub plot. You can go the entire trilogy without a romance and it won't have any effect on the end game whatsoever it won't be a "Cannot proceed without romanctic attachment" it'll go on like Normal. might gets some different lines but ultimately it's meaningless.
Yes, you are correct, but the sub plot is also part of the overall story. It might not have any effect on the outcome of the main plot but as so many folks like to claim, it is interwoven in MY Shepard story. To change the perception of a character at the end of a story for the sake of appeasement is not something I would consider good practice. You either have a good story or you don't.
I realize that I am not the most articulate man in the world so maybe a badly worded analogy might help:
What if there was a group of folks that wanted Liara to be purple instead of blue. So they got together and constantly asked Bioware to change her for ME3. Bioware says; ok sure we'll turn her purple and we can explain it by hacking a bit of storyline up to accommodate it. It has no impact on the main plot, but it breaks what story they had previous.
EDIT: Ok, I will stop my part of this discussion to make friends again. Have fun.
Modifié par Raanz, 24 février 2012 - 09:00 .
#19047
Posté 24 février 2012 - 08:58
MegaBadExample wrote...
I've already explained this.
Ashley and Kaidan are pushed into the same role in ME3. Only one of them can be alive. So why keep them exclusive to the faithful Shepard's? When really, we're quite a small number. It's sad, but there you have it. Also, explains why BOTH Ashley and Kaidan can turn Bisexual too. Pushing the characters into the same situation, same role.... again.
When you look at it overall. Yeah, It goes against Ashley's character IMHO to turn her bisexual for Shepard. But yeah... the VS has always got the short end of the stick from Bioware anyway.
You also saw the script. Ash & Kaidan have the same "plot role" but have different sets of dialogue. Their romances are different too.
The main issue you have is (basically): for an imported Shepard neither Kaidan nor Ash should suddenly become S/S romances since it doesn't fit to them. At least BW should give them a proper dialogue WHY they suddenly hit on Shepard - and it should be more than "I always loved you" and "I'm not gay but I make an exception for you".
To make it easier to swallow: as long as you keep Shepard O/S to the VS, you won't notice the stuff. The easiest way to prevent S/S romances with the VS is to kill the one with the same sex on Virmire. OR you simply take the friendship way (I hope that one is available). You definitely shouldn't run into a ninjamance with a suddenly homosexual Kaidan or Ashley.
One of the guys in DAT GROUP also said BW simply should add an option "allow S/S VS" - and done. Doubt this button is in the game, but the idea is a good one, especially for RP guys. Do you really want to be mean towards the S/S!VS just to avoid to get locked in a romance you don't want since it kills that character for you?
So I can understand your concerns, MBE.
I don't mind S/S!VS, since I'll only go for O/S romances. None of my m!Sheps has Kaidan alive, since all of them want Ashley. My current f!Shep playthrough may go after S/S!Ashley 'though, but I also plan one playthrough for Kaidan.
So I don't run into unwanted S/S!VS. You should try the same :innocent:
#19048
Posté 24 février 2012 - 09:11
Don't worry Raanz, you're one of the people who keeps it civil when this comes up, no need to hide. YEah headcanons do matter to people, and Biwoare's given us the right to have them since no two playthroughs are the same, even if the same person is playing them. best part of mass effect right there.Raanz wrote...
ADLegend21 wrote...
That's the thing though, it's a sub plot. You can go the entire trilogy without a romance and it won't have any effect on the end game whatsoever it won't be a "Cannot proceed without romanctic attachment" it'll go on like Normal. might gets some different lines but ultimately it's meaningless.
Yes, you are correct, but the sub plot is also part of the overall story. It might not have any effect on the outcome of the main plot but as so many folks like to claim, it is interwoven in MY Shepard story. To change the perception of a character at the end of a story for the sake of appeasement is not something I would consider good practice. You either have a good story or you don't.
I realize that I am not the most articulate man in the world so maybe a badly worded analogy might help:
What if there was a group of folks that wanted Liara to be purple instead of blue. So they got together and constantly asked Bioware to change her for ME3. Bioware says; ok sure we'll turn her purple and we can explain it by hacking a bit of storyline up to accommodate it. It has no impact on the main plot, but it breaks what story they had previous.
EDIT: Ok, I will stop my part of this discussion to make friends again. Have fun.
Though, I'm pretty sure bioware isn't gonna be aiming to step on toes. and there's not a single correct way to romance a character. Ashley cans till fall for shepard no mater what their alignment is and she will remain loyal to said Shepard no matter what so i don't see the big deal if on one persons Game Ashley's with a amle Shepard, and if in another persons game she's with a Female Shepard.
#19049
Posté 24 février 2012 - 09:20
#19050
Posté 24 février 2012 - 09:26
@Arppis; Personally I have a feeling she has a lot of her views mainly because of her upbringing, I'm not sure if she's ever had much of a think about what she thought and believed in before she met Shepard, he or she might have changed that and thus she might've started to think more for herself and less what she waas tought to think. That's all speculation though, and we don't know whether her religion renders judgement over being gay.





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