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[CptData]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@CptData
I totally disagree with the first statement she practically dumped us on Horizon

And she fixed it with her letter.

Regarding your next post: "feels rushed":

I think a proposal works in the epilogue (if Shep survives ^^) or right before the final battle. Aaaaaaaand ... we don't know how much time passes between ME3!beginning and ME3!finale.

ME1 took 6 months
ME2 took at least 3 months
ME3 ???

So if Ash & Shepard are together for another 6 months before the final battle, they might feel "ready" for next step of their relationship.

Modifié par CptData, 26 février 2012 - 08:41 .

[shepard1038]

Lets remember that Ashley and Shepard have more than 3 years since they met. So thats a lot of time, Heres how if they married and what type of wedding, it should be done:

1.If it is a big wedding then it should be done in an epilogue.
2.It can be star wars style and if it is then it is fine.
3.Or Shepard could just propose and after the war get married with Ashley.

Modifié par shepard1038, 26 février 2012 - 08:46 .

[Milan92]

I never had the feeling that Ash dumped Shep on Horizon. Only that she was angry and upset.

[CptData]

shepard1038 wrote...

Lets remember that Ashley and Shepard have more than 3 years since they met. So thats a lot of time, Heres how if they married and what type of wedding, it should be done:

1.If it is a big wedding then it should be done in an epilogue.
2.It can be star wars style and if it is then it is fine.
3.Or Shepard could just propose and after the war get married.

I don't think we're going to see a wedding in ME3, no way.
However, a proposal scene is possible. Also ... please no "Star Wars romance". George Lucas may have a great imagination, but he's also known for writing terrible romance scenes. Anakin & Padme ... some of their scenes were really cringeworthy No offense, I like Star Wars, but especially said romance was painful to watch. In the BAD way.

So my money is on that third point: proposal scene ingame, either before final battle or in an epilogue, but no wedding.

Milan92 wrote...

I never had the feeling that Ash dumped Shep on Horizon. Only that she was angry and upset.

Technically, death ends every relationship. Ashley didn't -really- dump Shepard on Horizon but she also made clear she can't continue what they have as long as Shepard is doing the job for Cerberus.
The letter tries to fix some damage, but that's it.

Modifié par CptData, 26 février 2012 - 08:50 .

[shepard1038]

Yeah the third one is the most likely to happen and most likely before the final Battle,. The note wasn't suppose to fix things things, more like damage control.

Modifié par shepard1038, 26 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[Milan92]

I really liked the email though. I don't know if any of you here have heard the version where Kim Brooks reads the email?

[trobbins777]

shepard1038 wrote...

Lets remember that Ashley and Shepard have more than 3 years since they met. So thats a lot of time, Heres how if they married and what type of wedding, it should be done:

Let's also remember that Shepard was dead for about 2.5 of those years...So their relationship still has alot of room to grow. Especially after horizon.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@CptData
The letter was great but that did 100 excuse what she said or fix the relationship though

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@CptData
Was saying it felt rushed in the dialogue I'm aware of their relationship

[CptData]

shepard1038 wrote...

Yeah the third one is the most likely to happen and most likely before the final Battle,. The note wasn't suppose to fix things things, more like damage control.

Somewhere between "fix" and "damage control". It gave me the image Ashley simply was confused and couldn't believe his return. She tried to fix some of the done damage, but it's nowhere close to an attempt to REVIVE that relationship. That's going to happen in ME3 ...

[shepard1038]

CptData wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Yeah the third one is the most likely to happen and most likely before the final Battle,. The note wasn't suppose to fix things things, more like damage control.

Somewhere between "fix" and "damage control". It gave me the image Ashley simply was confused and couldn't believe his return. She tried to fix some of the done damage, but it's nowhere close to an attempt to REVIVE that relationship. That's going to happen in ME3 ...

What do you say is going to happen in me3?

[CptData]

shepard1038 wrote...

CptData wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Yeah the third one is the most likely to happen and most likely before the final Battle,. The note wasn't suppose to fix things things, more like damage control.

Somewhere between "fix" and "damage control". It gave me the image Ashley simply was confused and couldn't believe his return. She tried to fix some of the done damage, but it's nowhere close to an attempt to REVIVE that relationship. That's going to happen in ME3 ...

What do you say is going to happen in me3?

Fix&Repair is going to happen in ME3 if you want to continue the relationship with Ashley.
You also can end it ... permanently. But what Ash fan would do that? 

[Clone 071]

shepard1038 wrote...

CptData wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

Yeah the third one is the most likely to happen and most likely before the final Battle,. The note wasn't suppose to fix things things, more like damage control.

Somewhere between "fix" and "damage control". It gave me the image Ashley simply was confused and couldn't believe his return. She tried to fix some of the done damage, but it's nowhere close to an attempt to REVIVE that relationship. That's going to happen in ME3 ...

What do you say is going to happen in me3?

Getting the relationship between Ash and Shepard back on track.

[Mr. Brainheart]

If there is going to be a proposal, I hope it's optional, since it wouldn't fit my canon Shep at all,

@Data; Anakin&Padme? Dear lord, don't remind me of that, the cringe worthy dialogue, coupled with some of the most wooden acting. It wasn't even enjoyable in a incredibly cheesy way. Ugh..

Lol, Anyway..
@Swaggacide; But it did somewhat, it fits her character to react in a very emotional way and she therefore often comes off more harsh then she intended. She calls Shepard a traitor? The letter makes up for it by saying how she understands why he is with Cerberus and that this is the only way to stop the collectors. She might still feel betrayed a little and certainly doesn't trust Cerberus or what they did to Shepard, but knows he isn't willingly betraying her.

Ofcourse, it can't fix whatever relationship they had, but it creates an atmosphere of mutual trust, so they can meet each other again with a little less awkwardness. But it's nowhere near as effective as talking face-to-face, I'll agree on that.
On a semi-related note, I really hope Shepard can apologize for acting the way he did on Horizon and that they don't act like it was only Ashley who acted wrong.

[redbaron76]

We definately have hope for a marriage proposal and maybe a baby on the way sor ashley and shepard.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Mr. Brainheart
Ummm no Ashley needed to apologize not Shepard

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I'm still in love with Ashley and what she said on Horizon was hurtful. I loved the letter and forgave but not completly. She is going to have to earn my full trust again just like I have to earn hers

[CptData]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Mr. Brainheart
Ummm no Ashley needed to apologize not Shepard

Funny. I think it's pretty much the other way around: Ash might need to apologize, but only for lashing out against Shepard. And Shepard -definitely- need to apologize for:

- not trying to contact Ashley when he came back (via Anderson, if not by mail)
- not even trying to excuse why he was working for Cerberus, instead ...
- that stupid attempt to recruit Ashley for his mission (which is treason in Ashley's eyes!)

So it's Shepard's turn. Ashley -wants- to hear him out and she -wants- to accept his apology. But Shepard needs to talk to her honestly.

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm still in love with
Ashley and what she said on Horizon was hurtful. I loved the letter and
forgave but not completly. She is going to have to earn my full trust
again just like I have to earn hers

As I said, it's pretty much the other way. Ashley didn't do anything to earn Shepard's distrust. She didn't leave the Alliance for a crap job. She didn't point a gun at him, had no Cerberus logos slapped all over her uniform etc. On the other hand: Shepard returns from the dead (hard to swallow) in the colors of an enemy team (even harder to swallow), working for them on a mission against an enemy that's known as a myth (uhh ...) ... lets say, Ash has all reasons in the world to distrust Shepard, while Shepard technically has NO reasons to distrust her.

That's how I RP my Shepard. He has to apologize & rebuild everything, not Ashley

Modifié par CptData, 26 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[Mr. Brainheart]

@Swaggacide; I disagree, Data said why already mostly, but here's my take: Shepard didn't consider Ashley's feelings once during Horizon, He's working with Cerberus, does a ****** poor job of explaining why, then calls her out on not seeing reason or calling her too emotional. Someone who says that doesn't understand what the person left behind felt for the last two years, she was mourning his death, or just doesn't care.

They both need to apologize IMO.

[shepard1038]

CptData wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Mr. Brainheart
Ummm no Ashley needed to apologize not Shepard

Funny. I think it's pretty much the other way around: Ash might need to apologize, but only for lashing out against Shepard. And Shepard -definitely- need to apologize for:

- not trying to contact Ashley when he came back (via Anderson, if not by mail)
- not even trying to excuse why he was working for Cerberus, instead ...
- that stupid attempt to recruit Ashley for his mission (which is treason in Ashley's eyes!)

So it's Shepard's turn. Ashley -wants- to hear him out and she -wants- to accept his apology. But Shepard needs to talk to her honestly.

I think Ashley needs to do more apologizing than Shepard, like the first point. the second one Shepard maybe he
needs to apologize and just explain why he did that and the third one was Shepard fault for not understanding the
situation. If Ashley would have know why he was working with Cerberus in me3 she would be greatly upset
and feel bad. I hope Shepard explains why he did join Cerberus in me2 in me3.

Modifié par shepard1038, 26 février 2012 - 10:02 .

[xOcelotx]

Hey! I just saw some of the new outfits that shepard is going to have in ME3 and a thought crossed my mind: Is Ashley going to have some more outfits aboard the Normandy, other than the blue jacket or the red one which comes with the CE?(and I apologize if this has been discussed through already or there really isn't any information concerning it...my english also sucks so sorry for that!) Oh and if some of you haven't already seen those outfits for shep, here's the link:


social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9063128/21

Modifié par xOcelotx, 26 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Mr. Brainheart
Ummm no Ashley needed to apologize not Shepard

haha... um,

no. 

[BatmanPWNS]

How can you dump someone who died 2 years ago? LOL, seems silly to me.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Mr. Brainheart @CptData
We HAD to work with Cerberus they were the only ones who were willing to stop the Collectors. I don't know about you guys but being called a traitor by the love of your life is worse than being shot. Also think about this way would it make any sense for Shepard to contact her? Think of it this way:
*Ashley check e-mail*: "Oh hey Ash I have come back from the dead and now working for Cerberus to kill giant bugs"
I honestly think that would make things more tense and awkward because she should think this has to be a prank because no one in this the history of the world (mass effect world) has come back from the dead. She would want to see him she would want real answers not just a letter. If he would sent the letter she would most likely be even more angry thinking Shepard would NOT want to see her. Point in case it just makes no sense to tell her lover that you have come back from dead and can't see her because you have more important things to do.
Ashley made the assumptions she jumped to conclusions I feel like she broke my heart and I like I said before about the letter it let me know she still cared but it doesn't give her a free pass.

Modifié par Totally Not Swaggacide, 26 février 2012 - 10:21 .

[CptData]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

@Mr. Brainheart
We HAD to work with Cerberus they were the only ones who were willing to stop the Collectors. I don't know about you guys but being called a traitor by the love of your life is worse thab being shot. Also think about this why would it make any sense for Shepard to contact her? Think of it this way:
*Ashley check e-mail*: "Oh hey Ash I have come back from the dead and now working for Cerberus to kill giant bugs"
I honestly think that would make things more tense and awkward because she should think this has to be a prank because no one in this the history of the world (mass effect world) has come back from the dead. She would want to see him she would want real answers not just a letter. If he would sent the letter she would most likely be even more angry thinking Shepard would want to see her. Point in case it just makes no sense to tell her lover that you have come back from dead and can't see her because you have more important things to do.
Ashley made the assumptions she jumped to conclusions I feel like she broke my heart and I like I said before about the letter it let me know she still cared but it doesn't give her a free pass.

I see what you're saying but that doesn't make it more "right".

You have your finger at the point: Shepard was working with Cerberus. It doesn't matter if he did it because he had to (caused by lack of alternatives) or on free will. It. Does. Not. Matter.
He's wearing the wrong colors and doing the (maybe right) job for the bad guys. Shepard violated the oath he once did.
And that's why he's a traitor. A traitor stays a traitor, regardless of the good he does. Call it stupid, but that's how Ash sees it. That's why she calls Shepard a traitor, and she's right.

We can debate about this forever, it won't lead to anything. Without Shepard's apologize, Ash doesn't want to continue anything with him - she's simply waiting for him doing the first step. Ash -might- apologize for calling Shepard a traitor, but as I said, Shepard has to do the first step or nothing will happen. He -has- to do that step.