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[Badpie]

ADLegend21 wrote...

The only person I could see going to blows over Shepard is Jack and maybe Tali, but I doubt Liara, Ashley, or Kaidan would return unless provoked physically. Ashley would get snarky and probbaly be the one to bring up the choice dialog "Shepard, you can choose you want to be with, I'll resepct it either way." Like a boss.

See I don't even see Jack doing that.  At worst I see any of them saying "You're an ass don't ever talk to me again."

But honestly I don't foresee any real conflict if you moved on from your ME1 LI to one in ME2.  Sadness, maybe a little bit of hurt feelings, but understanding.  Death kind of dictates the end of a relationship and even Ashley and Kaidan have to accept that.  Not sure I see them being as zen about is as Liara, but ultimately they're mature adults who accept what's true even if it hurts.

[stysiaq]

Anyone thinks that Ashley looks better in her ME1 hair or is it just me?
Well, since she is military and so on, loose hair doesn't suit her imo.

[Badpie]

stysiaq wrote...

Anyone thinks that Ashley looks better in her ME1 hair or is it just me?
Well, since she is military and so on, loose hair doesn't suit her imo.

I love her ME1 look and I think it suited her perfectly for that game.  But there have been changes in her life and she clearly has a different role to play as far as her job and responsibilities go.  Her new looks suggests to me less rigid military all Alliance and more special agent with a little wiggle room for how she looks and how she does the job.    I cannot wait to see the direction they took her character and personality.

[Pups_of_war_76]

stysiaq wrote...

Anyone thinks that Ashley looks better in her ME1 hair or is it just me?

it's complicated.

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

The only person I could see going to blows over Shepard is Jack and maybe Tali, but I doubt Liara, Ashley, or Kaidan would return unless provoked physically. Ashley would get snarky and probbaly be the one to bring up the choice dialog "Shepard, you can choose you want to be with, I'll resepct it either way." Like a boss.

See I don't even see Jack doing that.  At worst I see any of them saying "You're an ass don't ever talk to me again."

But honestly I don't foresee any real conflict if you moved on from your ME1 LI to one in ME2.  Sadness, maybe a little bit of hurt feelings, but understanding.  Death kind of dictates the end of a relationship and even Ashley and Kaidan have to accept that.  Not sure I see them being as zen about is as Liara, but ultimately they're mature adults who accept what's true even if it hurts.

I forgot that they said Jack had Matured over the course of ME2. I also agree that death dictates the end, sine it's only cheating if you romanced Liara since she knew you were coming back, so I cna't see her being "zen" about it, especially since she saves our asses. Ash and Kaidan though they'd probably have a professional, frendly relationship should they not be chosen (if we're even given a choice) and then we get the platonic path which should be awesome not "I've got rifles to clean, maybe later?"

[ADLegend21]

stysiaq wrote...

Anyone thinks that Ashley looks better in her ME1 hair or is it just me?
Well, since she is military and so on, loose hair doesn't suit her imo.

I love Ash's hair period. ti looks so silky when it's downand it looks amazing in the bun.

[1Minsc1]

ADLegend21 wrote...
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[V-rex]

Well, I wasn't able to post this in the 'why isn't Ashley an athiest' thread because it got locked, so I'll post it here instead because I need to rant this out of my system.

Another text wall from V-rex, incoming:

"Just think, there was a time when this site was so friendly...
Whatever happened to those happy days where we all laughed together and spent idealic summer afternoons together fishing down by the creek?
Now all we do is find ever more creative ways to snipe bitterly at each other.

In any case OP:
A person's psychological viewpoint is NOT a 'plot hole'. By definition it is not a plot hole because the personal philosophy of one character doesn't have anything to do with the actual narrative structure of the story. Ergo, it is NOT a 'plot hole'.

Similarly your argument that Ashley is the only one to have a religion is also fundamentally flawed. Thane Krios and the Drell are religious, in fact, they have multiple gods and multiple prayers and medidation practices. And they too live in the 'space age' and in fact have done so longer then humans have.
It's part of their culture.

In addition, Asari have that whole business with 'the goddess'. It's unclear to me exactly what that means but it suggests some kind of belief in a diety. Hanar mention and indeed rever the 'enkindlers' as god-like figures, a faction of the Geth stopped to worship Sovereign and the Reapers as gods and from listening to Legion talk we know that Salarians have religious figures too (that whole thing with the Salarian goddess).

Hence, with so many different religions and cultures in a huge mix together it doesn't surprise me in the least that we ran into a human who has religious beliefs. In fact it would surprise me more that despite being new additions, relatively speaking, to the galactic community, the human race have abolished all forms of faith and religion within thirty years even while other races have kept century old practices alive for far longer than that.

As for why Ashley would choose to have a religion? Well, some people can't accept the idea that there's nothing and everything's just random. Some people need to believe in something, it gives them a sense of importance and hope. Hope in turn, gives us a reason to fight.
After seeing the destructive and deadly force of the Reapers, would it really be surprising to imagine that one might like to believe that there is some kind of infallible creator that is the opposite of it?
After seeing beloved family members and friends on the battlefield die, would it really be a stretch to think that people might take comfort in the idea that they are happy in the afterlife?

Yes, there is no LOGICAL reason for Ashley to be religious. But religion in essence is not a LOGICAL thing, is it? It's emotional, philosophical. It's been a part of human nature since we were first able to start using tools, it's why every human civilization on the planet has it's own myths and legends and gods and god like figures.
It's a way to interpret the world with ones emotional perspective, not a logical one.

Also finally, that whole thing with humans being 'superior' or that diverse alien races somehow disprove religion... Ashley actually covers that. She admits that she doesn't think humans have a 'divine mandate' over the other alien races, or that they are superior to the rest.
The existence of other intelligent races doesn't factor into her religion, because her religion isn't one based on a mindset of inherent superiority of the human race."

[ADLegend21]

yes, the first Wall of Text in the new thread. Great post V-Rex!

[Badpie]

If the religious discussion thread regarding Ash was closed, it might not be a good idea to open that can of worms here. Just sayin'.

[Funkcase]

Well said V-Rex. I cant believe some people stoop so low to hate a character (and people in real life) becuase they have a different view on the afterlife to them.


Edit: Agreed with Badpie, let's not give him a excuse to post that nonsense here. We dont want this thread getting closed due to a troll.

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 juin 2011 - 03:48 .

[V-rex]

... Is it wierd that I was actually kind of looking forward to debating with him?

[Funkcase]

V-rex wrote...

... Is it wierd that I was actually kind of looking forward to debating with him?

Not at all, most people enjoy a good debate. Although in most cases they do tend to get out of hand.

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 juin 2011 - 03:49 .

[Badpie]

So I've been thinking about this:

There are some who seem to think James Vega is the "James" referenced in Ash's email to her sister (on the wiki). Now I don't really think that. I think it's just the same name. I could be wrong, but who knows.

What does everyone think of the possibility that not only is James Vega the James in Ash's email, but that they also have or have had a relationship in the time that Shepard was gone?

One one hand I think it would add an interesting dimension to the relationship of Ash and Shepard and Shepard and Vega.

On the other hand, I can't decide if that would be kind of a hack writing move.

DISCUSS.

[Martin the Warrior]

I enjoy debating, but I like it when my debate opponent respects my right to my opinion. I can't stand debating with people who are so full of themselves they can't admit that anyone else's opinions could possibly have any validity. And there are a lot of people like that on the internet.

Back on topic, Ashley is awesome. She's my favorite squadmate in ME1, and I'm PUMPED that she's going to be back for ME3! :happy:

Edit for response to Badpie's ninja-post:

If that happens, whether or not it's believable depends on how the writers pull it off. I mean, bringing the dead back to life isn't exactly the most realistic plot device in the world, but it was made more believable by the amount of time and resources it took, and probably by the fact that the Mass Effect story takes place in the 2180s. I think it's possible that James Vega could be the James from Ash's email, or he could be another sodier named James.
As for what could happen if it was the same character, that all depends on what Ash's history with James was like.  If their relationship was only professional or if they were just friends, I don't forsee any problems. If they were closer than that, things could potentially get... dramatic.

Modifié par Martin the Warrior, 14 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[skcih-deraj]

V-rex wrote...

... Is it wierd that I was actually kind of looking forward to debating with him?

I wouldn't say so, I know how you feel (great post by the way.) but the chances of the thread getting closed becuase of a troll is a risk (but the priiize, you might add)

Those same people who still have a problem with Ash's religion (doesn't matter if you point out that she only really brings it up once and doesn't even say what religion) will still argue over it and you'll just be debating a wall. A lot of those people still make claims of her supposed racism with weak arguments. (you know the one's) You just can't talk with them, they wont listen.

[skcih-deraj]

Badpie wrote...

So I've been thinking about this:

There are some who seem to think James Vega is the "James" referenced in Ash's email to her sister (on the wiki). Now I don't really think that. I think it's just the same name. I could be wrong, but who knows.

What does everyone think of the possibility that not only is James Vega the James in Ash's email, but that they also have or have had a relationship in the time that Shepard was gone?

One one hand I think it would add an interesting dimension to the relationship of Ash and Shepard and Shepard and Vega.

On the other hand, I can't decide if that would be kind of a hack writing move.

DISCUSS.

James is a common name. Could be though. It be definatly interesting to she two squade mates together, with Shepard playing conflict of intrest. Old feelings comming back, that sort of thing.

[Wheatax]

^ Hmm, I thought I read somewhere (MEwiki possibly) that the "James" that was mentioned in the email was one of Bioware staff.
If he was not the person mentioned in the email, my guess is that he's probably working together with Ashley during Shepard's trial, kinda like how Ashley was serving under Shepard in ME1. The fact that they appear together during the rescue scene made me guess it like this. It'd be pretty interesting if an NPC showed interest to Ashley It's time we make Shepard jealous.

[Badpie]

Drotter wrote...

^ Hmm, I thought I read somewhere (MEwiki possibly) that the "James" that was mentioned in the email was one of Bioware staff.
If he was not the person mentioned in the email, my guess is that he's probably working together with Ashley during Shepard's trial, kinda like how Ashley was serving under Shepard in ME1. The fact that they appear together during the rescue scene made me guess it like this. It'd be pretty interesting if an NPC showed interest to Ashley It's time we make Shepard jealous.

In either case, you're right.  They've clearly been acquainted whether it was at the trial stuff or before that.  Curious to see in general how  this James fellow fits into the mix - who he knows, what he's doing there, etc.  IF for the sake of speculation he and Ashley did have some sort of relationship I would prefer that it be in the recent past and not going on currently.  It would still add an extra little dimension to things, but then Ash wouldn't have to dump the poor guy mid apocalypse to go back to Shep.

Modifié par Badpie, 14 juin 2011 - 04:26 .

[Funkcase]

I just realised how much Bioware listen to us! Ash has her hair down, and she helps rescue Shepard at the start of the game. and she is a officer, things alot of Ash fans asked for, and ofcourse she is a squadmate! I notice these are things on ower ME3 requests list. Thank you Bioware

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 juin 2011 - 04:32 .

[ADLegend21]

Badpie wrote...

So I've been thinking about this:

There are some who seem to think James Vega is the "James" referenced in Ash's email to her sister (on the wiki). Now I don't really think that. I think it's just the same name. I could be wrong, but who knows.

What does everyone think of the possibility that not only is James Vega the James in Ash's email, but that they also have or have had a relationship in the time that Shepard was gone?

One one hand I think it would add an interesting dimension to the relationship of Ash and Shepard and Shepard and Vega.

On the other hand, I can't decide if that would be kind of a hack writing move.

DISCUSS.

I think Ashley does have a relationship during Shepard's death, or after Horizon. She's a catch (understatement of the year) that'd be nice to have some sort of stare down between the two if in fact Ashley did date Vega. and she had to make the choice between LI's.

[ashlover mark 2]

a james ash and shepard love triangle is possible since several videos keep makeing refrances that a love triangle will be resolved by the end of the game.Most ppl tend to assume tis will only accure if shep moved on in ME2 but who knows.

[Badpie]

I wouldn't picture her starting a relationship after Horizon. Mainly because I don't think she'd be in a very good place emotionally for it. I always pictured any relationship happening for a few months about a year after Shepard's death and maybe ending before she even knew Shep was alive.

Modifié par Badpie, 14 juin 2011 - 04:30 .

[Midnight Reyn]

Badpie wrote...

What does everyone think of the possibility that not only is James Vega the James in Ash's email, but that they also have or have had a relationship in the time that Shepard was gone?

One one hand I think it would add an interesting dimension to the relationship of Ash and Shepard and Shepard and Vega.

On the other hand, I can't decide if that would be kind of a hack writing move.

DISCUSS.

I could go either way on this as I agree with both your points. It would be interesting, but it also has the potential to become soap opera drama and in the final game of a series I could really do without that.

If Vega were the James mentioned and he and Ash had had a relationship post the Normandy's demise, I'd much prefer they weren't still together when they are both on the squad with Shepard. A prior relationship between the two I'd be OK with, but a current relationship? No thanks. I could do without that drama as well.

Having lost so much Shepley content in the second game because of Ash's sidelining and lack of presence in that, I want the third game to be about Shepard and Ashley's relationship, not Shepard and Ashley and some other dude's relationship.

So a prior relationship between them? All well and good. But not a current one. I don't want that.