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ADLegend21 wrote...

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To say she just doesn't care about looks isn't right. She comments on her sister's figure, when she tells Shepard about her family. She says something like, she wished she'd look that good at that age, when Liara tells them how old she is.


I agree with you except for this part.

I, as someone who dislikes the new design, have never said that she doesn't care about her looks. I have, however, said that Ashley has always been about practicality and her new outfit and hairdo is anything but.

The Hairdo maybe, but that outfit is perfectly practical as it is a Casual outfit and even though it is, it still has armor plating on it similar to Moridon's outfit. If it' good enough for a nearly 50 year old Salarian genius, it should be good enough for our Spectre since she does get special weapons and armor due to her status now.Posted Image


The outfit isn't a casual outfit, though. It has so far been presented as her combat outfit.

Furthermore, Mordin's an engineer while Ashley is a frontline soldier. I also don't see the correlation between her Spectre status and the need to abandon additional armour plating.

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Reed, I think the whole moment would be quiet. There's nothing to say. I mean what can you even say looking at that? At best you're choked up and silent. I think Ash would know not to say anything. It's too big of a moment.

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[quote]Badpie wrote...

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I'm actually hoping there's a scene kind of like this just after they escape Earth.  Whether it's just a nice quiet alone moment for Shepard, taking in what's happening or if Ashley (since she's there - whether she's a love interest or not) could walk in and share that quiet moment in some way. 

Oh man, either way can you imagine being Shepard (or anyone really) and looking at that?   :crying:

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I would love to see this happen.  What a scene it would be!  I agree that it would be a quite moment as well.  The silence shared between them in a moment like that would speak louder than words anyway.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Chignon wrote...

elektrego wrote...

To say she just doesn't care about looks isn't right. She comments on her sister's figure, when she tells Shepard about her family. She says something like, she wished she'd look that good at that age, when Liara tells them how old she is.


I agree with you except for this part.

I, as someone who dislikes the new design, have never said that she doesn't care about her looks. I have, however, said that Ashley has always been about practicality and her new outfit and hairdo is anything but.

The Hairdo maybe, but that outfit is perfectly practical as it is a Casual outfit and even though it is, it still has armor plating on it similar to Moridon's outfit. If it' good enough for a nearly 50 year old Salarian genius, it should be good enough for our Spectre since she does get special weapons and armor due to her status now.Posted Image


The hairdo is more pratcial than the outfit! lol

Heels and no armor to speak of. :mellow:

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Chignon wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Chignon wrote...

elektrego wrote...

To say she just doesn't care about looks isn't right. She comments on her sister's figure, when she tells Shepard about her family. She says something like, she wished she'd look that good at that age, when Liara tells them how old she is.


I agree with you except for this part.

I, as someone who dislikes the new design, have never said that she doesn't care about her looks. I have, however, said that Ashley has always been about practicality and her new outfit and hairdo is anything but.

The Hairdo maybe, but that outfit is perfectly practical as it is a Casual outfit and even though it is, it still has armor plating on it similar to Moridon's outfit. If it' good enough for a nearly 50 year old Salarian genius, it should be good enough for our Spectre since she does get special weapons and armor due to her status now.Posted Image


The outfit isn't a casual outfit, though. It has so far been presented as her combat outfit.

Furthermore, Mordin's an engineer while Ashley is a frontline soldier. I also don't see the correlation between her Spectre status and the need to abandon additional armour plating.

Key phrase there is so far.

Bioware has shown before that they don't mind changing a squadmates class (or Shepard's for that matter since the class can change between games) as Jacob was a biotic solider in Me: Galaxy, but a Vanguard in ME2. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley was now more on an infiltrator now since the AR is no longer soldier exclusive so that doesn't mean she's still a soldier class. plus I doubt they throw Lieutenants on the front line of wars anyway, plus she's a spectre and the council's not as dumb as we think they are.

"Williams, go out on the front lines"

"Are you kidding me?"

"Yeah we are, go join up with Shepard"

"I was gonna sayPosted Image"

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Chignon wrote...

elektrego wrote...

To say she just doesn't care about looks isn't right. She comments on her sister's figure, when she tells Shepard about her family. She says something like, she wished she'd look that good at that age, when Liara tells them how old she is.


I agree with you except for this part.

I, as someone who dislikes the new design, have never said that she doesn't care about her looks. I have, however, said that Ashley has always been about practicality and her new outfit and hairdo is anything but.

The Hairdo maybe, but that outfit is perfectly practical as it is a Casual outfit and even though it is, it still has armor plating on it similar to Moridon's outfit. If it' good enough for a nearly 50 year old Salarian genius, it should be good enough for our Spectre since she does get special weapons and armor due to her status now.Posted Image


The hairdo is more pratcial than the outfit! lol

Heels and no armor to speak of. :mellow:

Legs have armor plates and so do the shoulders.Posted Image

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oh bah... you can't tell me that Ash would be quiet...for a few moments sure. But how long are they gonna stare at the earth being bombarded?

Sure, it'd be a quiet moment... until Shepard turned to walk away and says something short like, "let's get going" and I'd would bet on Ash saying, "Right, it's time for payback..."

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I could imagine something like this while they look at earth:

Shepard: I told them that this was going to happen. Let's go hide this out.
Ashley: *stares angrily at him eyebrow raised* How can you say that?
Shepard: And you thought I didn't have a sense of humor. *walks away*

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

oh bah... you can't tell me that Ash would be quiet...for a few moments sure. But how long are they gonna stare at the earth being bombarded?

Sure, it'd be a quiet moment... until Shepard turned to walk away and says something short like, "let's get going" and I'd would bet on Ash saying, "Right, it's time for payback..."

More like:

Both standing there watching.

Ash: "And we aren't down there fighting because...?"Posted Image
Shep: "oh! right, let's go!"Posted Image

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ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Chignon wrote...

elektrego wrote...

To say she just doesn't care about looks isn't right. She comments on her sister's figure, when she tells Shepard about her family. She says something like, she wished she'd look that good at that age, when Liara tells them how old she is.


I agree with you except for this part.

I, as someone who dislikes the new design, have never said that she doesn't care about her looks. I have, however, said that Ashley has always been about practicality and her new outfit and hairdo is anything but.

The Hairdo maybe, but that outfit is perfectly practical as it is a Casual outfit and even though it is, it still has armor plating on it similar to Moridon's outfit. If it' good enough for a nearly 50 year old Salarian genius, it should be good enough for our Spectre since she does get special weapons and armor due to her status now.Posted Image


The hairdo is more pratcial than the outfit! lol

Heels and no armor to speak of. :mellow:

Legs have armor plates and so do the shoulders.Posted Image


B/c everyone aims for the legs....

and the shoulder plates have ... holes. lmao

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Key phrase there is so far.

Bioware has shown before that they don't mind changing a squadmates class (or Shepard's for that matter since the class can change between games) as Jacob was a biotic solider in Me: Galaxy, but a Vanguard in ME2. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley was now more on an infiltrator now since the AR is no longer soldier exclusive so that doesn't mean she's still a soldier class. plus I doubt they throw Lieutenants on the front line of wars anyway, plus she's a spectre and the council's not as dumb as we think they are.

"Williams, go out on the front lines"

"Are you kidding me?"

"Yeah we are, go join up with Shepard"

"I was gonna sayPosted Image"


I'd agree if it wasn't pure speculation on your part.

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Chignon wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Key phrase there is so far.

Bioware has shown before that they don't mind changing a squadmates class (or Shepard's for that matter since the class can change between games) as Jacob was a biotic solider in Me: Galaxy, but a Vanguard in ME2. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley was now more on an infiltrator now since the AR is no longer soldier exclusive so that doesn't mean she's still a soldier class. plus I doubt they throw Lieutenants on the front line of wars anyway, plus she's a spectre and the council's not as dumb as we think they are.

"Williams, go out on the front lines"

"Are you kidding me?"

"Yeah we are, go join up with Shepard"

"I was gonna sayPosted Image"


I'd agree if it wasn't pure speculation on your part.

but that's all we have right now at  7 months and 3 weeks before the game now don't we?Posted Image

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Legs have armor plates and so do the shoulders.Posted Image


Her knees are padded and the shoulders have cut-outs; I won't even start on the neckline. Very protective indeed. Posted Image

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ADLegend21 wrote...

but that's all we have right now at  7 months and 3 weeks before the game now don't we?Posted Image


As long as it's not facts against speculation, I don't mind.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

oh bah... you can't tell me that Ash would be quiet...for a few moments sure. But how long are they gonna stare at the earth being bombarded?

Sure, it'd be a quiet moment... until Shepard turned to walk away and says something short like, "let's get going" and I'd would bet on Ash saying, "Right, it's time for payback..."

More like:

Both standing there watching.

Ash: "And we aren't down there fighting because...?"Posted Image
Shep: "oh! right, let's go!"Posted Image



Well, maybe I just like it when she says... payback! lol!!!

like when you first meet her on Eden Prime...
http://www.youtube.c...=3-zDvTSkhqk]go to about 4:58[/url]

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I do have to say, it's not the criticism I resent, it's the...manner in which it's given. Like, "Nice suit, Ashley, give it back to Miranda,", like only Miranda can pull it off, like we can give her some sort of poetic license but Ashley is not allowed such a luxury. Or like every other female in the series can dress completely inappropriately for heavy combat, but when one more does it---and she's by no means the worst offender--it's suddenly an issue.

And I've said it before, but I really dislike the constant mentioning of Miranda.

That being said, even though I found Ash's outfit acceptable--not great, acceptable--I am relieved she'll get to wear armor. Since in ME2 everyone had their own unique look, I'll take a guess and say her suit serves as the bare template, for which various kinds of armor can be added upon.


Being one of those who don't like it I would like to say that it's not about Miranda being able or not able to pull it off.  I don't think she does.  My first playthrough had me rolling my eyes at anything Miranda said regarding her looks or whenever it was brought up.  I just found her ridiculous.  The fact that she clears the engine room just to get it on with Shepard only serves to heighten that feeling.  Granted when it came to the direction of the women in-game and Thane, and Jacob...I think that's it, I couldn't not find something that I felt was face-palm worthy.  

While Jack was a cliche that surprisingly didn't want to get it on with female Shepard (not that I had any intentions of pursuing her.  I just hated how much of a cliche she was and never wanted her from the outset of her first video reveal), I felt that Miranda was an insult to me.  Not me personally, but the part of me that considers myself a mature adult male.  The camera angles didn't help either.  So when I see Ashley in that get-up I'm not thinking that she can't carry that look.  She can.  I just think she's being diminished.  ME2 set a bad precedent in my mind and I'm not comfortable with someone upending a character for what seems to be sexual gratification on whatever level they're going for.  

Ashley's look in E3 and the recolor picture is why I have constantly made a reference to my thinking this is Bioware's retaliation against L'Etoile.  Looking at his blog it would appear that conflicts in the writing of ME resulted in Drew's move to TOR.  Enter Mac Walters whose direction, as evidenced by the comics, leads me to believe that there was more conflict and L'Etoile left what he felt was a bad situation.  I don't know the specifics, but with what's available I can only make assumptions as reasonably as I know how.

I do have to say that I'm surprised in how people want everyone to just relax because the looks of the character may not mean much in-game when gaming is first and foremost a visual medium.  We have to look at these images, characters, and lanscapes during the course of the game.  Every visual piece adds to the atmosphere that's supposed to invoke a particular or several types of feelings in any one area at any time.  So if I see one character that was written a certain way in what's supposed to be the foundation of the series looking contrary to what her views were in that foundation, I have no other option than to judge that book by its cover.  So I and anyone who expresses derision towards that look are expressing what we feel is a hijacking of Ashley's character before it's set in stone of what's supposed to be the roof of (what many deem) a straw house on top of a strong foundation.

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I still think it would hold more weight if the moment were totally silent. The "payback" line would cheapen it I think.

And are we still railing about how Ash's new outfit ISN'T armor? Duh. IT'S NOT ARMOR. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER ARMOR YET.

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Badpie wrote...

I still think it would hold more weight if the moment were totally silent. The "payback" line would cheapen it I think.

And are we still railing about how Ash's new outfit ISN'T armor? Duh. IT'S NOT ARMOR. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER ARMOR YET.



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Badpie wrote...

I still think it would hold more weight if the moment were totally silent. The "payback" line would cheapen it I think.

And are we still railing about how Ash's new outfit ISN'T armor? Duh. IT'S NOT ARMOR. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER ARMOR YET.


Whether it cheapens it or not.... I just think that is something Ash would say. Besides... technically... it'd be after "the moment." :P

Just commenting on what's being said... 

ADL thinks the hairdo is more impractical than her current "armor" ... I disagree... hence, the posting. lol

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Badpie wrote...

I still think it would hold more weight if the moment were totally silent. The "payback" line would cheapen it I think.

And are we still railing about how Ash's new outfit ISN'T armor? Duh. IT'S NOT ARMOR. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER ARMOR YET.


"Railing about"? Thanks, Badpie. Posted Image

No, judging by the E3 demo it's just the outfit she wears while going into combat.

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xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I still think it would hold more weight if the moment were totally silent. The "payback" line would cheapen it I think.

And are we still railing about how Ash's new outfit ISN'T armor? Duh. IT'S NOT ARMOR. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER ARMOR YET.


Whether it cheapens it or not.... I just think that is something Ash would say. Besides... technically... it'd be after "the moment." :P

Just commenting on what's being said... 

ADL thinks the hairdo is more impractical than her current "armor" ... I disagree... hence, the posting. lol

what did you read, Reed? I said it wasn't practical but the outfit was.Posted Image

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Chignon wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I still think it would hold more weight if the moment were totally silent. The "payback" line would cheapen it I think.

And are we still railing about how Ash's new outfit ISN'T armor? Duh. IT'S NOT ARMOR. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER ARMOR YET.


"Railing about"? Thanks, Badpie. Posted Image

No, judging by the E3 demo it's just the outfit she wears while going into combat.

but she wasn't IN combat. Shepard was (in his T-shirt and cargo pants) Ashley was on the ship, helping Shepard on board and giving covering fire. That's hardly a combat situation.

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The E3 trailer is an unfinished product. Casey Hudson said she gets armor and a helmet. Whether or not she wears it in that scene, during the surprise attack is irrelevant.

We have the same amount of limited info we always had an I for one am tired of arguing in circles about it. That's all. Not begrudging anyone's opinion on whether or not they like her new look. I'm just not understanding what's so hard to get about it not being the only or final look.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Badpie wrote...

I still think it would hold more weight if the moment were totally silent. The "payback" line would cheapen it I think.

And are we still railing about how Ash's new outfit ISN'T armor? Duh. IT'S NOT ARMOR. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER ARMOR YET.


Whether it cheapens it or not.... I just think that is something Ash would say. Besides... technically... it'd be after "the moment." :P

Just commenting on what's being said... 

ADL thinks the hairdo is more impractical than her current "armor" ... I disagree... hence, the posting. lol

what did you read, Reed? I said it wasn't practical but the outfit was.Posted Image


That's what I said (I said impractical... which means not practical right? lol)... you think the hair makes less sense than what she's wearing... or what she's wearing is practical but the hair isn't, right?

Whereas, I think the hair is more practical than the "armor". 

lol... apparently we both have bad reading comprehension skillz...

have an Ash:

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@Reed bah, curse my spaztastic dyslexia XD