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[bpzrn]

Is the Ash romance worth a second play though? I finished with Tali as my first from an ME2 import. I really have no interest in playing to the end given the limited and vague endings.

Thoughts? If I do play again I will stop before I enter the magical beam

[Complistic]

bpzrn wrote...

Is the Ash romance worth a second play though? I finished with Tali as my first from an ME2 import. I really have no interest in playing to the end given the limited and vague endings.

Thoughts? If I do play again I will stop before I enter the magical beam

It's really well done. You should also do it with a different play through though to make everything more interesting for you.

Modifié par Complistic, 13 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[bpzrn]

Ahh thanks, so don't import my ME1 - ME2 Ash one?

[xAmilli0n]

clonedoriginzero wrote...

i'd just like to jump in and say ME3's ashley romance was probably the most well done ive seen so far.

because
it feels the most real. theres actual problems. they fight, they get
over it, and ultimately it makes them stronger for it. it has its flaws
and im glad it does because relationships have flaws, no such thing as a
perfect happy relationship, so thats why the ash romance is my
favorite. because it actually feels real, some of the other ones feel
like cheap soap opera romances from daytime tv int he middle of a sci-fi
epic. feels out of place. but with ash, just feels right.

just thought i'd share my opinion. carry on!

^ I definitely agree with you. But I can also see where others were a bit disappointed. Compared to a few other characters, the amount of relevant mid game dialogue was definitely less than ideal. We all had high expectations for reuniting with our favorite character. I wont say that the other romances were better or worse (I haven't done all of them, and that really is simply opinion) but I definitely feel Ashley's is my favorite.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 13 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[Arppis]

Ashley didn't have much to say in this game. Really.

[CptData]

bpzrn wrote...

Is the Ash romance worth a second play though? I finished with Tali as my first from an ME2 import. I really have no interest in playing to the end given the limited and vague endings.

Thoughts? If I do play again I will stop before I enter the magical beam

Short answer: yes. Whenever you have a dedicated scene with Ashley, she feels like a real person and has some of the most beautiful moments in the game. She also has one of the funniest.

However - long answer:

Arppis wrote...

Ashley didn't have much to say in this game. Really.

The lack of interaction between every stage of dedicated scenes destroys the illusion of a relationship. Right now, Liara's romance feels pretty much complete since she got some really great moments. Ashley's romance -is- complete but the flaws are far more prominent. It's caused by cut content: a lot of Ashley's lines in the script never made it in the actual game. There were even lines hinting Ash & Shepard spend more than just a night together (the one seen on screen). Also it's hinted Ashley moved to Shepard's cabin in the script, but that also got cut.

With those scenes, Ashley's romance would feel far more complete and the illusion would be perfect ...

Maybe some patches will introduce additional lines, also there are rumors going around about a LI-DLC. I doubt it's going to happen 'though.

[L44]

Maybe someone in here will know the answer to this...

I want to continue my relationship with Ashley from ME1 in ME3, but Miranda was my LI in ME2 and I don't want her to die. People are saying if you break up with Miranda she automatically dies even if you warn her about Kai Leng and give her Alliance support. If I don't break things off with Miranda the first time I see her will that cut Ashley's romance off? Or will I have a chance to choose between them later on?

[Titan98RG]

CptData wrote...

Right now, Liara's romance feels pretty much complete since she got some really great moments.

i agree.  even when not romancing liara, liara gets what i feel are the more poignant scenes with shepard.

[Sylvianus]

I loved ash romance in M3.

" Shepard, I love you ! "

* squeeeeeee *

Modifié par Sylvianus, 13 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[CptData]

Titan98RG wrote...

CptData wrote...

Right now, Liara's romance feels pretty much complete since she got some really great moments.

i agree.  even when not romancing liara, liara gets what i feel are the more poignant scenes with shepard.

The interesting part is: I don't feel jealous of Liara!fans. They earned it. I'm glad at least Liara got a truly fulfilling romance / friendship arc. Same for Garrus, who's going to be the one for my final mission, next to Ashley. Which means for my Infiltrator Shepard: three snipers on the field ...

I'm just sad Ash didn't get the same treatment here. She got taken out for half of the game and most of her scenes happened before she came back. However, the more powerful scenes happen AFTER her return.

Whatever. Headcanon is at 200% and fills the gaps ...

##########

Ashley: Skip ... did you see Liara? Never saw her like that - entirely broken.
Shepard: She believed Thessia would weather out the war nearly unharmed. Returning to home just to see how it gets burned down ...
Ashley: We saw it on Earth too. And we're still fighting for our home.
Shepard: And we believe we can save Earth. Liara doesn't ... or didn't. I talked to her. Told her once everything is over, Thessia can be rebuilt. Like Palaven or Earth.
Ashley: You're a good friend to her ...
Shepard: You are a good friend too, Ash. We all are. Liara is not alone.
Ashley: Neither you are, keep that in mind. You're not fighting this alone. Not this time.
Shepard: Thanks, Ash.
Ashley: So, what's our next step then? Kicking someone's ass for that mess we're stickin' in?
Shepard: Think it's time to face the fiend's right hand. Cerberus. We still need that data.
Ashley: So it's the illusive man's head this time? Count me in. He brought you back and took you away from me at the same time. And that's something ... I can't forget or forgive.
Shepard: Neither can I.
Ashley: Just promise me one thing: take me with you. I want to put my boomstick at his head. I want answers and then ...
Shepard: Ash, alive he's far more useful than death.
Ashley: I don't think so, Skip. But I won't kill him until you give the sign.
Shepard: Taking his life won't bring back millions of dead. Ash, you're better than him. You're no murderer.
Ashley: Revenge ... Skipper ... maybe you're right. Death closes all - and is far more merciful. Okay. You have my word - I won't kill him. Still - someone has to pay for Earth, Thessia, Palaven ... for all those dead people...
Shepard: The Reapers will pay, Ash. I promise. And once they're gone, we ... will build us a future. Just you and me.
Ashley: Damn right, Skip.

(Not as good as I thought but still better than no dialogue)

[Complistic]

She wasn't part of your squad for the first part of the game, but she still had plenty of conversations even then. If they had just stuck her on the citadel and you were unable to talk to her, it'd be different but she was never forgotten.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how some of you feel she got the short end of the stick. You should go run through ME2 again and come back to me.

[bpzrn]

"I'm just sad Ash didn't get the same treatment here. She got taken out for half of the game and most of her scenes happened before she came back. However, the more powerful scenes happen AFTER her return."

Why doe sBW take out this content, its what dirves teh emotinal attachment to teh game and I think it seprates this game from the other standard crap ou tthere.

/ sigh...

I would rather wait 6 more months and get the complete game experience then have gaps like you describe, I plan to play my Ash save and check it out I am sure your right on with the observations.

[CptData]

Complistic wrote...

She wasn't part of your squad for the first part of the game, but she still had plenty of conversations even then. If they had just stuck her on the citadel and you were unable to talk to her, it'd be different but she was never forgotten.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how some of you feel she got the short end of the stick. You should go run through ME2 again and come back to me.

Compared against Vega or Garrus who had plenty of conversations - not only 'cause they're part of your team for (nearly) the entire game but also in late game - Ash lacks some dialogue between her defining scenes.

See, I simply dislike the fact she's acting entirely professional in case she's romanced. Since she's in one of the observatory rooms and NOT "on duty", it feels strange, don't you think.
I'm not demanding full blown dialogue scenes or something - just less generic lines and more dialogue that shows feelings between both.

Pretty much like what BW did for Garrus. Heck with it, after nearly every single Priority Mission you have a full blown dialogue while Ashley's full dialogues are rare. That gives the idea we got the short end of the stick. Compared against several other characters like ME2 staff and Allers, we got still far more content, but Garrus, Liara, Vega and even Traynor top it.

And since you mentioned ME2: basically, Ash/Kaidan -get- ME2 treatment in first part of ME3 after getting hurt on Mars. If you don't visit them on the Citadel and kill them / shove them to the war assets list, you have not much more than Earth + Mars which basically feels like the treatment of ME2 characters in ME3.
But at least you can decide what to do with the VS.

Still, feels incomplete to me, especially since I know what was planned for them - and what made it into the game. It's like nearly a third of the convos with the VS got cut.

Modifié par CptData, 13 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Ashii6]

@CptData; Could you send me a pm with these things that were planned for Ash? I'm really curious about them, and since Ash doesn't really have much to say aboard the Normandy it is pretty disappointing.

[Mr. Brainheart]

bpzrn wrote...

"I'm just sad Ash didn't get the same treatment here. She got taken out for half of the game and most of her scenes happened before she came back. However, the more powerful scenes happen AFTER her return."

Why doe sBW take out this content, its what dirves teh emotinal attachment to teh game and I think it seprates this game from the other standard crap ou tthere.

/ sigh...

I would rather wait 6 more months and get the complete game experience then have gaps like you describe, I plan to play my Ash save and check it out I am sure your right on with the observations.

Haven't seen the romance/date yet, but I have to say I'm pretty satisfied with what we get. Yes Garrus gets some more conversation and Ash doesn't have a lot of witty lines this time around, but really, she still gets plenty of screen time. So far Mars and the three Citadel chats (well two chats and a monologue) were well done and long enough to tide me over for a few missions with just a few comments afterwards.

As for the cut content...well there could have been any number of reasons to cut it out.

[Ashii6]

Pleae, tell me I wasn't the only person, who reacted " Awwww :3 " when I saw Ash like that:

[ebevan91]

Ashii6 wrote...

@CptData; Could you send me a pm with these things that were planned for Ash? I'm really curious about them, and since Ash doesn't really have much to say aboard the Normandy it is pretty disappointing.

Hit me up with that PM as well.

I'm interested.

[CptData]

Ashii6 wrote...

Pleae, tell me I wasn't the only person, who reacted " Awwww :3 " when I saw Ash like that:

This was one of the most hilarious scenes in the entire game. Another scene is Garrus' Sniper lesson

[Cossack72]

ebevan91 wrote...

Ashii6 wrote...

@CptData; Could you send me a pm with these things that were planned for Ash? I'm really curious about them, and since Ash doesn't really have much to say aboard the Normandy it is pretty disappointing.

Hit me up with that PM as well.

I'm interested.

Same here.

Also hungover Ash completely shatters the cuteness meter

She might've fared better if she used an emergency induction port though, but I digress

Modifié par Cossack72, 13 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[Ashii6]

CptData wrote...

Ashii6 wrote...

Pleae, tell me I wasn't the only person, who reacted " Awwww :3 " when I saw Ash like that:

This was one of the most hilarious scenes in the entire game. Another scene is Garrus' Sniper lesson

Oh yes. Garru's Sniper lesson is great, but drunk Ash is 100% better. My only regret is that Shep couldn't join her!

@Down: Shep can get drunk. Check Purgatory and its bar

Modifié par Ashii6, 13 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[CptData]

Ashii6 wrote...
Oh yes. Garru's Sniper lesson is great, but drunk Ash is 100% better. My only regret is that Shep couldn't join her!

Kinda unfair. Shepard can't get drunk - his liver got replaced by tech. Hey, remember when someone tried to poison Shepard? All he did was to go down, came back and talked that Batarian to death. So to speak. So Ash & Shep drinking together would end with a drunk Ashley and a Shepard that's still pretty much sober.

Definitely love that drunk scene. It's so cute - and it proves you don't need explosions and such to create a powerful scene. It's just there ... and real.

[pprrff]

I feel that I need to defend Bioware, at least when it comes to their characters. This is not specifically directed at any particular comment here but more of an overall response to a lot complaints or comparisons people made.

They dropped the ball on ME3 in many ways, but I feel character narrative was one of the stronger points in the game. I get the feeling that people don't really appreciate how unique those characters are from each other, I don't think it's fair to draw comparison between Ashley and Liara or Garrus to Kaidan, they are just different and here is why:

1) Loyalty: Garrus and Liara's loyalty to Shepard are more absolute. Think about it. Liara belongs to no other organizations, once she got on Normandy her goal was to fight Saren and the Reapers along with Shepard. Garrus used to be C-sec, but that bond was resolved pretty early in the game, so he is in the same situation as Liara.

For for Wrex, Ashley (What I say about her almost always applies to Kaidan too), and Tali, their loyalty are more complex. They have to split their loyalty between Shepard and their other duty to clan, fleet and corp.

2) Betrayal: In ME2, when Shepard works with Cerberus, Shepard did in a sense betray Ashley and Kaidan. Other people frowns upon Cerberus, but the Alliance is legitimately threaten by it. Cerberus is much more of a threat to the Alliance than it is to others. Given how high up TIM was able to plant agents, and look how many Cerberus people used to be Alliance. That's why Ashley would be more hostile to Shepard.

3) Motivation: It doesn't make much difference to the Tali or Garrus whether Shepard is Alliance, Cerberus or a crazy man with a ship, the uniform is not why they follow him. You can't say the same for Ashley or the other human crew. Being part of the same military outfit is such an important part of the relationship that leaving the Alliance in ME2 would be a giant shock to her.

So yea, some is it is pretty old dating back to the second game but I feel it goes a long way to explain some of the interaction in this game.

Modifié par pprrff, 13 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[CptData]

pprrff: think we're on the same side if I say, the dedicated Ashley-scenes are pretty much perfect. I loved her arguments on Mars, I loved the scenes in the Hospital, the date, the drunk scene ... yep, great work here and absolutely IC. Lack of the word "Skipper" is a very light issue.

However, I'm more talking about the stuff that got cut: Ashley has very few generic lines and the few she has are strictly professional. Since you easily can spend 50+ hours in the game, that's kinda annoying: Ashley has 30 minutes of deticaded scenes, if at all, and almost no generic dialogue / post-mission lines.
Can live with that, but it feels a bit incomplete if you ask me, especially compared to Garrus.

[Complistic]

CptData wrote...

pprrff: think we're on the same side if I say, the dedicated Ashley-scenes are pretty much perfect. I loved her arguments on Mars, I loved the scenes in the Hospital, the date, the drunk scene ... yep, great work here and absolutely IC. Lack of the word "Skipper" is a very light issue.

However, I'm more talking about the stuff that got cut: Ashley has very few generic lines and the few she has are strictly professional. Since you easily can spend 50+ hours in the game, that's kinda annoying: Ashley has 30 minutes of deticaded scenes, if at all, and almost no generic dialogue / post-mission lines.
Can live with that, but it feels a bit incomplete if you ask me, especially compared to Garrus.

Garrus is a fan favorite, He is the most popular squad mate by their data collection so he's a special case. You can't really compare the two from Bioware's stand point. Vegas gaurenteed to be there and so is Liara. Tali who's also incredibly popular but she has way less dialogue than Ashley so you should be absolutely thrilled with what you got.

There could always be more dialogue, always. But you just weren't ever going to get as much as Liara gets. I guess if you were expecting that I can see where you'd be disappointed but you shouldn't have in the first place.

[CptData]

Complistic wrote...

Garrus is a fan favorite, He is the most popular squad mate by their data collection so he's a special case. You can't really compare the two from Bioware's stand point. Vegas gaurenteed to be there and so is Liara. Tali who's also incredibly popular but she has way less dialogue than Ashley so you should be absolutely thrilled with what you got.

There could always be more dialogue, always. But you just weren't ever going to get as much as Liara gets. I guess if you were expecting that I can see where you'd be disappointed but you shouldn't have in the first place.

I can see why you're saying that. However, several stuff works against that:

- the VS got a reduced role already: s/he is only available for half of the game (post Udina). It's pretty much easy to give some more dialogue to them without hitting the same amount of lines like for Liara or Garrus - both are with you for nearly the entire length of the game.

- Garrus can get killed in ME2, so it's not guaranteed he's alive in ME3. And still he got most dialogue lines of all characters. Fan favorite or not, he seriously got some amazing stuff.

And still, the VS gets far less lines, maybe just 10% of the lines Garrus got.


I'm not sure if you get my idea or why I'm complaining here. The VS got sidelined for half of the game and the rest of the game, when you can have him or her with you, s/he rarely has to say anything. Why was it so difficult to give Ash / Kaidan some proper dialogue for the rest of the game? As I said, Garrus isn't guaranteed to be with you, although once he survived ME2, he can't die in ME3 before the final mission, same for Vega and Liara.

And I'm not saying the VS should get the same amount of lines. I'm saying, the VS should get some more lines hinting s/he has feelings for Shepard if romanced.

That's a huge difference, buddy