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[Made Nightwing]

Watching the Youtube video where Ash gets killed defending the Council, and I was pleased to see that the overwhelming majority of comments were people going, "WTF, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! How do I go back and save her?!"

Feels good that Ashley is getting the respect she deserves for her role in ME3

[ADLegend21]

of course. She was never a villian, she was uncorruptable as Udina said.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I'm so in love with Ashley. Can't resist her

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Every moment with Ashley is special

[PMC65]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Watching the Youtube video where Ash gets killed defending the Council, and I was pleased to see that the overwhelming majority of comments were people going, "WTF, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! How do I go back and save her?!"

Feels good that Ashley is getting the respect she deserves for her role in ME3

Do you have the link?

[PMC65]

Killing the VS would put Shepard that much closer to being Saren 2.0 - As Saren killed his friend and fellow SpecTRe so Shepard kills his friend and fellow SpecTRe.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Hey anyone know if Ashley's missing a scene or something? I was watching the Kaiden femshep romance, and it seems like he gets two dialogue scenes on the Normandy after he's recruited, and the date thing on the citadel. With Ashley I only got the drunk dialogue, then the date. Did an import from me1 where I romanced her, and no cheating in me2. S does ash not have this scene? Or did I miss it? In it kaidan was talking about Cerberus scientists, then asking about the illusive man and some dr. Cole. Any information on this would be helpful!

-Polite

[Tom Lehrer]

I loved every part with Ashley but to be honest it did feel like she was kinda removed from the whole crew. I think she is the only squadie that does not talk to others either over speaker or by moving to a different part of the ship...hell even the prothean has a talk with Vega, EDI, and drunk Tali.

[dahellraider]

VS need there own dlc for me3 like how they did shadow brooker for you know who, we need more love people.

Modifié par dahellraider, 19 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[CptData]

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

Loved Ashley in ME3, was heart breaking the final conversation with her. Remained loyal through ME2 on the promise of a reunion and it was great, just a shame she never called Shepard skipper. I hope we see more from her but I doubt it, and that hurts even more. BioWare have created an awesome character, I do hope it's not the end for Ash.

Indeed. I loved all of the romantic moments with Ash, including her "don't go" ... it was really, really touching. Think all knew they're going to die, and Ash ... she simply wanted to be with him, in life as well as in death. Overall a very powerful scene. Even the German VA got that situation right - I'm currently doing a second playthrough with the same Shepard - this time with original VA.


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LenabotSE wrote...

She was probably my favorite character in ME1. I don't like my crew to be a bunch of yes-men *ss-kissers, so I admired her strength and independence. She and my Shepard would disagree on matters, but the mission and friendship were always more important than arguing. Her sarcasm was much appreciated, since a lot of the ME1 dialogue was pretty stilted.  She was very well-rounded.  Few cast members had flaws, making them flatter, and her love of poetry was welcomed. 

Which is why I admire her too. Ash comes with a lot of traits - and most of them are simply what I admire in -real- women: strong, willpowered, tough, straight forward, confident, educated - and that's just her character. I don't have to point at her stunning beauty, right?

Sometimes I wonder if the dislike comes down to it being a gender thing. Liara and Tali? Both strong, but also people who are going to ultimately agree with whatever you say. People love them. Ashley, Jack, and Miranda? Also strong, but to the point where they're going to call you on your potential bull****. People aren't necessarily fond of them in the same way. Wrex? He'll be outright nasty to you in ME1, and all the krogan take a more intense stance against other species than Ashley ever does, but people still love the guy. Makes one wonder if it's simply because he has, er, a quad.

Okay. Tbh, I'm no Jack-fan, although she kinda grew on me, especially as protective teacher for her students.
Always loved Miranda, although she never made it on the list "active LIs" since none of my Shepard's could go through ME1 without Ashley and none of them could give her up. Miranda is quite similar to Ash in more than one way.
Ash is Ash

And you're basically right: the main reason, why I think Miranda was a great XO and why Ash should have been Shepard's XO in ME3 is the fact, they both speak their mind. Neither Ash nor Miranda say "yes" if they're totally against Shepard's actions, and that's what a good XO should be: a complement. The worst XO for a CO is one that says "yes" to everything the CO utters, resulting in grief consequences.

Wrex ... I like him. Overall, I don't have "dislikes".

The space racist accusation is stupid. She's so racist that she doesn't even want to associate with you once you get on the Cerberus payroll. Can't please her detractors. She's a "racist" in the first game, but when she calls you out in the second game for working with the actual evil racists, then she's annoying for not obeying everything you say.

Lets say I saw much more "alien racists" like Turians, Asari, Salarians etc. Ashley doesn't seem to be a strong "racists" - she's more or less reserved towards people she doesn't know. Technically, her actions on Horizon and on Mars make sense and hit the same nail: she doesn't know Shepard anymore. Ashley HAS a soft side, a beautiful character - but she conceales it with her tough outside and distrust to anyone. That includes aliens as well.
Just remember: Ash respects and trusts Garrus, sees Tali as a little sister, may have grudging respect towards Wrex and Liara- and has absolutely no issues with shooting Councilor Udina to protect the rest of the Council

Ashley is no racist. She simply doesn't trust someone easily. Once she does, she catches a bullet for that person, regardless if "it has scales" or not.

Would have romanced her if the same-sex option had been left in for ME1. Shame it wasn't. I remained single. Liara just wasn't my type.

Actually, the one reason why I started a fem!Shep was to go for Ash in ME3. Since it's not possible I wonder if I continue this Shepard: either for Kaidan or for Samantha Traynor.

Apart from the drunk scene, which was gold, I'm not sure if I liked how she was in ME3. Kind of a shadow of her former self, and all the best lines were reserved for love-interest stuff. Feels like Garrus absorbed all her sarcastic energy in ME2 and ME3. Had some zingers in ME1, but never as much as he did in latter games. Ash felt pretty dry and more down-to-business in ME3. Her lack of full dialogue didn't help.

Yep. Garrus displays how the VS should have been treated. He got a lot of great lines, interacts with nearly every other squadmate and is really fascinating. Vega has also a lot of Gold lines.

Ashley has even less lines than Kaidan and Kaidan has only more content since he's available for both genders. Also lack of "Skipper" damages Ashley's character a bit. Seriously, she called Shepard "Skipper" every convo in ME1 as soon as the romance started to progress. In ME3, she usually calls him Shepard or Commander, which is rather cold. I can accept it for the first half of the game since the romance didn't kick in yet (or is still too damaged), but seriously, rest of game? Even if BW doesn't want to redo the romance scenes, Ash should get some generic dialogue lines with "Skipper". It shouldn't be too difficult to add, especially since both, Kaidan and Ash, definitely need more generic dialogue lines as well.

There's hope for a DLC that deals with the LI "Partners in crime" or something ... it's a rumor. Maybe BW adds extra generic dialogue for the LIs then. Especially since LIs should have different generic dialogue.

I wish they had kept Ash/Kaidan around for the entire series. Seems arbitrary to drop then and add them back in. Now they just feel like outsiders, even amongst the ME1 crew members.

That's caused by the lack of interaction with the rest of the crew. Garrus and Vega do interact with each other and several other crewmembers. Ash/Kaidan are stuck in the observatory room, they never leave it, except for one visit on the Citadel (Ashley: 'cause of Sarah), battle and the last night before the final battle.
So you're right: they feel more like "extra" than an integral part of the crew. Which is really sad ...
ME3's team dynamics are a really important part of the gaming experience and should have been in ME1 and ME2 too.

Modifié par CptData, 19 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[CptData]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Watching the Youtube video where Ash gets killed defending the Council, and I was pleased to see that the overwhelming majority of comments were people going, "WTF, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! How do I go back and save her?!"

Feels good that Ashley is getting the respect she deserves for her role in ME3

Killing Ash / Kaidan in cold blood ... ouch. It simply feels wrong, like murder. You can't even say the VS was a threat in that scene. 

I'm
glad people start to like both - although the following content is not really satisfying, especially if the VS is not your romance. Ash/Kaidan are "just there", but no longer contributing anything to the story.

PMC65 wrote...

Killing the VS would put Shepard that much closer to being Saren 2.0 - As Saren killed his friend and fellow SpecTRe so Shepard kills his friend and fellow SpecTRe.

As I said: it feels like murder, nothing else. I doubt Shepard EVER will go down that route, at least my Shepards won't.

dahellraider wrote...

VS need there own dlc for me3 like how they did shadow brooker for you know who, we need more love people.

Definitely.

VS-DLC Poll

Modifié par CptData, 19 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[CptData]

jreezy wrote...

CptData wrote...

VS-DLC Poll

I voted.

I see.

Woa ... a lot of guys want "MOAR". Maybe it's a bit biased since I posted the link here and in the Kaidan thread - and a lot of guys are disappointed by the lack of interactions with the VS -outside- of the romances / romance scenes.

Doubt BW is going to change that, however, it kinda feels good I'm not alone with the feeling "the VS needed more attention".

Will post the link as separate thread too.

Modifié par CptData, 19 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Phobius9]

You know, I could have sworn that she does call you Skipper. Can't think of the scene, but I would have put money on it. Hmmmm....

I agree that she is sadly lacking in crew-banter, and feels a little lonely on her own in the observation lounge. However I do feel that Bioware brought their A-Game when it came to writing her LI dialogue. Having watched the conversations with the rest of the crew, I still think Ash's is some of the best. There is a whole sense of re-kindling a relationship that seems to be missing from the others somehow.

[CptData]

Phobius9 wrote...

You know, I could have sworn that she does call you Skipper. Can't think of the scene, but I would have put money on it. Hmmmm....

I agree that she is sadly lacking in crew-banter, and feels a little lonely on her own in the observation lounge. However I do feel that Bioware brought their A-Game when it came to writing her LI dialogue. Having watched the conversations with the rest of the crew, I still think Ash's is some of the best. There is a whole sense of re-kindling a relationship that seems to be missing from the others somehow.

Sure: the romance itself was perfectly executed. It's just ... lets say, it feels as if you have two Ashleys. One that loves you - she's the Ash we know. And one that acts as if you were just a co-worker: professional, nothing else. Compared against Ashley in ME1, who were pretty much playful with Kaidan and Shepard, this Ashley feels like a different person.

That kinda damages the illusion of a live relationship - or that Ash is part of the crew at all. She feels "extra".

[shot_u]

In fact, you guys pointed out everything I love in Ash. Especially the first encounter with her - she wasn't such a hopeless lady waiting for rescue, you could almost feel how strong that woman is. "It's time for payback" - enough said.

It's a crime to to compare her to Liara, who was the most annoying character for me in ME1 (hopefully she got better in ME3). Whatever you said to her, she was ready to tell you how interesting you are, and how awesome that is to be on board with Shep. To be with Ash, you must work really hard, it's a challenge. And that is really adorable.

And:

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Hey anyone know if Ashley's missing a scene or something? I was watching the Kaiden femshep romance, and it seems like he gets two dialogue scenes on the Normandy after he's recruited, and the date thing on the citadel. With Ashley I only got the drunk dialogue, then the date. Did an import from me1 where I romanced her, and no cheating in me2. S does ash not have this scene? Or did I miss it? In it kaidan was talking about Cerberus scientists, then asking about the illusive man and some dr. Cole. Any information on this would be helpful!

-Polite

I was going to ask the same thing.

During my reaaly boring lecture I was watching Kaidan's dialogues with Shep and comparing them to those that Ashley has. I found much more real conversations beetwen Shep/Kaidan, not those "Kasumi-Zaeed-style". With Ashley I can only remember about this one when she asks for joining the Normandy, then she is drunk, then reunion on the citadel, captain's cabin and goodbye. And here, with Kaidan, they have got pretty the samee stuff, plus this:


and this


So, did I miss some action with miss Williams, or it's just how it should be?

Modifié par shot_u, 19 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[shot_u]

Double post...

Modifié par shot_u, 19 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[CptData]

You didn't miss anything, shot_u.

Ashley's romance got cut by at least one scene where Shepard mentions her hair. I can go through the leaked files and look for that dialogue if you want, but may take a while since I'm @ work.

I dunno if there's another scene. But heard it too: Ashley's romance is still beautiful but got some cuts while Kaidan's romance appears to be intact. However, BOTH character suffer heavily from lack of between-romance-scenes-interaction, Ash a bit more than Kaidan, since Kaidan talks at least to Adams at a point, while Ashley doesn't talk to anyone at all.

Dunno why BW decided to reduce Ashley's content ... after all, she got saved in 60% of the playthroughs (poor Kaidan) from what I heard ...

[shot_u]

Thanks CptData. Of course, if You can find this dialogue later, I'll be grateful. Only heard bout it, but never seen it.

No matter what - story between Shep and Ash is really well made. We'll see, maybe in future, via DLC's, it will get longer.

CptData wrote...Dunno why BW decided to reduce Ashley's content ... after all, she got saved in 60% of the playthroughs (poor Kaidan) from what I heard ...

According to all posts I've read, I would totally say that there is more Kaidan fans. It's good to hear that some people gave up their "nuke that racist" comments . And decided to save the Hellcat!

Modifié par shot_u, 19 mars 2012 - 12:49 .

[CptData]

shot_u wrote...

Thanks CptData. Of course, if You can find this dialogue later, I'll be grateful. Only heard bout it, but never seen it.

No matter what - story between Shep and Ash is really well made. We'll see, maybe in future, via DLC's, it will get longer.

CptData wrote...Dunno why BW decided to reduce Ashley's content ... after all, she got saved in 60% of the playthroughs (poor Kaidan) from what I heard ...

According to all posts I've read, I would totally say that there is more Kaidan fans. It's good to hear that some people gave up their "nuke that racist" comments . And decided to save the Hellcat!

Think Ashley's fans are less active. Kaidan's fans are -really- active, plus, they also have the gay!Kaidan romancers flocking in while Ash is available to straight Shepards only. Also keep in mind this is at least the THIRD Ashley fan thread - I dunno if Kaidan's thread has two predecessors as well.

It doesn't matter - Ash & Kaidan fans are pretty much united as fandom - which I really like. It's just amazing to get over into the Kaidan thread, post some stuff regarding BOTH VS - and no one takes an offense or feels hurt. Also it works the other way around; some of my friends here on BSN are Kaidanmancers only and it's great to talk with them about the VS romances in general.

[shot_u]

CptData wrote...

It doesn't matter - Ash & Kaidan fans are pretty much united as fandom - which I really like. It's just amazing to get over into the Kaidan thread, post some stuff regarding BOTH VS - and no one takes an offense or feels hurt. Also it works the other way around; some of my friends here on BSN are Kaidanmancers only and it's great to talk with them about the VS romances in general.

Yep, we're all in this together, lot of fans wish to have both of them in squad. And, as You said, that's great people stay united, it will be useful during next weeks, with all that DLC discussions. Seems like I should visit Kaidan topic

Modifié par shot_u, 19 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[CptData]

shot_u wrote...

Yep, we're all in this together, lot of fans wish to have both of them in squad. And, as You said, that's great people stay united, it will be useful during next weeks, with all that DLC discussions. Seems like I should visit Kaidan topic

Just for the record, I'm of the supporters of "Kaidan + Ashley romance". If you could have both with you and wouldn't go for a romance with one of them, they could fall for each other one day. However, it never happened.

By the way: when you create a new Shepard in ME3, it says Ashley/Kaidan and Shepard have created a very intense bond. When does this have any influence in the game?

[Clone 071]

CptData wrote...

I dunno if there's another scene. But heard it too: Ashley's romance is still beautiful but got some cuts while Kaidan's romance appears to be intact. However, BOTH character suffer heavily from lack of between-romance-scenes-interaction, Ash a bit more than Kaidan, since Kaidan talks at least to Adams at a point, while Ashley doesn't talk to anyone at all.

Can't say this helps, rather just adding on, but Kaidan is also seen in the lounge at some point with Vega playing poker or some card game and has a bit of dialogue there.

And I did vote on your poll as well.

[shot_u]

CptData wrote...

By the way: when you create a new Shepard in ME3, it says Ashley/Kaidan and Shepard have created a very intense bond. When does this have any influence in the game?

As far as I checked on youtube, it hasn't got any. Just a description of an option. Romance from ME1 does, there are some differences in dialogues, but it's nothing new. I'm wondering how the "Multiple loss" works, though. Because in demo there were no differences after choosing this.

[shepskisaac]

Anyone has link to memorial scene on Citadel on YouTube? Wanna see it