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[Arban M]

Helmnath wrote...

Arban M wrote...

Hello Ashley fans!

I'm a Ashley fan as well, have followed this thread for some days now and wanted to say hello to all other Ashley fans in here.

Hi right back at ya, glad to have you with us  

or as Ashley would say or at least she did on my wanderings through the observe deck 'Good to see you'

Thanks for the welcome .

[Arban M]

Helmnath wrote...

Arban M wrote...

Hello Ashley fans!

I'm a Ashley fan as well, have followed this thread for some days now and wanted to say hello to all other Ashley fans in here.

Hi right back at ya, glad to have you with us  

or as Ashley would say or at least she did on my wanderings through the observe deck 'Good to see you'

Thanks for the welcome .

[Sgt Reed 24]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

First off, this is Sgt Reed 24 .... this is my other account that has my XBL linked to it. So it's the only one I can post in the forums with.

Secondly, I have a bone to pick about ME3 related to Ashley.


Anyone else here think she got seriously gimped on content in this game? I'm sooooooooo disappointed. 
This ruins the game more for me than any terrible ending they could have thought up. 

I agree, the level of content with Ashley was very dissapointing. I was annoyed ... seriously annoyed. 

Now, I should note that I ended up with the friendship path in my game b/c I imported a FemShep that I had modded with the gibbed editor to romance Ashley and it either didn't work or certain choices with Traynor screwed it up... buuuut, I'm hoping the romance version is much better than the crap I got in my first ME3 playthrough!

I mean, seriously, in ME1 after every mission I'd run back to Ashley and have a conversation with her (conversation being the key word there since, ya know, I could actually respond to her!!!) and I COULDN'T WAIT to do so. Now, however, I go to her after each mission and I get a one line thing about how stupid Cerberus is and then "Commander." ... "Good to see you." etc ... that was BEYOND annoying.

I kept waiting for something awesome to happen and.... it never did.

I mean ... there was no interaction with her, it felt completely impersonal and boring. 

[CptData]

Welcome back, Reed :-)

And yes, you and Ash are right. Lack of dialogue with Ash (or any kind of interaction as well) is disappointing. Seriously ... Ashley deserves better. I still hope for a romance!DLC, but God knows when it's going to happen - if at all.

As I said: romance!Ashley is good ol' sexy Ash from ME1. Non-romance Ashley is ... who's this woman? Something like that. The lack of non-romance content is really damaging the illusion of an awesome character.

You know, things get worse before getting better. IF getting better.

Modifié par CptData, 25 mars 2012 - 01:47 .

[Sgt Reed 24]

CptData wrote...

Welcome back, Reed :-)

And yes, you and Ash are right. Lack of dialogue with Ash (or any kind of interaction as well) is disappointing. Seriously ... Ashley deserves better. I still hope for a romance!DLC, but God knows when it's going to happen - if at all.

As I said: romance!Ashley is good ol' sexy Ash from ME1. Non-romance Ashley is ... who's this woman? Something like that. The lack of non-romance content is really damaging the illusion of an awesome character.

You know, things get worse before getting better. IF getting better.

Thanks Data.


And I really hope that the romance path changes my outlook on Ash in this game. I mean otherwise... it's just... ugh.

It also seemed like she had less banter with squadmates on the missions than others did. I took her on almost every mission other than the ones where I couldn't and it seemed like she talked less than the others. =/

[Mr. Brainheart]

@Reed; Well gibbed should be able to work, i saw a vid, so I guess you might've been too eager to get along with Traynor

So you didn't get the Citadel date either? well Ashley's content on the citadel is great, the VS has lots of interaction there, but on the Normandy....well..you have the drunk dialogue, aaannd the romance scene, the rest isn't note worthy, so whilst the romance path with Ashley is great and pretty fleshed out, there isn't much noteworthy besides it. (Well her family arc is also worked out well). It's bare-bones.

But honestly, this isn't my problem with it, I was pretty satisfied for the most part, the thing I'm dissapointed about is that we barely explore new grounds with Ash. We don't really learn anything we didn't already know, besides that we learn a bit more about her family.
Biggest question still on my mind: What happened during ME2?

Modifié par Mr. Brainheart, 25 mars 2012 - 02:01 .

[Sgt Reed 24]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

@Reed; Well gibbed should be able to work, i saw a vid, so I guess you might've been too eager to get along with Traynor

That is entirely possible... I'm a sucker for accents! She spoke and I was like... *melt* lmfao

but still, I didn't do the shower romance scene... so... I guess just letting her take a shower stops the Ash-mance? *shrug*

Mr. Brainheart wrote...
So you didn't get the Citadel date either? well Ashley's content on the citadel is great, the VS has lots of interaction there, but on the Normandy....well..you have the drunk dialogue, aaannd the romance scene, the rest isn't note worthy, so whilst the romance path with Ashley is great and pretty fleshed out, there isn't much noteworthy besides it. (Well her family arc is also worked out well). It's bare-bones.

But honestly, this isn't my problem with it, I was pretty satisfied for the most part, the thing I'm dissapointed about is that we barely explore new grounds with Ash. We don't really learn anything we didn't already know, besides that we learn a bit more about her family.
Biggest question still on my mind: What happened during ME2?

Nope, didn't get a date scene... I don't think. I did meet her on the citadel for her sister and I met her on the citadel for like... a little talk at a table about her father and what he was like growing up.

Didn't get a romance scene... so that couldn't be the date scene could it? I have no idea. lol

Well other than not being able to interact with her... (and to me that's a HUGE problem. It's so impersonal...)
yeah, I was looking forward to hearing about what she was up to during ME2... I'm sad to hear there is nothing about that in the game.

[CptData]

Pretty much. Ashley is a perfect example how to waste a ton of opportunities to create the illusion of an alive character.

ME1 did great, Ash was far the most believeable character - and ME3 pretty much damaged that illusion. Compared against Garrus or Vega, she definitely lacks something.

One thing that irks me is the lack of consistent characters in the series, regardless if it's Garrus, Liara, Kaidan, Ashley or anyone else. Okay, Wrex is still Wrex and Tali didn't change that much either (or her development makes some sense). ME2 characters never had the chance for proper development since they got sidelined in ME3 (except Mordin) - so we only can see that issue only with those characters we had to deal with from the beginning.

Ashley definitely didn't get the worst treatment, but it's also not good. It just feels as if BW was running out of time after developing Liara, Garrus and Vega's stuff - and it shows with Ashley, Kaidan and an overwhelming amount of other characters as well.

[Sgt Reed 24]

From what I've heard.... Kaidan was very well done. Haven't done a pt with him in it yet.

[CptData]

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

From what I've heard.... Kaidan was very well done. Haven't done a pt with him in it yet.

He has an extra dialogue and plays cards with Vega. At least he's interacting with some members of the crew. Besides that? Also not complete.

It's a shame BW had no idea with Ashley. Seriously, despite I like the romantic moments, the lack of fluff and interacting is -really- distracting. She's not the Ash I love.

[Sgt Reed 24]

CptData wrote...

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

From what I've heard.... Kaidan was very well done. Haven't done a pt with him in it yet.

He has an extra dialogue and plays cards with Vega. At least he's interacting with some members of the crew. Besides that? Also not complete.

It's a shame BW had no idea with Ashley. Seriously, despite I like the romantic moments, the lack of fluff and interacting is -really- distracting. She's not the Ash I love.

I'd be fine with that... at least then she would leave the damn observation room once!

[Complistic]

lol they bring ashley back for ME3 and you guys actually have the balls to complain there wasnt enough dialogue. Hilairous.

[CptData]

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

I'd be fine with that... at least then she would leave the damn observation room once!

She does. When admitting her love to Shepard. Must say, her love scene was perfectly crafted and is one of the few reasons why I still -love- Ashley.
At least for a short moment she truly felt like the one I used to care for in ME1. And that's darn fine.

Simply want my old Ash back. The straight forward, brutish soldier with a strong flirty attitude and a tendency to smile as soon as Shepard says something nice to her ...

I want this Ashley back:







And yes, she's still beautiful. I want Ashley's character back ...

Complistic wrote...

lol they bring ashley back for ME3 and
you guys actually have the balls to complain there wasnt enough
dialogue. Hilairous.

They brought her back ... a part of her.
It was never about the looks only, Complistic - so the essential part, her character, is missing - or just a shadow of her old self.
Think ME3!Ashley has less lines than ME1!Ashley.

Modifié par CptData, 25 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[TERASQUE]

Actually, on my first playthrough, I didnt think of it as lack of dialogue or interaction, I was damn happy to have her back in love. Wasnt until i played a Liara-playthrough that I thought that any romance seemed less developed. But on the first one, i was still happy. Ignorance is bliss it seems

[Sgt Reed 24]

Complistic wrote...

lol they bring ashley back for ME3 and you guys actually have the balls to complain there wasnt enough dialogue. Hilairous.

LOL @ this entire statement.


Look at Garrus, Vega, Liara, JAVIK.... they all have many more interaction scenes than Ashley (at least a non-romanced Ashley).

And when you've been waiting since ME1 to have your favorite character back and all you get is little one liners about Cerberus that you can't even interact with every time you go talk to your favorite character. Hell yes I'm disappointed and I'm sure as hell gonna complain about it.

[CptData]

TERASQUE wrote...

Actually, on my first playthrough, I didnt think of it as lack of dialogue or interaction, I was damn happy to have her back in love. Wasnt until i played a Liara-playthrough that I thought that any romance seemed less developed. But on the first one, i was still happy. Ignorance is bliss it seems

Kinda. Without exaggerating anything, but I think I have an idea how and who Ashley truly is

In ME1, she had something to say something in nearly any situation. Main missions? Ash had an oppinion, and she didn't fear to utter her disapproval or approval whenever Shepard was about to do an important decision.
While not at missions, she still had to say something. After each main mission OR every five side missions the romance take another step. You had some improvement, saw how Ash turned more and more to a woman a man would die for.
Somehow, she always felt a bit flirty and a fun person to have around.

And in ME3? It started in ME2 already - the VS, in our case Ashley, turned more and more into a drama magnet. First the encounter on Horizon. Things got worse in ME3: not only Ash is permanently showing trust issues (which are surprisingly IN character!), but when she gets knocked out by Eva Core, everything following that event is pretty much "drama". Build up through drama. I love it.
The so called "climax" of the first half of the game is the Udina coup. Too bad it pretty much gets deflated by easy-to-convince Ashley in case she was romanced. It felt too easy to convince her ...

And once she's back on the Normandy? Except the drunk scene and the sex before the finale, there's nothing Ashley does. Sure, you still have the memorial scene on the Citadel, and the date, but ... yeah, guess that's it.

Ashley simply feels incomplete to me. Like as if some stuff got cut 'cause BW ran out of time.

[Ashaman X]

CptData wrote...

TERASQUE wrote...

Actually, on my first playthrough, I didnt think of it as lack of dialogue or interaction, I was damn happy to have her back in love. Wasnt until i played a Liara-playthrough that I thought that any romance seemed less developed. But on the first one, i was still happy. Ignorance is bliss it seems

Kinda. Without exaggerating anything, but I think I have an idea how and who Ashley truly is

In ME1, she had something to say something in nearly any situation. Main missions? Ash had an oppinion, and she didn't fear to utter her disapproval or approval whenever Shepard was about to do an important decision.
While not at missions, she still had to say something. After each main mission OR every five side missions the romance take another step. You had some improvement, saw how Ash turned more and more to a woman a man would die for.
Somehow, she always felt a bit flirty and a fun person to have around.

And in ME3? It started in ME2 already - the VS, in our case Ashley, turned more and more into a drama magnet. First the encounter on Horizon. Things got worse in ME3: not only Ash is permanently showing trust issues (which are surprisingly IN character!), but when she gets knocked out by Eva Core, everything following that event is pretty much "drama". Build up through drama. I love it.
The so called "climax" of the first half of the game is the Udina coup. Too bad it pretty much gets deflated by easy-to-convince Ashley in case she was romanced. It felt too easy to convince her ...

And once she's back on the Normandy? Except the drunk scene and the sex before the finale, there's nothing Ashley does. Sure, you still have the memorial scene on the Citadel, and the date, but ... yeah, guess that's it.

Ashley simply feels incomplete to me. Like as if some stuff got cut 'cause BW ran out of time.

I haven't yet played SP, but this sounds about right I feel. In a way, I think ME3 got so large that it got out of BW's control as they tried to wrap up as many plot points and characters as possible. Ash seems to have gotten the short end of the stick in ME3, even though she is a pretty central character. According to stats in ME3 Final Hours app, about 73-75% of people save her on Virmire. Hopefully things can get fleshed out in a DLC, but knowing BW, they will have other things in mind.

[CptData]

Guess we simply should be happy if BW gives us a mission DLC where Ashley has two or three decent lines. I doubt we're going to see a dedicated VS DLC. Although the VS definitely deserves one.

[Helmnath]

my preference would be for an ending dlc to try and fix the endings including one where a LI and Shep can be reunited. After that I would be happy to see some sort of romance dlc with action based missions which could flesh out all the romances esp Ash's and the ME2 choices but I think after the ending dlc/explanation we will probably see something to do with taking back Omega.

[NoirLegend]

Helmnath wrote...

my preference would be for an ending dlc to try and fix the endings including one where a LI and Shep can be reunited. After that I would be happy to see some sort of romance dlc with action based missions which could flesh out all the romances esp Ash's and the ME2 choices but I think after the ending dlc/explanation we will probably see something to do with taking back Omega.

You read my mind.

[Clone 071]

CptData wrote...


Have Shepley!dreams ... (this one seems to be one of Shepard's naked-nightmares)

This is Ash's "Mr. The Priiize" dream. 

[TERASQUE]

^ l o l