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[Sgt Reed 24]

Tali has her own planet full of mission and personal related conversations... so... yeah.

[CptData]

hammyhamstersy wrote...

hahah yeah I'm sure none of us can get enough of Ashley.  I think the problem is that ME3 shifted its focus away from character development but to 'THE WAR WITH REAPERS!'.  Which is understandable given the context of the story.  

Cause honestly I think Shepard and Ash would have soooooo much to talk about given the events of ME2.  Ash would have asked him to tell her everything about his fight with the collectors.  Everything about his time working with Cerberus. Shep would have told her how difficult it was and the sacrifices that were made, but also the wonders that they got see and experience.  Then she would have listened, related and eventually understood his choices and that they were the right ones at the time. Then she would have apologized and told him that she wish she could have been there with him.  And then Shep would say, 'You were' <3  

That's plain wrong. The focus of ME3 -was- indeed on the war, however, we still had plenty of character development: Garrus, Liara, Vega, Traynor, Cortez. They all had their moments, they all were really interesting.

So you simply can't say there was no / little character development.

The VS had some development too - but all happened in the first half of the game, while in the second half the VS ... does not move as a character. Literally for Ash, since she never leaves observatory room. And that's simply disappointing. As I said yesterday, if you substract the romance part, the VS doesn't play a role in the second half of the game. Killing him or her in the Udina event or sending him or her off the ship doesn't change the story at all. 

Sure, we always want more. Even if Ash got Liara treatment we wouldn't be fully satisfied. But at least we would be happy. Right now, it's just disappointing - remember what we said about "worst case"? Ash & Kaidan feel the same and have the same little role after Udina's coup? Seems the worst case had happened. With exception of the romance, Ash & Kaidan are pretty much the same. <_<

[Aurora313]

I brought Ash to Eden Prime, that's as close to a 'personal' mission as you get with her, and even then, its more Liara centric. Ashley got reduced to 'Extra' unfortunately, though I loved her romance I just wish there was more.

[LessThanKate]

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

Tali has her own planet full of mission and personal related conversations... so... yeah.

Granted, but if we count that, then we can also count talking to Ashley on Mars, and at the very beginning in Vancouver to a smaller extent.

Ashley does suffer from being hospitalized for about the first third of the game, I can't deny that, but I don't think there's any one character who always has something new to say whenever you go to them.

[Clone 071]

LessThanKate wrote...

Hmm, if I may...add my two cents.

I finished a femShep playthrough, currently working on my male one who romanced Ashley. With the latter, I'm happy with the interactions so far. With the former, I'm inclined to believe we are...blocked out a bit with characters we don't romance.

I was disappointed I didn't get to have a full fledged conversation with her on the Normandy...but then I remember her interactions were spread out through the game. We talked twice in the hospital, then at the memorial when I supported her and her sister (who honestly looked like she'd sooner pass for my FemShep's sister than her own XD) then there was that time she got drunk, and we talked at the cafe. As opposed to the...two or three full fledged conversation we have with Tali? I invite her up, there's one on the Citadel with that clerk...those are the only two that come to mind that start up cutscenes.

I don't think the Ashley we knew and loved is gone. I refuse to believe that. I try to simply conclude that with the gravity of what's going on, there's simply not enough room for idle chitchat. Plus, at this point, the two know each other pretty well, so there's no need for reintroductions. I think there was just enough to show the Ash I've come to care for is very much in tact.

That said, I did feel there was a...slant against her. I'm really hoping I missed the part where Liara or Garrus says to Shep, "It's good to have Ashley back!" because I only got regards of her return from Joker and he was...not exactly happy, which bummed me out, even considering the circumstances. Is it because of that coup incident that Ashley is isolated? Is it on purpose? I mean, how nice is it that Garrus and Tali get to talk about the good old days--Ashley was there for a chunk of that time, too! Why can't Garrus and Ash talk about their family; they could have bonded over sisters, or with Tali over their fathers. So much wasted potential; it felt like the rest of the crew was making a clique and excluded Ashley.

Now I'm hoping bringing her to more missions will help remedy that situation, but it remains a bit disconcerting. I was thrilled when I brought her on the Geth dreadnought and she and Tali seemed very friendly...although it's tainted by the fact that, if Shepard leaves Ash for Tali, they become extremely hostile, and while Ashley is the instigator, she ends up getting dissed and looking like the bad guy. And for what? For having feelings? For wanting to get things in the open? For being rejected for someone she probably never expected it from? I suppose I should take comfort that it will never ever happen in any playthrough of mine but...that really breaks me heart.  

On a lighter note, I am grateful the game acknowledges the relationship formed in ME1 and my decision to stay true to her. "Ash...it's always been you." Just a little sentence, but I thought it was very sweet.

Indeed, very true and powerful at that.

@Data: Nah, I don't really think Shep's dead in that pic either; rather almost the unconscious VS scene on Mars type deal.

[Sgt Reed 24]

LessThanKate wrote...

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

Tali has her own planet full of mission and personal related conversations... so... yeah.

Granted, but if we count that, then we can also count talking to Ashley on Mars, and at the very beginning in Vancouver to a smaller extent.

Ashley does suffer from being hospitalized for about the first third of the game, I can't deny that, but I don't think there's any one character who always has something new to say whenever you go to them.

I don't mind her being out for that long... it works for the game and it makes sense. What I don't like is the sidelining and basically leaving her out of everything else once she comes back. 

[TERASQUE]

Aurora313 wrote...

Damn it Shepard. Please, just wake up. You promised me. You said we could go home after this, that we'd get it done. It's done now, so please! I'm begging you, Just wake up. Open your eyes, something to let me know youu're still there just -  Goddamn it! I don't want to lose you again... !

                      --- Lieutenant Commander Ashley Williams, 2186

In my headcanon, Shepard is alive here, hes just dozed off. And Ash is comforting him, telling him shes going to take care of him this time. Maybe some tears of joy, showing how happy she is that hes alive... but then again, BioWare has alot to live up to

Modifié par TERASQUE, 26 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[Aurora313]

My headcanon, he survives but barely. Kind of has a Heroic BSOD and retires.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

I brought Ash to Eden Prime, that's as close to a 'personal' mission as you get with her, and even then, its more Liara centric. Ashley got reduced to 'Extra' unfortunately, though I loved her romance I just wish there was more.

Yeah, kinda. I can deal with Liara's involvement here, especially since the Prothean-stuff is her field and reminds us she was an archaelogist a while ago.

Ashley (and guess Kaidan as well) is treated as an extra as soon as you get her back. Guess BW simply didn't had time and/or ideas what to do with the VS. And if you ask me, they simply dislike the VS - or s/he would have been treated far better.

Aurora313 wrote...

My headcanon, he survives but barely. Kind of has a Heroic BSOD and retires.

Exactly.

In my headcanon, Shepard was dead - for four hours or so - but then his heart started to do its job again.
So he -was- dead. But came back after fighting indoctrination.

"A miracle"

Modifié par CptData, 26 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[Sgt Reed 24]

Off topic, but I just realized something... (I'm playing through ME2 right now so I have a Shepard with everyone alive and Ashmancing for ME3) ... is Shiala in ME3? She hints at wanting to see you again in ME2 when you see her! I forgot that I was looking for to that.

[CptData]

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

Off topic, but I just realized something... (I'm playing through ME2 right now so I have a Shepard with everyone alive and Ashmancing for ME3) ... is Shiala in ME3? She hints at wanting to see you again in ME2 when you see her! I forgot that I was looking for to that.

She's reduced to a war asset and I think she also sends you a message.

Besides that, you don't meet her in person.
Emily Wong & Gianna Parasini don't even reappear.

Lets say, BW ignored a lot of characters. That also explains why almost nobody likes Diana Allers - the fans believe she was a waste of resources better spent on existing NPCs.

*catching up*

ADLegend21 wrote...

Don't get me wrong, Ashley being back is great, but there's so many things oyu have to go through. Especially having to AVOID killing on the Citadel and then having the option to tell her she can't come on the ship too. She and Kaidan are the only squadmates you can kill yourself during the game and the only ones you can say "no get off my my ship" to. It's tough.

It's kinda obvious BW simply dislikes the VS. The devs added Ash & Kaidan but reduced the VS to the romance & drama arc. Their characters got damaged since lack of non-romantic interaction. Also their contribution to the story is already not noteworthy in the first half of the game - and gets reduced to none after the Udina event. Let's say, BW either showed us the finger OR ran out of time and money to complete the VS.

I hope for them it's the second case. We all know EA isn't a nice publisher and deadlines are deadlines. <_<
Too bad, the VS and ME2 characters have to suffer 'cause of that.

Modifié par CptData, 26 mars 2012 - 07:21 .

[Aurora313]

She was a waste indeed. I only keep her cause of the warassets. even then, one MP character is work about ... erm... 10 of her I Think. So, there's really no point in keeping her around.

[Sgt Reed 24]

CptData wrote...

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

Off topic, but I just realized something... (I'm playing through ME2 right now so I have a Shepard with everyone alive and Ashmancing for ME3) ... is Shiala in ME3? She hints at wanting to see you again in ME2 when you see her! I forgot that I was looking for to that.

She's reduced to a war asset and I think she also sends you a message.

Besides that, you don't meet her in person.
Emily Wong & Gianna Parasini don't even reappear.

Lets say, BW ignored a lot of characters. That also explains why almost nobody likes Diana Allers - the fans believe she was a waste of resources better spent on existing NPCs.

*catching up*

ADLegend21 wrote...

Don't get me wrong, Ashley being back
is great, but there's so many things oyu have to go through. Especially
having to AVOID killing on the Citadel and then having the option to
tell her she can't come on the ship too. She and Kaidan are the only
squadmates you can kill yourself during the game and the only ones you
can say "no get off my my ship" to. It's tough.

It's kinda obvious BW simply dislikes the VS. The devs added Ash & Kaidan but reduced the VS to the romance & drama arc. Their characters got damaged since lack of non-romantic interaction. Also their contribution to the story is already not noteworthy in the first half of the game - and gets reduced to none after the Udina event. Let's say, BW either showed us the finger OR ran out of time and money to complete the VS.

I hope for them it's the second case. We all know EA isn't a nice publisher and deadlines are deadlines. <_<
Too bad, the VS and ME2 characters have to suffer 'cause of that.

Dammit!

Well, can't say that I'm upset by not seeing Emily Wong reappear... didn't like her...

but I LOVED Gianna and Shiala! MORE MISSED OPPORTUNITIES FOR AWESOME! 

[Aurora313]

Wong died in the intial attack. Rammed her car into a Reaper.

[Sgt Reed 24]

They shoulda had Niftu Cal as a war asset in ME3. lmao

[Aurora313]

Sure, the biotic 'god'. Hehe. Poor little ******.

[CptData]

Must say, Vega & Traynor are great additions to the team, same for Javik.

However, the lack of screentime for the VS is more than disappointing. Seriously, why do ppl claim the VS had "enough" screentime? Technically, s/he only has (guaranteed) screentime in the Mars mission. Everything beyond that point can be ignored: neither do you need to visit him/her at the hospital nor do you need to keep the VS alive / get him/her back on board of the Normandy.

So technically, if you really send the VS away or kill him/her, s/he has the same amount of screentime like Jack, Miranda, Jacob or Thane.

If you KEEP the VS, then it's only for the romance arc. Outside of said arc, the VS has no screentime (read: no convos & interaction). Even the influence on the missions is reduced to none. I can say, the VS has the same amount of screen time like Miranda or Jack in worst case - and doesn't get much more screentime if kept and romanced.

Basically, BW showed us how to sideline a character without removing it.

OMG_youFail_at_DLC wrote...

They shoulda had Niftu Cal as a war asset in ME3. lmao

That idea isn't that weird as it sounds first: even Conrad Verner becomes a war asset :happy:

Modifié par CptData, 26 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[Aurora313]

Yeah, Conrad... gez. Take about an out-of-nowhere badass... He'd got a PhD for god's sake... O.o I did not see that coming.

Don't think Shepard did either...

[Sgt Reed 24]

Aurora313 wrote...

Yeah, Conrad... gez. Take about an out-of-nowhere badass... He'd got a PhD for god's sake... O.o I did not see that coming.

Don't think Shepard did either...

He did?

In my game he dove in front of a bullet and died for my Shepard. Asking if he finally helped out...

[Aurora313]

If you did the Jenna mission in ME1, then he'll live. But before fixing he Omni-Gel things, speak to Conrad, he'll say he's written a disertation on darkmatter and you finally get to use some of the useles things you collected in 1 - IE the Asari writings, special weapons licence and so on.

[CptData]

Aurora313 wrote...

If you did the Jenna mission in ME1, then he'll live. But before fixing he Omni-Gel things, speak to Conrad, he'll say he's written a disertation on darkmatter and you finally get to use some of the useles things you collected in 1 - IE the Asari writings, special weapons licence and so on.

It's not really worth the effort to collect all that stuff since it scores only 5 points or something. But it's a nice touch - would say, it almost qualifies as an easteregg. Plus: Conrad Verner appears to be NOT entirely useless. And actually, he's also quite smart - 'though an escapist that loves to pretend being one of Shepard's squadmates.

Must say, Conrad Verner is ... like us. An absolute fan, not stupid, but his fanerism makes him looking stupid. So to speak.

That makes me thinking about my involvement with Ash ...

[Sgt Reed 24]

Aurora313 wrote...

If you did the Jenna mission in ME1, then he'll live. But before fixing he Omni-Gel things, speak to Conrad, he'll say he's written a disertation on darkmatter and you finally get to use some of the useles things you collected in 1 - IE the Asari writings, special weapons licence and so on.

The Jenna mission?

[Aurora313]

Its starts off in Flux, a woman is concerned about her sister - Jenna - who's undercover as part of a C-sec op in Chora's Den. All the way back in ME1.

I just think it's hilarious that the first thing Shepard does when they meet again is facepalm saying 'Oh, for the love of god...'.

Modifié par Aurora313, 26 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Sgt Reed 24]

Aurora313 wrote...

Its starts off in Flux, a woman is concerned about her sister - Jenna - who's undercover as part of a C-sec op in Chora's Den. All the way back in ME1.

I just think it's hilarious that the first thing Shepard does when they meet again is facepalm saying 'Oh, for the love of god...'.

Oh right... I remember that one now... but why does that determine if he lives or not? He had nothing to do with that mission...

[Aurora313]

BEcause Jenna hacks and sabotages the gun that's used to kill him. Then the two wonder off and hook up.