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[chujwamdotego]

CptData wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

The best thing in Ashley's romance plot is that it actually feels natural. They had ups and downs, but I always imagined that if the circumstances were right they would just sprint into each others arms.

I may have dreamed about truly romantic ending to the ME 3 with Ash, but now all I want is a 5 sec hug on screen after reapers are dead and Shep is alive. I don't want to cope with tragedy on screen 'cause I play games to feel good, heroic.

Exactly. Their relationship is powered by emotions, so to speak. They're equals, talk like equals, act like equals - Shepard and Ashley act like a perfect team. Think that makes their relationship so incredible tempting. They're not just lovers but also best friends and comrades, which means, they always can speak their mind. If one of the three bonds fail, the other two will prevail - and allow the third one to heal over time.

Must say, however, on Horizon, all three bonds failed. There was a fourth "secret" bond I'd like to call "past love" - which was created in the moment when Ash wrote that letter. And that one was needed to repair the rest of the bonds.
Their love is quite unique and still very authentic: it's not a supernatural love or something.

You really think that was "past love" ? It was just "dormant" love

Ash's reaction - although harsh - was rather natural. Imagine that - after 2 years You meet loved one working with hated corporation. Shep didn't contact her in any way (he couldn't but she had no way of knowing that). In real life that kind of situation might look the same.

Mixture of joy, love, passion, anger may result in strange outburst.

[CptData]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

exactly! That would get all sorts of reactions from her and romancing Shepard. better than the content you get now anyway.

They just dont seem to understand that we love these characters, what we got wasnt enough to quell our curiousity.

Lemme check:

- what did Ash the past two years
- how did she cope with her loss (aka Shepard's death)
- what mission made her to a LC
- her ENTIRE family & home colony
- General Williams
- meeting Hannah Shepard (Spacer background) with Ash
- talk about Ashley's new hair & appearance
- Spectre Ashley - Shepard becomes her mentor
- XO Ashley?
- Random talk about poems, religion, view on aliens, some philosophical stuff
- another date
- drinking contest
- ...

And that's just the short list for stuff I wanted to see in ME3.

[Clone 071]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Another thing they didn't really address was Ashley's promotion to LC in the face of her family's black listing besides the throw away line. tsk tsk.

Yeah, I swear at times it's like we played the "new player" version of the game. (as in some who just jumps into ME3 without playing the previous games) I'm glad the Williams curse has lost its grip, but how is what I'd like to know? Special favors, assignments, brownie points for taking down Saren, what???

It's not only LC promotion. Ash becomes second human spectre. I think that after taking Saren and honourable service family curse might have just worn off.

Becoming the second human Spectre was just political BS. Udina made her that offer and gave her that position so she could protect the Council and Udina while Udina left her in the dark as the coup attempt was plotted. Udina probably predicted Shepard would show up, so he needed a familiar face to confront Shepard. Duty before friendship was how Ash worked, so it was perfect for Udina. Ash, not knowing that Udina was a major pawn in all of this, was doing her duty to protect the Councilors, so when Shepard and Co. came blasting through their escape route with Cerberus behind them, who would she defend: the commander she knew or the politician that she was "sworn to protect"? When the coup was over, she felt naive for trusting Udina because that was the main reason she became a Spectre, so that she'd be a pawn in the coup attempt and not know it.

If it weren't for Udina, I doubt she would've been made a Spectre in-game. Would she deserve it otherwise? Hell yes she would, but political BS is what landed her that position this time around.

[Ashii6]

chujwamdotego wrote...

CptData wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

The best thing in Ashley's romance plot is that it actually feels natural. They had ups and downs, but I always imagined that if the circumstances were right they would just sprint into each others arms.

I may have dreamed about truly romantic ending to the ME 3 with Ash, but now all I want is a 5 sec hug on screen after reapers are dead and Shep is alive. I don't want to cope with tragedy on screen 'cause I play games to feel good, heroic.

Exactly. Their relationship is powered by emotions, so to speak. They're equals, talk like equals, act like equals - Shepard and Ashley act like a perfect team. Think that makes their relationship so incredible tempting. They're not just lovers but also best friends and comrades, which means, they always can speak their mind. If one of the three bonds fail, the other two will prevail - and allow the third one to heal over time.

Must say, however, on Horizon, all three bonds failed. There was a fourth "secret" bond I'd like to call "past love" - which was created in the moment when Ash wrote that letter. And that one was needed to repair the rest of the bonds.
Their love is quite unique and still very authentic: it's not a supernatural love or something.

You really think that was "past love" ? It was just "dormant" love

Ash's reaction - although harsh - was rather natural. Imagine that - after 2 years You meet loved one working with hated corporation. Shep didn't contact her in any way (he couldn't but she had no way of knowing that). In real life that kind of situation might look the same.

Mixture of joy, love, passion, anger may result in strange outburst.

You're right. And unfortunately some people don't understand it. Hell, I think that they don't even try to understand it.

[CptData]

chujwamdotego wrote...
You really think that was "past love" ? It was just "dormant" love

Ash's reaction - although harsh - was rather natural. Imagine that - after 2 years You meet loved one working with hated corporation. Shep didn't contact her in any way (he couldn't but she had no way of knowing that). In real life that kind of situation might look the same.

Mixture of joy, love, passion, anger may result in strange outburst.

Lacked the right word, sorry. And hey, don't tell me that - it's old news, I know that stuff

Shepley-romance is pretty much dominated by passion. Their entire love is passion-driven, all their interactions show a glimpse of lingering longing, so to speak. Their fire is burning -really- hot and they have enough fuel to keep it that way for at least a full lifetime.

[chujwamdotego]

Clone 071 wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Another thing they didn't really address was Ashley's promotion to LC in the face of her family's black listing besides the throw away line. tsk tsk.

Yeah, I swear at times it's like we played the "new player" version of the game. (as in some who just jumps into ME3 without playing the previous games) I'm glad the Williams curse has lost its grip, but how is what I'd like to know? Special favors, assignments, brownie points for taking down Saren, what???

It's not only LC promotion. Ash becomes second human spectre. I think that after taking Saren and honourable service family curse might have just worn off.

Becoming the second human Spectre was just political BS. Udina made her that offer and gave her that position so she could protect the Council and Udina while Udina left her in the dark as the coup attempt was plotted. Udina probably predicted Shepard would show up, so he needed a familiar face to confront Shepard. Duty before friendship was how Ash worked, so it was perfect for Udina. Ash, not knowing that Udina was a major pawn in all of this, was doing her duty to protect the Councilors, so when Shepard and Co. came blasting through their escape route with Cerberus behind them, who would she defend: the commander she knew or the politician that she was "sworn to protect"? When the coup was over, she felt naive for trusting Udina because that was the main reason she became a Spectre, so that she'd be a pawn in the coup attempt and not know it.

If it weren't for Udina, I doubt she would've been made a Spectre in-game. Would she deserve it otherwise? Hell yes she would, but political BS is what landed her that position this time around.

Do You really think Udina's nomination was enough for Ash to get spectre statuts?
I thought that entire Council had to agree on awarding that status.

[CptData]

chujwamdotego wrote...


Do You really think Udina's nomination was enough for Ash to get spectre statuts?
I thought that entire Council had to agree on awarding that status.

Think the Council was okay with Ashley as Spectre - after all, she's one of the Saviors of the Citadel. However, Udina was plotting that stuff and manipulated the other Concilors.

[ADLegend21]

CptData wrote...

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

exactly! That would get all sorts of reactions from her and romancing Shepard. better than the content you get now anyway.

They just dont seem to understand that we love these characters, what we got wasnt enough to quell our curiousity.

Lemme check:

- what did Ash the past two years
- how did she cope with her loss (aka Shepard's death)
- what mission made her to a LC
- her ENTIRE family & home colony
- General Williams
- meeting Hannah Shepard (Spacer background) with Ash
- talk about Ashley's new hair & appearance
- Spectre Ashley - Shepard becomes her mentor
- XO Ashley?
- Random talk about poems, religion, view on aliens, some philosophical stuff
- another date
- drinking contest
- ...

And that's just the short list for stuff I wanted to see in ME3.

-Maybe fighting on Amaterasu and visiting her dads grave post combat.
-Garrus and Tali giving her crap for Horizon and then Ashley giving Tali crap about working with Cerberus and giving Garrus crap about "Archangel" and C-Sec then them getting along afterward.
-Ashley getting to meet ALL of your ME2 crew.
-a mission back to Virmire.

just to add some more things.

[Clone 071]

chujwamdotego wrote...

CptData wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

The best thing in Ashley's romance plot is that it actually feels natural. They had ups and downs, but I always imagined that if the circumstances were right they would just sprint into each others arms.

I may have dreamed about truly romantic ending to the ME 3 with Ash, but now all I want is a 5 sec hug on screen after reapers are dead and Shep is alive. I don't want to cope with tragedy on screen 'cause I play games to feel good, heroic.

Exactly. Their relationship is powered by emotions, so to speak. They're equals, talk like equals, act like equals - Shepard and Ashley act like a perfect team. Think that makes their relationship so incredible tempting. They're not just lovers but also best friends and comrades, which means, they always can speak their mind. If one of the three bonds fail, the other two will prevail - and allow the third one to heal over time.

Must say, however, on Horizon, all three bonds failed. There was a fourth "secret" bond I'd like to call "past love" - which was created in the moment when Ash wrote that letter. And that one was needed to repair the rest of the bonds.
Their love is quite unique and still very authentic: it's not a supernatural love or something.

You really think that was "past love" ? It was just "dormant" love

Ash's reaction - although harsh - was rather natural. Imagine that - after 2 years You meet loved one working with hated corporation. Shep didn't contact her in any way (he couldn't but she had no way of knowing that). In real life that kind of situation might look the same.

Mixture of joy, love, passion, anger may result in strange outburst.

Yeah, and look where that landed them now. Ash completely trusts Shepard, is convinced that Shepard is really the man she knew back in ME1, and a bunch of other good stuff. Helps if you bring Ash with you to Cerberus HQ.

[ADLegend21]

chujwamdotego wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

Clone 071 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Another thing they didn't really address was Ashley's promotion to LC in the face of her family's black listing besides the throw away line. tsk tsk.

Yeah, I swear at times it's like we played the "new player" version of the game. (as in some who just jumps into ME3 without playing the previous games) I'm glad the Williams curse has lost its grip, but how is what I'd like to know? Special favors, assignments, brownie points for taking down Saren, what???

It's not only LC promotion. Ash becomes second human spectre. I think that after taking Saren and honourable service family curse might have just worn off.

Becoming the second human Spectre was just political BS. Udina made her that offer and gave her that position so she could protect the Council and Udina while Udina left her in the dark as the coup attempt was plotted. Udina probably predicted Shepard would show up, so he needed a familiar face to confront Shepard. Duty before friendship was how Ash worked, so it was perfect for Udina. Ash, not knowing that Udina was a major pawn in all of this, was doing her duty to protect the Councilors, so when Shepard and Co. came blasting through their escape route with Cerberus behind them, who would she defend: the commander she knew or the politician that she was "sworn to protect"? When the coup was over, she felt naive for trusting Udina because that was the main reason she became a Spectre, so that she'd be a pawn in the coup attempt and not know it.

If it weren't for Udina, I doubt she would've been made a Spectre in-game. Would she deserve it otherwise? Hell yes she would, but political BS is what landed her that position this time around.

Do You really think Udina's nomination was enough for Ash to get spectre statuts?
I thought that entire Council had to agree on awarding that status.

They do and if Udina is the councilor in ME2 on a human controlle dcouncil he sees Spectre's as a free ticket to go rogue. all four councilors have to vote on Spectre's so they approved Ashley.

[chujwamdotego]

CptData wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...
You really think that was "past love" ? It was just "dormant" love

Ash's reaction - although harsh - was rather natural. Imagine that - after 2 years You meet loved one working with hated corporation. Shep didn't contact her in any way (he couldn't but she had no way of knowing that). In real life that kind of situation might look the same.

Mixture of joy, love, passion, anger may result in strange outburst.

Lacked the right word, sorry. And hey, don't tell me that - it's old news, I know that stuff

Shepley-romance is pretty much dominated by passion. Their entire love is passion-driven, all their interactions show a glimpse of lingering longing, so to speak. Their fire is burning -really- hot and they have enough fuel to keep it that way for at least a full lifetime.

You are of course about their passion, drive, love.

It just hurts me most (or rather pisses me off) that when finally they declared true feelings they had only one night together. No more, no less.

And after that one short kiss in a base in London and Shep dies.

It was truly, beautifully crafted, epic romance... I didn't know if I should just sit in silent awe or throw something heavy in the screen.

[Clone 071]

CptData wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...


Do You really think Udina's nomination was enough for Ash to get spectre statuts?
I thought that entire Council had to agree on awarding that status.

Think the Council was okay with Ashley as Spectre - after all, she's one of the Saviors of the Citadel. However, Udina was plotting that stuff and manipulated the other Concilors.

Bingo, Data! At least until Valern (or the new Salarian councilor) found out.

[CptData]

AMW: you may see it this way: in ME1, the three LIs basically had the same amount of screen time. There was no "perfect" love and none got sidelined. Liara was just one out of three options.

In ME2, new LIs were introduced, but the old three got sidelined. Liara, however, got her own DLC while the VS never saw something like this. At that point, Liara's romance turned out to become more than the "standard romance".

And in ME3, it's obvious: Liara's romance came with a similar amount of screen time like the one for Ash or Kaidan, but has a lot of extra scenes supporting the romance. That's why Liara's romance feels like the "primary" love while Ashley's romance feels like a secondary romance - lack of supporting scenes.

Overall, must say, without Liara's extra scenes, her romance wouldn't be that much different.


Guess that's the most neutral statement I ever did regarding Ash vs Liara romances ^^

Modifié par CptData, 26 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Ashii6]

Offtop, I think we need Ashley's pic here.

[chujwamdotego]

Clone 071 wrote...

Yeah, and look where that landed them now. Ash completely trusts Shepard, is convinced that Shepard is really the man she knew back in ME1, and a bunch of other good stuff. Helps if you bring Ash with you to Cerberus HQ.

I didn't take her to Cerberus HQ.

And now I'm affraid to play the game again. It just cost me too much emotionally.

Maybe after some good ending DLC

[ADLegend21]

her lines at Cerberus HQ are interesting.

[chujwamdotego]

CptData wrote...

And in ME3, it's obvious: Liara's romance came with a similar amount of screen time like the one for Ash or Kaidan, but has a lot of extra scenes supporting the romance. That's why Liara's romance feels like the "primary" love while Ashley's romance feels like a secondary romance - lack of supporting scenes.

Guess that's the most neutral statement I ever did regarding Ash vs Liara romances ^^

Ashley's romance is not secondary!!!

No matter how sweet and kind that cute blue gal is, she will never suit my Shep better.

[MiaNFS]

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[ADLegend21]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

her lines at Cerberus HQ are interesting.

How come ? 

when TIM Tells his people that he won't give Cerberus troops to Shepard for her mission and to find sypathetic faces in the dossiers Ashley goes "Taht son of a **** set you up!" kinda fires you up for killing more Ceberus guys and gals. and I think she's sympathetic when you find out that , if you didn't save grissom academy, Jack get turned into a phantom and you have to kill her.

[ADLegend21]

chujwamdotego wrote...

CptData wrote...

And in ME3, it's obvious: Liara's romance came with a similar amount of screen time like the one for Ash or Kaidan, but has a lot of extra scenes supporting the romance. That's why Liara's romance feels like the "primary" love while Ashley's romance feels like a secondary romance - lack of supporting scenes.

Guess that's the most neutral statement I ever did regarding Ash vs Liara romances ^^

Ashley's romance is not secondary!!!

No matter how sweet and kind that cute blue gal is, she will never suit my Shep better.

It feels liek it when you see her and she says "Kinda busy right now"

damn Ash....