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[CptData]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

Yeah thats practically how i seen it aswell. Well atleast we got to worry over our LI in hospital, nice plot i guess. Makes up for the fact that Liara got "liar of the shadowbroker" i guess.

Freudian? "Liar of the Shadowbroker"

And must say, the hospital stuff doesn't really compensate for the lack of content in ME2. After all, you have Liara with you all time while Ash gets sidelined for half of the game - and when she returns, she gets sidelined for the other half as well.

[chujwamdotego]

ADLegend21 wrote...


It feels liek it when you see her and she says "Kinda busy right now"

damn Ash....

All LI's got those lines. If i remember correctly Liara just says "Hey".

This part of a game is worse than in previuos ME, methinks.

[ADLegend21]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

Ok, going for a sandwich break... be back in 10 mins. 

please keep things like this out of the thread, not sure if you saw, but mods don't like when chat type things get posted in the forums.

also it better be steak since the VS apparently likes steak sandwiches:

[CptData]

chujwamdotego wrote...

CptData wrote...

And in ME3, it's obvious: Liara's romance came with a similar amount of screen time like the one for Ash or Kaidan, but has a lot of extra scenes supporting the romance. That's why Liara's romance feels like the "primary" love while Ashley's romance feels like a secondary romance - lack of supporting scenes.

Guess that's the most neutral statement I ever did regarding Ash vs Liara romances ^^

Ashley's romance is not secondary!!!

No matter how sweet and kind that cute blue gal is, she will never suit my Shep better.

For us, she's Shepard's true love.
Regardless of what Liara does - she's a good friend, but not the one Shepard is longing for.
That's Ashley: real passion.

Mind-sex may be really cool, but guess our Shepard enjoys the real deal. Plus: knowing everything of your partner isn't that tempting. I find it rather boring.  The best partner is one with (positive) secrets. Deep waters and such.

[ADLegend21]

Well "mind sex" isn't always sexual it's exeriencing the other, like when you see Javik the first time you read his memories of the Reaper attack. You can see your partners memories, experience their feelings with yours. That's pretty much what love is when you think about it. It doesn't devalue the other romances but it's pretty damn fantastic.

[chujwamdotego]

CptData wrote...

For us, she's Shepard's true love.
Regardless of what Liara does - she's a good friend, but not the one Shepard is longing for.
That's Ashley: real passion.

Mind-sex may be really cool, but guess our Shepard enjoys the real deal. Plus: knowing everything of your partner isn't that tempting. I find it rather boring.  The best partner is one with (positive) secrets. Deep waters and such.

On some rather personal level Ash portrayed in game reminds my true real-life love :innocent:

God, I wanted this happy-ending so much....

[Hellfire257]

I found Liara to be a bit monotonous personally, but then again I didn't follow her plot arc enough to be a fair judge. 

Modifié par Hellfire257, 26 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

her lines at Cerberus HQ are interesting.

How come ? 

when TIM Tells his people that he won't give Cerberus troops to Shepard for her mission and to find sypathetic faces in the dossiers Ashley goes "Taht son of a **** set you up!" kinda fires you up for killing more Ceberus guys and gals. and I think she's sympathetic when you find out that , if you didn't save grissom academy, Jack get turned into a phantom and you have to kill her.

Oh i see now...thanks for that Legend.

Also, she will be sympathetic and (sort of ) apologise for treating shep the way she did on horizon when you go through the vids of the lazarus project. Quite sweet, really.

[Mr. Brainheart]

CptData wrote...

AMW: you may see it this way: in ME1, the three LIs basically had the same amount of screen time. There was no "perfect" love and none got sidelined. Liara was just one out of three options.

In ME2, new LIs were introduced, but the old three got sidelined. Liara, however, got her own DLC while the VS never saw something like this. At that point, Liara's romance turned out to become more than the "standard romance".

And in ME3, it's obvious: Liara's romance came with a similar amount of screen time like the one for Ash or Kaidan, but has a lot of extra scenes supporting the romance. That's why Liara's romance feels like the "primary" love while Ashley's romance feels like a secondary romance - lack of supporting scenes.

Overall, must say, without Liara's extra scenes, her romance wouldn't be that much different.


Guess that's the most neutral statement I ever did regarding Ash vs Liara romances ^^

I disagree on this, just because Liara gets the most screen time doesn't mean she's the primary romance. Liara gets some of the most content whether you romance her or not, yes. Liara as a good friend works just aswell as Liara as a romance, her friendship path is great. Ashley's on the other hand, not so much, her romance path is much better than her frienship path in ME3 I feel.

Infact I'd say it's more satisfying to romance Ashley and develop a friendship with Liara. Because the romance with Ash was satisfying, the things around it(friendship) weren't. The friendship with Liara was satisfying, just as the romance.


And yeah, taking Ash to the Cerberus base is definitely worth it, it was good to hear the "You're you" line from her, it was kind of a final confirmation of trust between the two of you.


Btw since I don't think YouthCultureForever can post here, I'll take the liberty of posting his dialogueblogs here for anyone craving some more dialogue:
http://social.biowar...603/blog/212187
http://social.biowar...603/blog/212188

[PMC65]

Hey guys ... is this now the bash Liara thread?

[ADLegend21]

PMC65 wrote...

Hey guys ... is this now the bash Liara thread?

Not at all. I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm quite fond of Liara. and have two romaces for her (one of each Gender) plus I think her and Ashley would make a cute couple.

[Clone 071]

ADLegend21 wrote...

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

her lines at Cerberus HQ are interesting.

How come ? 

when TIM Tells his people that he won't give Cerberus troops to Shepard for her mission and to find sypathetic faces in the dossiers Ashley goes "Taht son of a **** set you up!" kinda fires you up for killing more Ceberus guys and gals. and I think she's sympathetic when you find out that , if you didn't save grissom academy, Jack get turned into a phantom and you have to kill her.

Oh, yes, that definitely fired me up when I officially found out that TIM set us up from the beginning. (rubbed me the wrong way from the start) Also, not to mention that when Shepard isn't sure about himself and wonders if he's himself or just a VI that think he's Commander Shepard, I love it when Ash states, "Doesn't matter. You're you." Gave me the impression that she found the man that she loved.
And then there was the part where Shepard and Ash found out that Shepard really died in the Normandy explosion, and both were shocked at that. The impression I got from that is that Ash now believes what Shepard said on Horizon was true. That he was dead and couldn't contact her.
Ah, the secrets revealed at Cerberus HQ with Ash provided some much needed closure between some past gaps.

[chujwamdotego]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Not at all. I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm quite fond of Liara. and have two romaces for her (one of each Gender) plus I think her and Ashley would make a cute couple.

I disagree a bit. Weren't they fighting in ME1 if Shep was leading romance plot with both of them at the same time?

[ADLegend21]

I'm actually glad ashley says "It doens't matter, you're you" to romanced and unromanced Shepard's if only her entire friendship path had that kind of touch to it.

[CptData]

Mr. Brainheart wrote...

I disagree on this, just because Liara gets the most screen time doesn't mean she's the primary romance. Liara gets some of the most content whether you romance her or not, yes. Liara as a good friend works just aswell as Liara as a romance, her friendship path is great. Ashley's on the other hand, not so much, her romance path is much better than her frienship path in ME3 I feel.

Infact I'd say it's more satisfying to romance Ashley and develop a friendship with Liara. Because the romance with Ash was satisfying, the things around it(friendship) weren't. The friendship with Liara was satisfying, just as the romance.


And yeah, taking Ash to the Cerberus base is definitely worth it, it was good to hear the "You're you" line from her, it was kind of a final confirmation of trust between the two of you.


Btw since I don't think YouthCultureForever can post here, I'll take the liberty of posting his dialogueblogs here for anyone craving some more dialogue:
http://social.biowar...603/blog/212187
http://social.biowar...603/blog/212188

Now, your comment makes sense.

Ash feels perfectly satisfying in ME1. So full of passion.
In ME3 it feels ... incomplete. Still very passionate and such, but ... dunno. Something was missing. And it has a lot to do with lack of non-romantic content.

Remember what I said? Ashley's romance feels so great because it works on multiple levels: it's comradeship, deep friendship and love at the same time.

In ME1 you had all three levels.
In ME3, her romance got reduced to the love level - while comradeship is missing (appears a bit in some missions). The friendship path does no longer exist at all.

[Grimez7]

PMC65 wrote...

Hey guys ... is this now the bash Liara thread?

nah, we are just frustrated that Liara gets so much more screen time. I have nothing against Liara though, I love her character as well.

[ADLegend21]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Not at all. I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm quite fond of Liara. and have two romaces for her (one of each Gender) plus I think her and Ashley would make a cute couple.

I disagree a bit. Weren't they fighting in ME1 if Shep was leading romance plot with both of them at the same time?

That was due to Shepard... a very disrespectful Shepard. So really... personally i believe that doesnt count.
Although i know what you mean, Liara hits on Shep alot in ME1 and Ash is defensive... hmm.

^This. it was because Shepard was leading them on. I would imagine it'd bef unny if they both rejected him and got together.

[chujwamdotego]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

That was due to Shepard... a very disrespectful Shepard. So really... personally i believe that doesnt count.
Although i know what you mean, Liara hits on Shep alot in ME1 and Ash is defensive... hmm.

You might be right with that "disrespectful" Shep. The only time I saw this fight was with my renegade Shep

Off-topic:

I'm glad I found this thread Good to talk with You, who have similar warm feelings towards Ash.

[Clone 071]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Not at all. I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm quite fond of Liara. and have two romaces for her (one of each Gender) plus I think her and Ashley would make a cute couple.

I disagree a bit. Weren't they fighting in ME1 if Shep was leading romance plot with both of them at the same time?

That was due to Shepard... a very disrespectful Shepard. So really... personally i believe that doesnt count.
Although i know what you mean, Liara hits on Shep alot in ME1 and Ash is defensive... hmm.

Ah, the one and only love triangle that made me laugh when I suggested a cat fight. 

[ADLegend21]

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

AshleyMadelineWilliams wrote...

chujwamdotego wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Not at all. I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm quite fond of Liara. and have two romaces for her (one of each Gender) plus I think her and Ashley would make a cute couple.

I disagree a bit. Weren't they fighting in ME1 if Shep was leading romance plot with both of them at the same time?

That was due to Shepard... a very disrespectful Shepard. So really... personally i believe that doesnt count.
Although i know what you mean, Liara hits on Shep alot in ME1 and Ash is defensive... hmm.

^This. it was because Shepard was leading them on. I would imagine it'd bef unny if they both rejected him and got together.

 Epic fail for Shepard. Sorry man, cant have them both... and now you cant have them at all 

M. Night: WHAT A TWIST!